The Wonders of the kingdom of God.

[Waiting on him]

Satans light can be visibly observed!

 

[Episkopos]

Satans light can be visibly observed!

Your presumed intimate knowledge of Satan, and his deceptive practices, if in fact you think you know what you are even talking about, is not welcome on this thread. (There is a section on the forum for other religions if you are interested in sharing more of your experiences.) I hope you are just making this up...as a lot of people do on these threads. Just yapping. I hope you are just mouthing off here. Because if you are trying to entice people into deceptive practices then you are only exposing yourself and your own motives.

Who are you really waiting on then?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

This light spoken of is not something observed with the human eye. It is truth revealed by the Holy Spirit, revealing Christ.

2 Corinthians 4:4-6
[4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. [5] For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. [6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

 

[Waiting on him]

For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord;

 

[charity]

1) about those who claim they are in Him even while they walk in their flesh?
2)The verse does not say those who are in Him and that's all (though you earlier wanted to argue the rest was added).
3) It says, those who are in Him (who walk not after the flesh). So the clue that we are in Him should be that we do NOT walk after the flesh or fulfill its lusts.
4) But the lunatics running the asylum say: no condemnation for those who are in Him, even IF they walk after the flesh.

And it's pretty bizarre because at its essence, its saying...God demanded that Israel do righteousness but we have a better deal and don't have to do righteousness. They have been sorely punished but we can do as they did and will not be sorely punished.

The lunatics are running the asylum but they put on a very serious face while they babble insanity and so people think they make complete sense!

Hello @stunnedbygrace,

1) The Lord knows those who are His, and that is all that matters.
2) I stated a fact that I had read concerning Romans 8:1 and it's wording, that does not mean that I wish to argue about it.
3) The verse says, ''There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.' However, yes, that they walk after the flesh and not after the Spirit is evidence of the fact that they are indeed, 'in Christ Jesus'. It will show in their manner of life, for the fruit of the Spirit will be seen in them.

'But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,
.. longsuffering, gentleness, goodness,
.... faith, meekness, temperance:
...... against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh
.. with the affections and lusts.
If we live in the Spirit,
let us also walk in the Spirit.
.. Let us not be desirous of vain glory,
.... provoking one another,
...... envying one another.'
(Galatians5:22-26)

* Your anger and bitterness is coming through stunnedbygrace, what a shame.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Episkopos]

2 Corinthians 4:4-6
[4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. [5] For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. [6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Amen.

1 John 1:7
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I really, really like post #160. For a very different reason than anyone else who liked it, But it was so apt that I have to applaud it!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Hello @stunnedbygrace,

1) The Lord knows those who are His, and that is all that matters.
2) I stated a fact that I had read concerning Romans 8:1 and it's wording, that does not mean that I wish to argue about it.
3) The verse says, ''There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.' However, yes, that they walk after the flesh and not after the Spirit is evidence of the fact that they are indeed, 'in Christ Jesus'. It will show in their manner of life, for the fruit of the Spirit will be seen in them.

'But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,
.. longsuffering, gentleness, goodness,
.... faith, meekness, temperance:
...... against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh
.. with the affections and lusts.
If we live in the Spirit,
let us also walk in the Spirit.
.. Let us not be desirous of vain glory,
.... provoking one another,
...... envying one another.'
(Galatians5:22-26)

* Your anger and bitterness is coming through stunnedbygrace, what a shame.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

No anger and bitterness here. You are hearing jawdropping surprise, not anger. And you will have to hear that same confused amazement here, because you literally just said that to walk after the flesh and not after the Spirit is evidence that a person is walking in the Spirit! You are not hearing bitterness and anger, you are hearing shocked surprise.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

We are told that by being more holy we will enter into this life, and it is said that this is what is meant by, 'walking in the spirit'!!!

That is NEVER NEVER EVER what the man has said. episkopos has NEVER said that.

 

[Episkopos]

1) The Lord knows those who are His, and that is all that matters.

A typical half truth.

Look at what the bible actually says...

2 Tim. 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are his. And, let every one that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

So we have here the dual polarity of the New Covenant. We make void the New Covenant in our case if we don't depart from iniquity.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

That is NEVER NEVER EVER what the man has said. episkopos has NEVER said that.

In fact, the very thought that one must become more holy to enter into Christ is a bit absurd. There are not various degrees of holiness, like, oh man, I wish I could be as holy as you but I'm only a little bit holy right now. That's absurd. No one seeks or strives for a holiness of their own. They seek to be found in Christ, where holiness is.
And in Him is no sin. How have we come to this place where men claim they are holy while sinning, holy in spite of sinning. Why on earth would you insist on such absurdity? It is nonsensical. And where is taking the lower seat in THAT??

 

[VictoryinJesus]

This all sounds so grand and lofty. Since I'm pretty "simple" minded, it kinda makes me feel un-saved? Am I not praying or studying hard enough? Am I too practical? Since I am pretty practical, maybe God will not trust me with this higher walk? And, how does one actually "do it"?

Its like...a man saying, hey guys, I've seen the land God told us to go and take and you're not going to believe it, its beautiful, and the light there is extraordinary, lets press forward to take it!

And then others say, aww, I'm really sad, I thought I was already in everything God had for me, and if I don't already have everything God has for me, I question if I even belong to Him. And then others come in to pat them on the back and say, oh don't listen to that man, little sweeties, he's trying to get you killed, there is nothing more God wants to give you, you have it all, so just fold your hands and sleep for a bit.

SbG, have considered your response of “ and then others come in to pat them on the back and say, oh don’t listen to that man, little sweeties” as it stumped me in considering I would agree that when someone is being convicted of God, should we really pat them on the back. Not saying it is right but in explaining my hesitation here... consider it or not. I’m sure Nancy is probably tired of her response being picked apart and maybe wishes she hadn’t even commented...maybe. But she said something very significant and (IMO) a testimony in itself. Was God convicting Nancy? or another’s position? Notice her words (paraphrasing) gee I’m just not good enough, maybe I need to work harder, rely on self more because I’m failing and always will and maybe God doesn’t see anything in me that deserves to see His light or have more of Him. Or at least that is what I hear Nancy say within her words. Which again (IMO) is teaching or convicting her to NOT rely in the sufficiency of God but her own merit. The opposite of what God says who receives harlots before the righteousness of man. 2 Corinthians 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

If Nancy’s sufficiency is in God then there is no other sufficiency needed but overthrows man’s sufficiency in himself. Where your treasure is ...there your heart is and if that treasure is In heaven then God said it cannot be moth eaten or stolen. If that treasure is in earth...then whose sufficiency is it dependent on? I’ve read Nancy’s responses here...a sister who said she prays and God answers her prayers. How she is dependent on Him. To then be put beneath someone in their saying not many can handle this walk is in saying the sufficiency of God is not good enough to handle the walk but the handling is dependent on man. To say we are in the lower seat but then others feel under that seat and need to “be more pleasing” to God is not a low seat but a high one. Even Paul was given a thorn to keep Paul from being exalted. Even when He had been shown things it would be unlawful(against God and neighbour) to be uttered. Conviction of God...between a person and Him is one thing and no we should not pat that person on the back when God is revealing to them. But all this talk of man reaching “higher” levels over other men is to say God is a respecter of persons in HIS sufficiency is not for all that trust in Him but for those able to handle it. Again, would advise to be very careful of anything that promotes “maybe God doesn’t see anything in me that deserves more of Him.”

 

[Episkopos]

SbG, have considered your response of “ and then others come in to pat them on the back and say, oh don’t listen to that man, little sweeties” as it stumped me in considering I would agree that when someone is being convicted of God, should we really pat them on the back. Not saying it is right but in explaining my hesitation here... consider it or not. I’m sure Nancy is probably tired of her response being picked apart and maybe wishes she hadn’t even commented...maybe. But she said something very significant and (IMO) a testimony in itself. Was God convicting Nancy? or another’s position? Notice her words (paraphrasing) gee I’m just not good enough, maybe I need to work harder, rely on self more because I’m failing and always will and maybe God doesn’t see anything in me that deserves to see His light or have more of Him. Or at least that is what I hear Nancy say within her words. Which again (IMO) is teaching or convicting her to NOT rely in the sufficiency of God but her own merit. The opposite of what God says who receives harlots before the righteousness of man. 2 Corinthians 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

If Nancy’s sufficiency is in God then there is no other sufficiency needed but overthrows man’s sufficiency in himself. Where your treasure is ...there your heart is and if that treasure is In heaven then God said it cannot be moth eaten or stolen. If that treasure is in earth...then whose sufficiency is it dependent on? I’ve read Nancy’s responses here...a sister who said she prays and God answers her prayers. How she is dependent on Him. To then be put beneath someone in their saying not many can handle this walk is in saying the sufficiency of God is not good enough to handle the walk but the handling is dependent on man. To say we are in the lower seat but then others feel under that seat and need to “be more pleasing” to God is not a low seat but a high one. Even Paul was given a thorn to keep Paul from being exalted. Even when He had been shown things it would be unlawful to be uttered. Conviction of God...between a person and Him is one thing and no we should not pat that person on the back when God is revealing to them. But all this talk of man reaching “higher” levels over other men is to say God is a respecter of persons in HIS sufficiency is not for all that trust in Him but for those able to handle it. Again, would advise to be very careful of anything that promotes “maybe God doesn’t see anything in me that deserves more of Him.”

We can't go changing the truth because it may be taken wrong. Everything can be taken wrong. Every human reasoning seems to make the bible to be at a loss.

So your reasoning is backwards. You aren't even using the bible. You are relying on your own human reasoning to defend the human reasoning of another.

And it was Jesus who said that not many would be able to enter in. I don't think Jesus was worried on how "we would take it."
The truth is not concerned with people's feelings. But people are.


Are we willing to sacrifice the truth for the sake of good feelings? Among many...absolutely. That's why people today can no longer endure sound doctrine. (that's actually written in the bible)

 

[Episkopos]

To then be put beneath someone in their saying not many can handle this walk is in saying the sufficiency of God is not good enough to handle the walk but the handling is dependent on man.

And this is an outright lie of course. You are just exposing the selfish nature of your own beliefs here. Does the truth serve man as you want it to?...or are we to submit to the truth...as uncomfortable as that may sound? Read the bible for yourself. And try actually quoting what is written therein. You will find all your opinions are just that....human reasoning based on a person feeling good about themselves...at any cost. You have to throw the truth out the window to maintain the priority of feeling good about yourself.

There are plenty of self-help books out there that puff up the outer man. The bible is NOT one of them.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

We can't go changing the truth because it may be taken wrong. Everything can be taken wrong. Every human reasoning seems to make the bible to be at a loss.

So your reasoning is backwards. You aren't even using the bible. You are relying on your own human reasoning to defend the human reasoning of another.

And it was Jesus who said that not many would be able to enter in. I don't think Jesus was worried on how "we would take it."
The truth is not concerned with people's feelings. But people are.


Are we willing to sacrifice the truth for the sake of good feelings? Among many...absolutely. That's why people today can no longer endure sound doctrine. (that's actually written in the bible)

Enter into His rest. God is sufficient. What I heard Nancy acknowledge is there is no sufficiency in her. And I don’t have to defend myself against you. What is not of God comes to nothing. What is of God does not. Including within me. Including within you. He gets the victory either way, Episkopos. We both get what we desire, yeah? His furtherance.

 

[Episkopos]

As long as people are seeking to save themselves...rather than to lose their lives as Jesus counsels us to do...people will miss out on the wonders of the kingdom. Instead these will remain in the wonders of this world or the wonders of the flesh.

You can't have it both ways. Notice what Jesus said...

Mark 8:32 And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him.
33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.
34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

 

[Nancy]

SbG, have considered your response of “ and then others come in to pat them on the back and say, oh don’t listen to that man, little sweeties” as it stumped me in considering I would agree that when someone is being convicted of God, should we really pat them on the back. Not saying it is right but in explaining my hesitation here... consider it or not. I’m sure Nancy is probably tired of her response being picked apart and maybe wishes she hadn’t even commented...maybe. But she said something very significant and (IMO) a testimony in itself. Was God convicting Nancy? or another’s position? Notice her words (paraphrasing) gee I’m just not good enough, maybe I need to work harder, rely on self more because I’m failing and always will and maybe God doesn’t see anything in me that deserves to see His light or have more of Him. Or at least that is what I hear Nancy say within her words. Which again (IMO) is teaching or convicting her to NOT rely in the sufficiency of God but her own merit. The opposite of what God says who receives harlots before the righteousness of man. 2 Corinthians 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

If Nancy’s sufficiency is in God then there is no other sufficiency needed but overthrows man’s sufficiency in himself. Where your treasure is ...there your heart is and if that treasure is In heaven then God said it cannot be moth eaten or stolen. If that treasure is in earth...then whose sufficiency is it dependent on? I’ve read Nancy’s responses here...a sister who said she prays and God answers her prayers. How she is dependent on Him. To then be put beneath someone in their saying not many can handle this walk is in saying the sufficiency of God is not good enough to handle the walk but the handling is dependent on man. To say we are in the lower seat but then others feel under that seat and need to “be more pleasing” to God is not a low seat but a high one. Even Paul was given a thorn to keep Paul from being exalted. Even when He had been shown things it would be unlawful(against God and neighbour) to be uttered. Conviction of God...between a person and Him is one thing and no we should not pat that person on the back when God is revealing to them. But all this talk of man reaching “higher” levels over other men is to say God is a respecter of persons in HIS sufficiency is not for all that trust in Him but for those able to handle it. Again, would advise to be very careful of anything that promotes “maybe God doesn’t see anything in me that deserves more of Him.”

"... and maybe wishes she hadn’t even commented..."
Hi Victory,
You are a kind lady. And yes, I do regret posting in here, it was a tough day and Satan barraged me with doubt and I kind of panicked.
And for any others on here, I do not need a pat on the back but, like all of us, a little edification and clarification can lift our spirits. Knowing that we do NOT walk by the flesh and DO walk by the Spirit should be where we all are...bottom line here is that, I will agree to disagree and still seek fellowship with some who think differently. Discernment is the one thing I had started to pray for years ago and I do not think a day goes by that same prayer is lifted to Him. Yes, I DO pray, and yes He DOES answer every one of them as, I've learned to pray His will in all things.
Some are still on milk, some are on the meat and then, some are sucking the marrow from the bones, lol. Please do not think I am looking for some kind of recognition for myself as that is not the case, I pray for Truth in all things, I pray His Spirit fill me to the fullest, and ask for His guidance before I even get out of bed in the morning.
Why can we not just plain agree to disagree, and be graceful and kind to one another on here? I remember one time you were going to leave this forum and it broke my heart as I can sense your gentle spirit through your words. Thank you Vic.
In His Name,
nancy

 

[Episkopos]

Enter into His rest. God is sufficient. What I heard Nancy acknowledge is there is no sufficiency in her. And I don’t have to defend myself against you. What is not of God comes to nothing. What is of God does not. Including within me. Including within you. He gets the victory either way, Episkopos. We both get what we desire, yeah? His furtherance.

Your conjecture just muddies the water here. You are being obscure and seem to be encouraging the flesh. Since you only use your own quotes and nothing biblical...the shades of meaning seem to be going the wrong way.

What does that even mean...He gets the victory either way??? That is as false as can be. Mostly, God's grace is frustrated by people trying to teach something they don't understand.

 

[Episkopos]

"... and maybe wishes she hadn’t even commented..."
Hi Victory,
You are a kind lady. And yes, I do regret posting in here, it was a tough day and Satan barraged me with doubt and I kind of panicked.
And for any others on here, I do not need a pat on the back but, like all of us, a little edification and clarification can lift our spirits. Knowing that we do NOT walk by the flesh and DO walk by the Spirit should be where we all are...bottom line here is that, I will agree to disagree and still seek fellowship with some who think differently. Discernment is the one thing I had started to pray for years ago and I do not think a day goes by that same prayer is lifted to Him. Yes, I DO pray, and yes He DOES answer every one of them as, I've learned to pray His will in all things.
Some are still on milk, some are on the meat and then, some are sucking the marrow from the bones, lol. Please do not think I am looking for some kind of recognition for myself as that is not the case, I pray for Truth in all things, I pray His Spirit fill me to the fullest, and ask for His guidance before I even get out of bed in the morning.
Why can we not just plain agree to disagree, and be graceful and kind to one another on here? I remember one time you were going to leave this forum and it broke my heart as I can sense your gentle spirit through your words. Thank you Vic.
In His Name,
nancy

I see that your momentary weakness brought out the selfish nature in some on this thread. It exposed the motive as something that makes people feel good about themselves...as in...if you feel bad because of the truth then the problem is with the truth. Or worse yet...somebody who is speaking the truth. Much easier to write off!

As to walking in the Spirit. My concern is that when people claim to be walking in the Spirit...and yet not walking as Jesus walked by a heavenly power without sin...then what is left to seek the Lord for? And this is besides the delusional claims we might make that are displeasing to God in and of themselves. Are we to claim the highest place or the lowest? Is it ever an error to be humble about something? And that can be weighed on the sin of the Pharisees who claimed something spiritual they didn't have...to see.


There would be no need to humble oneself and seek God if we thought we were already walking in what Paul sought for. As if the bible was just a list of things to believe in.

What I see is that people just want a feel good gospel that serves the fleshly outer emotional part of the human mind. Churches cater to this with emotional services. I would say that most people have fallen into that trap...and many are still there. I tried fitting into that mindset but I couldn't. I just wanted to try fitting in at one point. But I couldn't let go of the standard of God in order to just get along with my fellow church servicemen.

But the truth would set us free. To know oneself is to be aware of what we are going after. To realize our lack and go to God with THAT.

If one is walking in the Spirit by just being attentive to the things of God then your claim should be...we are ALL walking in the Spirit. Every single one of us.

And if that is the case then there should be a perfect agreement with everyone seeing we are all in the same miraculous place!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

What does that even mean...He gets the victory either way??? That is as false as can be.

Acts 5:38-39
[38] And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: [39] But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

That is what I mean He gets the victory either way.