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Boy - Joseph Goebbels had NOTHING on you SDAs when it comes to fabricating history.
Time for a Bible lesson . . .

First of all - NOWHERE does the Bible tell is that the Bible is our "Sole creed" or "Sole bond of union".
This is a doctrine and precept of MEN in the 16th century - and you know what Jesus said about the doctrines and precepts of men that try to usurp the Word of God (Matt. 15:9).

No - the Bible itself tells us that Christ's CHURCH is our final Authority on earth (Matt. 16:18-19. Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

Now - as to the quote from the St. Catherine Catholic Church Sentinel, May 21, 1995 - this is an OPINION, not a Church teaching. YOUR problem is that you never do your homework. Instead, you post secondary sources and hearsay as your "evidence".

Finally, as to the Sabbath - we learn from Scripture that the NT Church gathered on FIRST day of the week - the "Lord's Day" - Sunday (Acts 20:7, 1 Cor. 16:2, Rev. 1:10).

This is what Paul wrote - under the inspiration of the HOLY SPIRIT - about people like you SDAs who judge people on the basis of Sunday worship:
Col 2:16-17
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a SABBATH day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in CHRIST.

Your arguments are petty and un-scriptural . . .

 

I just love it when RCCers use Scripture in their attempt to refute Sola Scriptura. Self defeating.

 

I see cats, pigeons, worms escaping, and a spotty fan. Gotta love it.

 

And I love it when ignorant anti-Catholics accuse Catholics of things without providing any proof.

Show me where Scripture supports Sola Scriptura.
Chapter and Verse, please . . .

 

You can stick to the topic without getting hot under the collar...

2 Timothy 3:15-17 NASBS
[15] and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. [16] All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; [17] so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

 

Yes, you keep regurgitating this nonsense - but so far have FAILED to provide me with even ONE example, Einstein . . .

And this is yet another of your big fat SDA LIES.

NOWHERE does the Church place Tradition ABOVE Scripture.
I openly challenge you to provide me with ONE official teaching from the Catholic Church that states a Tradition is "higher" than the Word of God.

WRONG.

The Bible clearly states that His CHURCH has the FINAL earthly Authority (Matt. 16:18-19. Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

Jesus stated repeatedly that WHATEVER the Church ordained on earth would also be ordained in Heaven.
I suggest you R*E*A*D those verses, Einstein . . .

Face it - you got BUSTED again using secondary sources and hearsay as "evidence" and it angers you.
Grow up Phoneyman - and do your homework . . .

 

This speaks to the importance of Scripture and that it is PROFITABLE.
NOWHERE does it say that it is our SOLE Authority.

Try again . . .

 

Yes, it's so important that it's sufficient...
2 Timothy 3:16-17 NASBS
[16] All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; [17] so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

What else is needed? After all, it is God's Word in written form.

 

The Bible is the WRITTEN Word of God. It does not encompass the ENTIRE word of God.

John said that if everything had been written about what Jesus did and said – the world couldn’t contain the books written about it (John 21:25). And you can quote 2 Tim. 2:16-17 all day long – and it STILL won’t say what you are trying to make it say. Namely, that the Scriptures are our SOLE Authority.

This is a foolish notion that would condemn to hell countless people in the first few hundred years of the Church who didn’t have the Bible. There were DOZENS of other Books and writings that were considered to be “Scripture” before the Church declared the Canon in the 4th century. Some of these include the Epistles of Barnabas, the Shepherd of Hermas, The Protoevangeium of James, the Gospel of Peter, etc. And NOT exposed teverybody waso every Letter – so HOW could they be their “sole” Authority”?

While the Scriptures ARE spoken of as being Authoritative - the CHURCH is the ONLY entity spoken of in the NT as the final Authority on earth (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23, Acts 15:28).

 

Sure, but it encompasses that which God has chosen to reveal to mankind.

Sole authority are your words, not mine. I would say Scripture is the Ultimate Authority in Ecclesiastical/Soteriological/Eschatological etc. matters. So if there is a contention, the Scriptures are the authority to look to.

Again sole authority are your words, I had said sufficient. Is word twisting what your denomination teaches you?
Before the Jewish New Testament, they had the Jewish Old Testament the exact Scriptures 2Tim 3:15 is referring to...

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
The Jews had their Canon long before us Johnny-Come-Latelys showed up lol.

Again while using Scripture to prove the importance of the Church while simultaneously downplaying Scripture as our highest authority only shoots yourself in the foot.

Without Scripture you can't make a case, so your argument falls flat on it's face.

 

Well 2 Timothy 3:16,17 covers every aspect of Christianity. Thus Scripture becomes our sole authority for both doctrine and practice. The designation of "the Word of God" gives it the authority that is unlike any other.

DOCTRINE = GOSPEL TRUTH + BIBLE TRUTH
REPROOF = REBUKE OF EVERY FALSE TEACHING
CORRECTION = REBUKE OF EVERY FALSE PRACTICE
INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS = THE WHOLE CHRISTIAN LIFE
PERFECT MAN OF GOD = COMPLETE OR MATURE AS A CHRISTIAN
THOROUGHLY FURNISHED UNTO ALL GOOD WORKS = THE WHOLE GAMUT OF GOOD WORKS WHICH GOD APPROVES

So what more would any Christian need (unless they have itching ears)?

 

Since when are YOUthe one who gets to define what doctrineis?? Or reproof or instruction in righteousness??

These are YOUR definitions – but they may not be the definitions of the Elm St. Baptist Churchdown the road or any of the other tens ofthousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that all teach different doctrines.

2 Tim. 3:16 clearly shows that Scripture is Authoritative. It DOESN’T show by any stretch of the imagination that it is our SOLE Authority.

As I have repeatedly shown Jesus Himself gave His CHURCH the Supreme Authority – that WHATEVER it binds or losses on earth will also be bound and loosed in Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-22).

 

Hi P,
I won't be joining this debate because I have my own doubts.

But could I ask you this....
Why is it so important to you what day we worship?
I understand that you believe we're not obeying the 3rd commandment.
Is it because you think we're lost?
What?

 

Really??

Tell me – where does the Bible state which Books belong in it? Where is the revealed??
This truth was revealed to Christ’s CHURCH – and NOT in Scripture.

At the Last Supper, Jesus told His Apostles that the Holy Spirit would guide the Church to ALL Truth(John 16:12-15). He said NOTHING of them finding the answers in Scripture– which hadn’t even been written yet.

Scripture is Authoritative, yes – but NOT the “sole” or even “ultimate”Authority. YOU are making claims for Scripture that Scripture doesn’tmake for itself. In 2 Thess. 2:15, Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, places Sacred Tradition ON PAR with Scripture. Was he lying??

No, I’m making the case that the Scriptures that YOU claim are our “ultimate”Authority make this claim about the CHURCH - and not the Scriptures. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot . . .

 

Funny how you cried when the OP jabbed at the RCC but then you turn around and this??? And then you expect us to goose step into our nearest pedophilia ladened RCC. Yes, your so called 'Mother Church is not so squeaky clean either. Admit it.

Nope. Jesus had already set the example by His time, repeatedly saying, "IT IS WRITTEN" or Matthew 5:18 (KJV) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. (Joh 16:12-13 KJV)

Those were things the disciples couldn't bare at that time, but were revealed to them after the resurrection, which things we have WRITTEN in the Epistles of theirs.

No he was not lying, that tradition was the teaching of the Prophets and Apostles...not this kind, which Rome espouses...

Mark 7:13 (KJV) Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Yes, God's Word gave commands concerning the Church, thus the Church is to obey Scripture!