Conjecture

[Episkopos]

The verdict was guilty.

Why not learn to be wise? Your own notions and opinions will just come back on you. To what purpose are you here on this thread? To add nonsense?

 

[faithfulness]

There are many places that confirm this in scripture. I will give one or two. Paul said something like...one of the gifts the Holy Spirit gives to some men is the ability to know whether a message is from God or is from another Spirit. And in another place, he said he was headed for Some certain place and that he didn't exactly what would happen, but the Holy Spirit kept telling him there would be prison and beatings for him. Other places, the Holy Spirit told them to send 2 men to work for God and either told men to go to a certain place , or, conversely, prevented them from going to a place.

But I guess my main point is that there is a gift given to some men by which they can tell if a message is from God or from another spirit.

So it is not good or right to fail to take notice of this and insist that no man can ever know if another man is speaking by the Spirit.

But someone who doesn't have the gift to know can search scripture to see if a man who preaches fear of God and humility is speaking unscriptural nonsense. Now some men give Epi a very hard time because they do not like to hear that anyone who puts their hand to the plow and turns back is not fit for the kingdom of heaven. They do not like to hear that God has, and can, change His mind. They do not like to Hear that they should fear they could be cut off or disqualified. They don't even like to hear that they are in a race and must run so as to win. And because they don't want to hear these scriptural things, they say he is dangerous and should not be listened to.

But even if a man has not been given the gift to know if a message is from God, he can check the scripture to see if these things are so. He doesn't have to heed another man's warning to not listen. Scripture will show if this message is true that the safest path is to fear God, who can cut off and graft in, and to walk humbly.

As you've said before, SBG: Wow. Just wow. ! Clear as a bell. !

 

[Waiting on him]

Why not learn to be wise? Your own notions and opinions will just come back on you. To what purpose are you here on this thread? To add nonsense?

I likes the whipping!

 

[Waiting on him]

I likes the whipping!

See when you stand in judgement of me, that makes God true, and you a liar. So thanks!!!!

 

[Waiting on him]

See when you stand in judgement of me, that makes God true, and you a liar. So thanks!!!!

So why would Gods overseer be trying to justify me by the deeds of the law?

 

[Waiting on him]

I am justified by the blood of The lamb!!!!!!

 

[Waiting on him]

As you've said before, SBG: Wow. Just wow. ! Clear as a bell. !

Yea! Like a tinkling cymbal.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

This is false. We who are of faith can continue to advance into the truth before judgment. We are not judged (yet). A believer can forsake pride and iniquity and continue to grow. As such our judgment would be more favourable. But they who are judged already are the wicked who resist the truth. They can't advance in their state of rebellion and unbelief.

John 16:11 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

“ is not judged” ...is He not the Father of His children? Is it not God who brings down all lifted pride of men’s great counsel and many doctrines ...stealing God’s words from neighbor, killing and destroying neighbor...Hasn’t it already been judged that the poor, the meek, the humble, the despised, the low...it is the Fathers’ good pleasure to give them kingdom? In this, is not judgement already set against those which do evil, in there is only one way in that narrow way in the lowest submission to Matthew 11:29-30 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. [30] For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.


Isn’t this what God meant when He said they are judged already? To one the children are the fragrance of death in “you must give your life to find Life” or the sweet fragrance of Life in the Son...in : to find Life in the way, the truth, and the light that come into the World already? The low seat being that entrance in and there is only one way there...be as His Son whom God is well pleased. Why the fragrance of death? Because no man in a high position of authority over others wants to hear or see all men’s counsels and doctrines are already come down in the light of the gospel in the face of Jesus Christ who is God’s doctrine and God’s counsel and what IS needed. (John 7: 16-18)

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

James 1:2-4
[2] My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; [3] Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. [4] But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

1 Peter 1:7
[7] That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

1 Peter 4:12-14
[12] Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: [13] But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. [14] If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye ; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.


Hebrews 11:35-36
[35] Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: [36] And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

John 3:19-21
[19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. [20] For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. [21] But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

 

[Stranger]

This is a good start. (Ok you're wrong about the bible giving life of course) But now you need to move beyond reading a book to an interactive walk with God by the Spirit.

Look what the bible says...

Deut. 5:24 And ye said, Behold, the Lord our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.

Baby steps...

Why must you perceive me to be void of the Spirit or immature spiritually just because I see the Bible as the written Word of God? What is the basis of that assumption?

Yes, I see what the Bible says in (Deut 5:24). So what is your point?

Stranger

 

[Waiting on him]

“ is not judged” ...is He not the Father of His children? Is it not God who brings down all lifted pride of men’s great counsel and many doctrines ...stealing God’s words from neighbor, killing and destroying neighbor...Hasn’t it already been judged that the poor, the meek, the humble, the despised, the low...it is the Fathers’ good pleasure to give them kingdom? In this, is not judgement already set against those which do evil, in there is only one way in that narrow way in the lowest submission to Matthew 11:29-30 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. [30] For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.


Isn’t this what God meant when He said they are judged already? To one the children are the fragrance of death in “you must give your life to find Life” or the sweet fragrance of Life in the Son...in : to find Life in the way, the truth, and the light that come into the World already? The low seat being that entrance in and there is only one way there...be as His Son whom God is well pleased. Why the fragrance of death? Because no man in a high position of authority over others wants to hear or see all men’s counsels and doctrines are already come down in the light of the gospel in the face of Jesus Christ who is God’s doctrine and God’s counsel and what IS needed. (John 7: 16-18)

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

James 1:2-4
[2] My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; [3] Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. [4] But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

1 Peter 1:7
[7] That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

1 Peter 4:12-14
[12] Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: [13] But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. [14] If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye ; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.


Hebrews 11:35-36
[35] Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: [36] And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

John 3:19-21
[19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. [20] For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. [21] But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

I likes the reproach!!!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

all this speaking of lifted up of God ...what is it seeking after? Does not the children set the mark low and in His will keep that mark set absolutely low ....set up against all spiritual wickedness set up of the enemy in high place ...in confirming it is coming down to the ground underneath His feet. The children those first to believe. Submission. Face first on the ground (meaning in heart not posture) as the lifted up hate (despise) the thought of getting on the ground and praising He who deserves the praise. Consider the crucifix...it is set...loose your life and you will find Life.

2 Corinthians 10:4-5
[4] (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds. Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

 

[bbyrd009]

we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

now, which is harder, a little profession followed by a celebration at Luby's, or going into a cave for three days? maybe

Is it not God who brings down all lifted pride of men’s great counsel and many doctrines

Who told you that you were naked?

God is not our judge, but has given all judgement to the Son,
Meet John Doe

 

[Waiting on him]

all this speaking of lifted up of God ...what is it seeking after? Does not the children set the mark low and in His will keep that mark set absolutely low ....set up against all spiritual wickedness set up of the enemy in high place ...in confirming it is coming down to the ground underneath His feet. The children those first to believe. Submission. Face first on the ground (meaning in heart not posture) as the lifted up hate (despise) the thought of getting on the ground and praising He who deserves the praise. Consider the crucifix...it is set...loose your life and you will find Life.

2 Corinthians 10:4-5
[4] (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds. Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Romans 3:13-20 KJV
[13] Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: [14] Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: [15] Their feet are swift to shed blood: [16] Destruction and misery are in their ways: [17] And the way of peace have they not known: [18] There is no fear of God before their eyes. [19] Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. [20] Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.


Tecarta BibleSounds like judgement to me.

All the word may become guilty before God?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

now, which is harder, a little profession followed by a celebration at Luby's, or going into a cave for three days? maybe

Didn’t have to go in a cave... it was evident in the reaping what is sown.

 

[bbyrd009]

Didn’t have to go in a cave... it was evident in the reaping what is sown.

maybe, for you, but you dont seem to have the ego issues, so i'm not surprised

 

[Episkopos]

Why must you perceive me to be void of the Spirit or immature spiritually just because I see the Bible as the written Word of God? What is the basis of that assumption?

Yes, I see what the Bible says in (Deut 5:24). So what is your point?

Stranger

For the very reason of me starting this thread...that many cannot perceive that the bible can be taken many different ways...by design...in order to trap men by revealing their true natures which brings them into a worse place by denial...(or after repentance of course into a better place by the Spirit)...since people will make the truth into something evil...as men do. So we get things exactly backwards if we come at the bible from ourselves. Taking the bible at face value...carnally...leads to the inversion of the truth because of a human understanding.

The law ....the written law meant to make men worse. At first. It reveals the problem deep with us...sin.

Rom. 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.


Rom. 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:


If we repent from our own ways and ideas, delusions, avoidance, dishonesty AND denial...we can cry out to God who will hear us if we seek Him wholeheartedly...to give us the grace to overcome ALL sin.

So then God's words make us worse so that we can identify the problem of sin in us. Sin will bring us down to death. Religious sins just get added to our already carnal sins...and if one is honest, makes us twice the son of hell we were before.

Now all that is needed is honesty...as Paul describes in his testimony. How that the words from the bible actually make things worse...they bring death. The letter kills but the Spirit gives life.

But the problem today is that so few want to be honest. They become worse...but just claim peace and safety through avoidance of the warning type verses. They filter out the truth to make a fine appearance in the flesh...rather than be honest and cry out to God for His solution.

So then, many people get the bible all wrong.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

maybe, for you, but you dont seem to have the ego issues, so i'm not surprised

We’ve all had ego issues ‘fitted for destruction’ ...mine was starvation in: I will kill steal and destroy to have and satisfy this hunger. Did a lot of damage to a lot of people. Ate the flesh of my children. Chewed on my on arm.

 

[Waiting on him]

So we are seated in heavenly places?
What flows from the throne that you are seated on, mercy, forgiveness, justification, or wrath?

 

[Episkopos]

Rom. 7:9 For I was alive without the law once:

How many people understand that the bible puts us at a crossroads...to become either a hypocrite or a saint? We can start out innocent before we come to the bible...unless of course we are they who indulge in sin wilfully.

It seems most modern people...who don't believe in a full victory over sin...are forced down the road to hypocrisy by that very denial of victory in Christ. So these don't seek the Lord for the overcoming power of His life of resurrection.

No, they trust in their own understanding by selecting verses from the bible that claim peace and safety.

So unwise.

But the words from God...on a human level...are there to make things WORSE for us (if they are properly understood). A religious bondage is not the best outcome for us...although it is intended to catch the dishonest in a net. God is fashioning both vessels of honour AND of dishonour with us who read about His words. The honest among us will repent and cry out....and be healed.

We are meant to cry out to God for the power (grace) of His Spirit.

Of course it is possible to remain innocent AFTER reading the bible...but then such a person was already given to such innocence (tamim). OR...feared the Lord and embraced humility thus escaping the condemnation of they who claim much...but do lie.

 

[Waiting on him]

We’ve all had ego issues ‘fitted for destruction’ ...mine was starvation in: I will kill steal and destroy to have and satisfy this hunger. Did a lot of damage to a lot of people. Ate the flesh of my children. Chewed on my on arm.

Many here are eating the flesh of Gods children, glorying in it. Just need to be careful we’re not consumed one of another