The Church The Papacy Says You Should Join

[Taken]

The point is, only God knows who is in the elect, and you have no business determining that. Being a sinner does not exclude a person from being in the church, as the parable of the publican clearly shows.
Luke 18:9-14

I don't know how 1st century Christians could, as you say, "rightly divide the word of truth" when the Bible did not yet exist.

The WORD of God has always existed...and been Divided.

Men began WRITING the WORD of God during EXODUS, per Gods Instruction.

The RIGHTLY Dividing of Gods WORD reveals which of Gods WORD APPLIES to WHOM.

Some Men who lack wisdom and understanding and TRY to Apply the WORD of God TO Themselves "AND Others" that "Does Not Apply"...and thus the Teaching...
TO RIGHTLY Divide the WORD of God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Enoch111]

You are operating under OT laws? Do you comply with all of them? Which OT tells us to kill child molesters?

You totally missed the point.

Here is what you said: "Put to death....Is that what your church teaches? Is that what Scripture teaches?"

And I showed you that Scripture does indeed prescribe capital punishment for many sins and crimes. The issue was not whether we are operating under the OT or NT. Many secular criminal laws in the West were based upon OT concepts of justice. The death penalty was in force in the USA in all the states until very recently. And had child molesters been an issue in the OT, they would surely have been put to death.

 

[Taken]

Who are those men the Lord God directed to WRITE with mans pen?

Do you have some names you would like to share?

Mary

EX 17
[14] And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book,

Nun 5
[23] And the priest shall write these curses in a book...
(AARON 1st Priest)

Jugd 5
[14] Out of Ephraim was there a root of them against Amalek; after thee, Benjamin, among thy people; out of Machir came down governors, and out of Zebulun they that handle the pen of the writer.

2Chr 26
[22] Now the rest of the acts of Uzziah, first and last, did Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, write.

Isa 8
[1] Moreover the LORD said unto me, Take thee a great roll, and write in it with a man's pen concerning Maher-shalal-hash-baz.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

You totally missed the point.

Here is what you said: "Put to death....Is that what your church teaches? Is that what Scripture teaches?"

And I showed you that Scripture does indeed prescribe capital punishment for many sins and crimes. The issue was not whether we are operating under the OT or NT. Many secular criminal laws in the West were based upon OT concepts of justice. The death penalty was in force in the USA in all the states until very recently. And had child molesters been an issue in the OT, they would surely have been put to death.

Correct.

Marymog is overlapping OT Law with PRECEPTS.

Laws unfulfilled or They electing to Remain under the Law have Consequences From God.

Precepts are behaviors "between and among men." Unacceptable Behavior...is dealt with...
In numerous WAYS from individuals settling their TO Civil Judges settling the matter.

Child molestation...ie ANY Physical attack between two or more people brought to the light of the public at large and Judicial system, just as in the OT...commands Justice of A penalty be rendered.

Putting a man to death by stoning, poison, animals, hanging, burning, stabbing, bullets, electricity, drugs...is a short list from OT day to Today.

Malefactors Prey upon society and is society under Civil Law that dictates acceptable consequences....and out of whack IMO.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Marymog]

EX 17
[14] And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book,

Nun 5
[23] And the priest shall write these curses in a book...
(AARON 1st Priest)

Jugd 5
[14] Out of Ephraim was there a root of them against Amalek; after thee, Benjamin, among thy people; out of Machir came down governors, and out of Zebulun they that handle the pen of the writer.

2Chr 26
[22] Now the rest of the acts of Uzziah, first and last, did Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, write.

Isa 8
[1] Moreover the LORD said unto me, Take thee a great roll, and write in it with a man's pen concerning Maher-shalal-hash-baz.

Glory to God,
Taken

Ok....those are OT names. Those men's writings were all interpreted differently by different men.

Sooooo what men do you rely on to properly interpret the writers of the NT?

Calvin? Luther? Zwingili? Joseph Smith? William Miller?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

You totally missed the point.

Here is what you said: "Put to death....Is that what your church teaches? Is that what Scripture teaches?"

And I showed you that Scripture does indeed prescribe capital punishment for many sins and crimes. The issue was not whether we are operating under the OT or NT. Many secular criminal laws in the West were based upon OT concepts of justice. The death penalty was in force in the USA in all the states until very recently. And had child molesters been an issue in the OT, they would surely have been put to death.

Hi Enoch,

@Phoneman777 and I are talking about child sex offenders should be put to death. I can't find that in Scripture sooo the FACT is that
you didn't show me that Scripture sooooo would you like to try again?
Patient Mary

 

[Enoch111]

Hi Enoch @Phoneman777 and I are talking about child sex offenders should be put to death. I can't find that in Scripture sooo the FACT is that you didn't show me that Scripture sooooo would you like to try again?

So in other words unless you see "child sex offenders" spelled out in Hebrew and Greek and translated into English you will scoff at that notion?

Well how about this (from Romans 1) which covers ALL sex offenders and perverts?

LESBIANS
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

HOMOSEXUALS
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

PERVERTS OF ALL KINDS
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient* [καθήκοντα (kathēkonta) = improper, unacceptable, ABOMINABLE];
*Strong's Concordance
kathékó: to be proper or fitting
Original Word: καθήκω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: kathékó
Phonetic Spelling: (kath-ay'-ko)
Definition: to be proper or fitting
Usage: I come down, come to; I am unfit, proper

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things [ARE CHILD SEX OFFENDERS INVENTORS OF EVIL THINGS????], disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: [ARE CHILD SEX OFFENDERS WITHOUT NATURAL AFFECTION????]

ALL WORTHY OF DEATH
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Now is *patient Mary* satisfied, or will you continue to reject the Bible as the sole authority in these matters?

 

[Marymog]

So in other words unless you see "child sex offenders" spelled out in Hebrew and Greek and translated into English you will scoff at that notion?

Well how about this (from Romans 1) which covers ALL sex offenders and perverts?

LESBIANS
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

HOMOSEXUALS
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

PERVERTS OF ALL KINDS
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient* [καθήκοντα (kathēkonta) = improper, unacceptable, ABOMINABLE];
*Strong's Concordance
kathékó: to be proper or fitting
Original Word: καθήκω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: kathékó
Phonetic Spelling: (kath-ay'-ko)
Definition: to be proper or fitting
Usage: I come down, come to; I am unfit, proper

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things [ARE CHILD SEX OFFENDERS INVENTORS OF EVIL THINGS????], disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: [ARE CHILD SEX OFFENDERS WITHOUT NATURAL AFFECTION????]

ALL WORTHY OF DEATH
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Now is *patient Mary* satisfied, or will you continue to reject the Bible as the sole authority in these matters?

Hi Enoch,

The homosexual act is NOT the same as child molestation......You do know that....Don't you??? So that FACT nullifies verse 26 and 27.

Verse 29-31 covers EVERY sin so child molestation would be one of them. Do you sincerely believe that gossipers, slanderers and children who are disobedient to parents should be put to death and treated the same as a child molester? Is that how you interpret that passage?

Clearly we need reliable men to PROPERLY interpret Scripture so we can fully understand it......Are you one of those men? It appears to this old gal that you are making YOURSELF the sole authority on these matters.....



Mary

 

[ScottA]

All in the church are not sinners? What are we to make of Romans 3:23?

Who has the authority to decide if they were in error?

Curious Mary

That is two different topics and two different questions.

1) The [actual] church is made of no sinners, as they have passed from death to life. But even among the twelve apostles one was a demon. Likewise, the church has its impostors, wannabes who have entered into the fold but not entered into Christ.

2) It is God who has all authority, He foretold the great apostasy and gave many over to believe a lie...as it is written.

 

[ScottA]

Hi Enoch,

The homosexual act is NOT the same as child molestation......You do know that....Don't you??? So that FACT nullifies verse 26 and 27.

Verse 29-31 covers EVERY sin so child molestation would be one of them. Do you sincerely believe that gossipers, slanderers and children who are disobedient to parents should be put to death and treated the same as a child molester? Is that how you interpret that passage?

Clearly we need reliable men to PROPERLY interpret Scripture so we can fully understand it......Are you one of those men? It appears to this old gal that you are making YOURSELF the sole authority on these matters.....



Mary

No...he has done well to show God as the sole authority in these matters. And yet you by "debate" against the word of God, have named yourself among those whom the word is against. Perhaps you would like to retract. You would do well to stick to debating opinions.

 

[Taken]

Ok....those are OT names. Those men's writings were all interpreted differently by different men.

Sooooo what men do you rely on to properly interpret the writers of the NT?

Calvin? Luther? Zwingili? Joseph Smith? William Miller?

Curious Mary

Sooooo, what you really wanted to know...
Was NOT, about Biblical WRITING...but rather my view on "INTERPRETATION" of Biblical Writing "according TO" particular men... correct?

Inanutshell ~ I trust to believe Biblical "interpretation" of Gods WORD, is specifically given men, BY thee Lord GOD Himself.

Certainly I believe particular men taught the "knowledge" of the WORD of God to other men,
Beginning with Jesus forward TO His chosen Disciples. <--STUDENTS---> and THEY becoming Prepared and appointed ---> TEACHERS, ie Apostles.

And Jesus' TEACHING was for ALL men WHO HEARD or READ Jesus' KNOWLEDGE, and BELIEVED...COULD MAKE A VOW OF BELIEF TO HIM...RECEIVE gifts and blessings FROM HIM...and thus THEY be prepared TO:
ALSO with their mouth REPEAT Gods KNOWLEDGE to other men WILLING to Hear.

You mentioned;
Ignatius, Polycarp, Clement, Calvin, Luther...

And apparently wanted to know, Which of them, who spoke words, do I follow...

NONE.

I have no doubt those particular men were STUDENTS of the Word of God, and heard, and read, and studied the Word of God.

MY DOUBT is VESTING MY BELIEF, "IN" ANOTHER MANS " INTERPRETATION " of the Knowledge of Gods Word.

SOME..have elected to BELIEVE...
Peter personally TAUGHT, Ignatius, Polycarp, Clement....AND "Peter Consecrentated" Clement...

And from history we find...the establishment of the Catholic Church...WHO rely on such Beliefs...of Peter being the chief Apostle, and the Catholic Church establishing a TITLE for Peter, (after his Death or Knowledge), and forwarding his position and TITLE to other men...
"ELECTED" By Catholic "leadership".

Catholics believing...Peter to be THEE First chief Bishop of Rome (postmously, without his knowledge or acceptance of such position)...
And OTHERS (including Clement) accepting the elected position of Bishop of Rome, "supposedly a succession of Chief Leader and Representative Speaker of the WORD of God."
(To which Catholics, are taugh to believe and accept, Every elected Pope, as THEIR Earthly Holy Father).

Personally, Peter AND the other Apostles TAUGHT many men The KNOWLEDGE of the WORD of God...

Not for a SECOND do I believe Jesus Appointed Peter Chief Apostle.

Not for a SECOND do I believe Peter Knew or Accepted the POSITION OR TITLE, of Bishop of Rome or Pope.

Not for a SECOND do I believe Peter Consecreated ANY MAN to Be mankinds EARTHLY Holy Father.

I Do believe, Luther CHALLENGED, teachings of the Catholic Church.

A CHALLENGE is QUESTIONING.

QUESTIONING a Position ABOUT Gods WORD, "SHOULD" be able to BE Reasoned and Verified IN Scripture.

QUESTIONING a Position ABOUT the Interpretation of Gods WORD...is IMO the underlying DISAGREEMENT....between Catholics, and those who PROTEST or OTHERWISE Disagree with a Catholic...
Interpretation...Particularly WHEN a Catholics Interpretation IS ADOPTED, and BELIEVED because it is a Pope's Interpretation of Scripture.

You want to KNOW...WHO'S interpretation I adopt or believe or follow...of any other man?

NONE.

Much of what Catholics TEACH...I DO NOT FIND TAUGHT IN SCRIPTURE.

Much of what Catholics INTERPRET...I DO NOT AGREE WITH.

Some of what I have Heard Protestants TEACH...I DO NOT FIND IN SCRIPTURE.

Some of what I have Heard Protestants INTERPRET....I DO NOT AGREE WITH.

I agree WITH Scripture, that it is ALL TRUE.

I do not Believe ALL Scripture APPLIES to ALL Men.

What I choose to Hear/Read/Study...and want to UNDERSTAND, what the Words MEAN ACCORDING TO GOD....I ASK Thee Lord God for that Understanding, and TRUST He is Faithful to GIVE to me, what I seek and ask for.

So, no, I am not influenced to BELIEVE or ADOPT...the MEANING, INTERPRETATION, UNDERSTANDING "OF" Gods Word of Knowledge....VIA OTHER MEN.

Thee Lord God Himself is more than Sufficient to Provide His meaning, interpretation, understanding of His OWN Word...TO ME.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Phoneman777]

You don't even know your own Christian history...do you?

They were united in denying 1,500 years of SOME of The Churches' teachings (they agreed with some of it also) but they even called each other heretic's soooooo your revision of history is baffling.....to say the least.

If "The Papacy is the Antichrist/Man of Sin/First Beast of Revelation 13/Little Horn/Woman riding the Beast of Revelation" then why did Calvin, Luther and other men that live today adhere to some of the teachings of The Church?

Curious Mary

What I've stated is factual history. Protestantism once stood firm against the papacy upon those great Twin Pillars of Truth:
1) Ephesians 2:8-10

2) What Charles Spurgeon so eloquently summed up: "It is the bounden duty of every Christian to pray against Antichrist and as to what Antichrist is, no sane man ought to raise the question. If it be not the popery in the church of Rome, there is nothing in the world that can be called by that name."

This was what the whole of Protestantism believed for over 300 years before non-Catholics lost their minds and began looking for the Jesuit Preterist or Jesuit Futurist Antichrists which the papacy claims did come in the beginning of Christian history or will come at the close of Christian history. I wish it all weren't so, but unfortunately it is.

 

[Phoneman777]

Put to death....Is that what your church teaches?

Is that what Scripture teaches?

Curious Mary

Yes, put to death. Does not your New Testament tell you the minister of justice "bears not the sword in vain"?

If non-believers are going to refuse to allow the Holy Spirit to transform them from law breakers to law keepers, then something must be instituted to keep evil in check, lest the neo-Antediluvian era arrive before its time.

 

[Marymog]

Sooooo, what you really wanted to know...
Was NOT, about Biblical WRITING...but rather my view on "INTERPRETATION" of Biblical Writing "according TO" particular men... correct?

Inanutshell ~ I trust to believe Biblical "interpretation" of Gods WORD, is specifically given men, BY thee Lord GOD Himself.

Certainly I believe particular men taught the "knowledge" of the WORD of God to other men,
Beginning with Jesus forward TO His chosen Disciples. <--STUDENTS---> and THEY becoming Prepared and appointed ---> TEACHERS, ie Apostles.

And Jesus' TEACHING was for ALL men WHO HEARD or READ Jesus' KNOWLEDGE, and BELIEVED...COULD MAKE A VOW OF BELIEF TO HIM...RECEIVE gifts and blessings FROM HIM...and thus THEY be prepared TO:
ALSO with their mouth REPEAT Gods KNOWLEDGE to other men WILLING to Hear.

You mentioned;
Ignatius, Polycarp, Clement, Calvin, Luther...

And apparently wanted to know, Which of them, who spoke words, do I follow...

NONE.

I have no doubt those particular men were STUDENTS of the Word of God, and heard, and read, and studied the Word of God.

MY DOUBT is VESTING MY BELIEF, "IN" ANOTHER MANS " INTERPRETATION " of the Knowledge of Gods Word.

SOME..have elected to BELIEVE...
Peter personally TAUGHT, Ignatius, Polycarp, Clement....AND "Peter Consecrentated" Clement...

And from history we find...the establishment of the Catholic Church...WHO rely on such Beliefs...of Peter being the chief Apostle, and the Catholic Church establishing a TITLE for Peter, (after his Death or Knowledge), and forwarding his position and TITLE to other men...
"ELECTED" By Catholic "leadership".

Catholics believing...Peter to be THEE First chief Bishop of Rome (postmously, without his knowledge or acceptance of such position)...
And OTHERS (including Clement) accepting the elected position of Bishop of Rome, "supposedly a succession of Chief Leader and Representative Speaker of the WORD of God."
(To which Catholics, are taugh to believe and accept, Every elected Pope, as THEIR Earthly Holy Father).

Personally, Peter AND the other Apostles TAUGHT many men The KNOWLEDGE of the WORD of God...

Not for a SECOND do I believe Jesus Appointed Peter Chief Apostle.

Not for a SECOND do I believe Peter Knew or Accepted the POSITION OR TITLE, of Bishop of Rome or Pope.

Not for a SECOND do I believe Peter Consecreated ANY MAN to Be mankinds EARTHLY Holy Father.

I Do believe, Luther CHALLENGED, teachings of the Catholic Church.

A CHALLENGE is QUESTIONING.

QUESTIONING a Position ABOUT Gods WORD, "SHOULD" be able to BE Reasoned and Verified IN Scripture.

QUESTIONING a Position ABOUT the Interpretation of Gods WORD...is IMO the underlying DISAGREEMENT....between Catholics, and those who PROTEST or OTHERWISE Disagree with a Catholic...
Interpretation...Particularly WHEN a Catholics Interpretation IS ADOPTED, and BELIEVED because it is a Pope's Interpretation of Scripture.

You want to KNOW...WHO'S interpretation I adopt or believe or follow...of any other man?

NONE.

Much of what Catholics TEACH...I DO NOT FIND TAUGHT IN SCRIPTURE.

Much of what Catholics INTERPRET...I DO NOT AGREE WITH.

Some of what I have Heard Protestants TEACH...I DO NOT FIND IN SCRIPTURE.

Some of what I have Heard Protestants INTERPRET....I DO NOT AGREE WITH.

I agree WITH Scripture, that it is ALL TRUE.

I do not Believe ALL Scripture APPLIES to ALL Men.

What I choose to Hear/Read/Study...and want to UNDERSTAND, what the Words MEAN ACCORDING TO GOD....I ASK Thee Lord God for that Understanding, and TRUST He is Faithful to GIVE to me, what I seek and ask for.

So, no, I am not influenced to BELIEVE or ADOPT...the MEANING, INTERPRETATION, UNDERSTANDING "OF" Gods Word of Knowledge....VIA OTHER MEN.

Thee Lord God Himself is more than Sufficient to Provide His meaning, interpretation, understanding of His OWN Word...TO ME.

Glory to God,
Taken

hi Taken,

Sooooo to summarize your post: You believe what you think and write (your interpretation of Scripture). You don't believe what other men think and write.

Hmmmmm........fascinating!!!

 

[Marymog]

Yes, put to death. Does not your New Testament tell you the minister of justice "bears not the sword in vain"?

If non-believers are going to refuse to allow the Holy Spirit to transform them from law breakers to law keepers, then something must be instituted to keep evil in check, lest the neo-Antediluvian era arrive before its time.

It is my understanding that you are an SDA?

Can you quote from your church teachings that they are to be put to death? I can't find it here: Beliefs :: The Official Site of the Seventh-day Adventist world church

Patient Mary

 

[Marymog]

What I've stated is factual history. Protestantism once stood firm against the papacy upon those great Twin Pillars of Truth:
1) Ephesians 2:8-10

2) What Charles Spurgeon so eloquently summed up: "It is the bounden duty of every Christian to pray against Antichrist and as to what Antichrist is, no sane man ought to raise the question. If it be not the popery in the church of Rome, there is nothing in the world that can be called by that name."

This was what the whole of Protestantism believed for over 300 years before non-Catholics lost their minds and began looking for the Jesuit Preterist or Jesuit Futurist Antichrists which the papacy claims did come in the beginning of Christian history or will come at the close of Christian history. I wish it all weren't so, but unfortunately it is.

Hi Phoneman,

Wow....I sincerely don't know what to say. Your inability to answer a question, revision of history and twisting of Scripture is astounding.

It is my understanding you adhere to the SDA's beliefs?

If I was to quote someone who said that the SDA teaching was of the Antichrist would that person that I quoted be accurate?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

That is two different topics and two different questions.

1) The [actual] church is made of no sinners, as they have passed from death to life. But even among the twelve apostles one was a demon. Likewise, the church has its impostors, wannabes who have entered into the fold but not entered into Christ.

2) It is God who has all authority, He foretold the great apostasy and gave many over to believe a lie...as it is written.

1) The "actual church is made of no sinners" but "the church has its impostors, wannabes.."???

That makes ZERO sense......

2) God has all authority? Soooo Matthew 18:18 is a lie? What about the elders who rule (1 Timothy 5:17)? Do they have authority?

Curious Mary

 

[ScottA]

1) The "actual church is made of no sinners" but "the church has its impostors, wannabes.."???

That makes ZERO sense......

No, it makes the same sense as the comparable circumstance that I quoted of Jesus choosing the twelve, yet one of them was a demon.

The point is, there are those among the church who are not sinners, and there are those who are; some who have pasted from death to life; and some who perhaps would like to pass from death to life, but have not; some who walk in the Light, and some who still walk in darkness; some who walk in the Spirit, and some who walk in the flesh; some who are of the kingdom of God, and some who are of the world.

Therefore, Christ will (and is already) dividing the sheep from the goats, and turns away those He never knew."For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."

It makes sense.

2) God has all authority? Soooo Matthew 18:18 is a lie? What about the elders who rule (1 Timothy 5:17)? Do they have authority?

Curious Mary

Romans 13:1
"For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God."

But do not be so convinced of the holiness of the church leaders, for they are not better than the priests and elders of Israel, but worse.

 

[Marymog]

No, it makes the same sense as the comparable circumstance that I quoted of Jesus choosing the twelve, yet one of them was a demon.

The point is, there are those among the church who are not sinners, and there are those who are; some who have pasted from death to life; and some who perhaps would like to pass from death to life, but have not; some who walk in the Light, and some who still walk in darkness; some who walk in the Spirit, and some who walk in the flesh; some who are of the kingdom of God, and some who are of the world.

Therefore, Christ will (and is already) dividing the sheep from the goats, and turns away those He never knew."For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."

It makes sense.

Romans 13:1
"For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God."

But do not be so convinced of the holiness of the church leaders, for they are not better than the priests and elders of Israel, but worse.

You are saying two different things......There are sinners in the church but there aren't sinners in the church....Totally confusing....

You also said God has all authority but then quote Scripture that says the authorities that exist are appointed by God which is opposite of what you are saying. Scripture makes it clear that God appoints his authority to men which backs up Scripture that I quoted (Matthew 18 and 1 Timothy) and what you quoted (Romans 13). Once again you are saying two different things.

Soooo who are these authorities that are appointed by God?

Curious Mary

 

[ScottA]

You are saying two different things......There are sinners in the church but there aren't sinners in the church....Totally confusing....

That is why I quote Jesus saying it too, and referred to the scriptures saying the same thing multiple ways. Don't take it from me if you don't want to, but I am just repeating the truth--take it from the scriptures. Don't be confused, be convinced.

You also said God has all authority but then quote Scripture that says the authorities that exist are appointed by God which is opposite of what you are saying. Scripture makes it clear that God appoints his authority to men which backs up Scripture that I quoted (Matthew 18 and 1 Timothy) and what you quoted (Romans 13). Once again you are saying two different things.

Soooo who are these authorities that are appointed by God?

Curious Mary

It is not opposite, but states clearly what I said: " It is God who has all authority." If He appoints His authority, it is still His; and just as even Jesus did not claim authority as His own, no one can claim any authority as their own.