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Why should the Pharaoh be different than every other person on the planet?
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That's the dodge I was talking about.I have posted this before, but Calvinists have created themselves a conundrum
Because the Calvinists say so.Why should the Pharaoh be different than every other person on the planet?
That is TOTAL BALONEY. Let's say God already knows that you will try to rob a bank tomorrow. Did He predestine that or was it your own evil plot?If it isn't predestined, then it can't be foreknown.
You won't find that in Scripture. Quite the opposite, starting with Adam.No it is not possible for man to thwart God's intent.
No,not at all.God ordained whatsoever comes to pass. He predestined the elect sheep to be conformed to the image of the Son.If God predetermines ALL that happens then God certainly would be culpable for the sins man commits.
You won't find that in Scripture. Quite the opposite, starting with Adam.
ACTS 7
51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
Both logically and biblically, every Jew should have repented for the remission of sins,received the baptism of John, and believed on Yeshua ha Mashiach (Jesus the Christ). Israel was an ELECT NATION and it was God Himself who elected it. Yet, the record shows that the majority were unbelieving, and therefore God brought judgment upon Israel. You cannot possibly suggest that God planned for them to reject their Messiah. Which means that they resisted the Holy Spirit. Which means they thwarted God's intent.
God is not sadistic
He doesn’t set his children up to fail so they can live a life of pain and misery just so he can murder his son and bring us back into the fold. Jeez he not some volcano god - I treat my dog better than that
He's not. If God can promise some general plan of salvation, he can save each individual as well. Paul says that those whom God foreknew, not some undefined composite of humanity he foreknew.Why should the Pharaoh be different than every other person on the planet?
1. Was it God's intent that all of Israel should be saved? Absolutely.Both they and Israel rebelled against God. They did not thwart His intent.
He's not. If God can promise some general plan of salvation, he can save each individual as well. Paul says that those whom God foreknew, not some undefined composite of humanity he foreknew.
1. Was it God's intent that all of Israel should be saved? Absolutely.
2. Did all Israel get saved? Absolutely not.
Indeed here is what Christ said to Jerusalem -- the heart of Israel:
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! (Mt 23:37).
This is not a question of God reacting, but God allowing men to choose Christ or not. God will have all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4). Indeed God commands all men everywhere to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. But He expects men to either obey the Gospel or disobey the Gospel, since He has given man free will.
Actually your's is a volcano god. He is of your own creation dependent on your good works to your 'fellow man'.
Oh you are nice to your dog? How sweet. Touching, of course. I guess that is supposed to mean something. That you are a good man? You see and serve only the outside. (Pro. 12:10) "A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel."
God is responsible for the death of Christ. Yet you call it murder. But...you love your dog.
Stranger
You’re such a tough guy, Stranger...
You’ve got the whole board quaking
You're such a 'good man'. The whole board is envious.
Stranger
Nah, just you are. But that’s ok.....just give up your racism and reach out to Jesus and you will be golden
KJV Numbers 14Is it possible for sinful or even righteous man to thwart God's declared intent?
After someone pointed out the "ignore" button, I looked through the most annoying responses to my posts and in no time, the triggered trolls were all gone. I just realized with your post that, for the most part, the triggered trolls all seem to post to each other which is why up until this post, I haven't heard a peep from any of them.You’re such a tough guy, Stranger...
You’ve got the whole board quaking
Which of God's word was to be fulfilled by hardening Pharaoh's heart?Did God raise up Pharaoh for the wrong purpose, or was magnifying his own glory a sufficient purpose for raising up Pharaoh? (Romans 9:17)
How is is possible for Pharaoh to have repented and allowed Israel to depart in peace, if he was raised up for this purpose?
God actively hardened Pharaoh's heart that he might judge e.g. "lay his hand upon" Egypt. Could Pharaoh have overcome God's hardening of his heart? How?
Quote:
The king's heart is in the hands of the LORD, as the rivers of water, he turns it whithersoever he will Proverbs 21:1
There is no question that Pharaoh hardened his own heart as is indicated in Ex. 8:15,32. Pharaoh is a responsible moral agent, but this doesn't answer the question of whether or not it was possible for Pharaoh to soften his own heart and repent despite God's will?
If Pharoah had repented of his sins and turned Israel free, how could God's word have been fulfilled?
Is it possible for sinful or even righteous man to thwart God's declared intent?
If he did this to Pharaoh, why wouldn't he do it to the rest of rebellious humanity?