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  1. Waiting on him

    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    I don’t see it that way, I see Him as having orchestrated the crucifixion.
     
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    If you have everyone on ignore, then you won't hear anything. Big revelation that was. I don't care if you put me on ignore. It doesn't stop me from posting when I want to. Just makes you more ignorant. Just means you're afraid. Just means you're position is weak.

    Because you like the ignore button and you like to label others 'trolls', you are nothing but a troll yourself. You are not a Christian. Because the moderation is lax on this forum then you get away with starting silly anti-christian posts all over the forum, which is against forum rules I believe.

    But, you have a friend in 'golden aspen'. Surprise, surprise. Birds of a feather flock together.

    Stranger
     
  3. Ernest T. Bass

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    God foreknew all the choices men would make by sending Christ to earth at the time He did. God foreknew those Jews would choose to reject Christ, that Judas would choose to betray Christ, those Romans would choose to crucify Christ. Therefore God used men's choices to accomplish His will that Christ die for the sins of men. Since God used the choices of men means God had no culpability thus Peter could rightly, justly pin the sin of crucifying the Christ on the "wicked hands" of those Jews and Romans.
     
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    Really like the dog bone and squirrel story, sounds like we could have a lot of fun with him with a bag of bone and a few squirrels, since we know his heart(nature) so well.

    What would you do with him if you had the power to give him a new nature, let’s say reprogram his heart, a new (nature)?
    What would you make his desires to be?
     
  5. Ernest T. Bass

    Ernest T. Bass Well-Known Member

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    If God preordained all that happens, then He does have culpability in all that happens.
     
  6. Waiting on him

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    Do you think man is responsible for changing the desires of his heart? Or do you see this as a sole act of God
     
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    shnarkle Well-Known Member

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    We don't have to. Dogs already want to please their pack leader. They just need training. They just need to have that desire revealed to them.
     
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  8. Ernest T. Bass

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    It was not a parable nor did you provide any proof it was just a parable.





    Nowhere does the Bible explain how providence works. God's hand is in events as they unfold but the Bible does not explain how. The Bible says all things work together for the good to them that love God but the Bible does not explain how God does this. We know God's providential care exists but are unable to comprehend how it works.

    Rom 8 the "whom" god foreknew was the group Christian, then that love God. Anyone can be in this group that choose to obey the gospel and become a Christian.
     
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    GOd does not solely determine for man what man does or what is in man's heart.
     
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    So He doesn’t remove a heart of stone and replace it with a heart of flesh?
     
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    I will cause you to walk in my statutes?
     
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    Cast me into the sea.
     
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    Nope. Christ himself points out that you don't choose him, he chooses you. As I and others have already pointed out, it is God who places the new heart into those who are foreknown and predestined for glory, and it is for one purpose and one purpose alone; i.e. to keep God's commandments. By grace, through the faith of Christ, not your choice or your efforts which have proven to be useless over and over again.
     
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    Would anyone here see choosing to be crucified as illogical?
     
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    Or asking to be thrown out of a perfectly good boat?
     
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    Psalm 19:4-5 KJV
    [4] Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, [5] Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.


    Tecarta Bible
     
  18. shnarkle

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    Not when one has lost their identification with the body. Adam is created to reflect God, but instead chooses to reflect himself. Instead of identifying with his eternal Creator, he identifies with his mortal body of dirt.

    Crucifixion is only viewed as ghastly by those who continue to identify with the flesh, and wish to save and preserve their bodies for eternity. Those who do not wish to save themselves are the ones who are actually saved.
     
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    Good answer!



    I love this guy!
     
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    He was the best rock caster to ever walk the face of the earth
     
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