Ezekiel 38 -- ANOTHER TOPIC HIJACKED BY "christians" (small "c")
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Davy
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I have not done the attacking. I have done the explanation of Bible prophecy written in God's Word and real evidence of its fulfillment.
And Apostle Paul knew what I showed in my earlier post too, because he was a scholar of the Old Testament and had to have well known that God had written the Book of Hosea only to the ten tribe northern kingdom under Ephraim when they rebelled against Him while still in the holy lands. The fact that Paul quoted from Hosea to Gentile Romans in Christ's Church makes it very simple who God's Israel would become, i.e., believing Israelites and believing Gentiles on Christ Jesus, together as one body, just as Paul also said elsewhere...
Rom 10:12
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
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Gal 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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Isaiah says Israel will reign over the nations in the Lords land.
You then said the nations were the unbelievers.
What makes you think unbelievers will be allowed in the Lords land after God has given Israel the authority to rule over the nations as Isaiah says?
What makes you think unbelievers will be allowed to stay in the Lords land after lsrael inherits that kingdom?
Davy
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Like I said, I never said the rebellious would dwell in the holy city (Rev.22:14-15). You need to read that Scripture for the time of Christ's future thousand years reign and understand it. Also see Matthew 8:11-12, Matthew 22:1-14.
To quote Isaiah once more.It is Israel who reigns over the nations IN THE LORDS LAND.
Isaiah 14:2 The nations will escort Israel and bring it to its homeland. Then the house of Israel will possess the nations as menservants and maidservants in the LORD's land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.
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Sure. There will be a remnant of Jews saved; those who have now accepted Jesus.
But it is the whole doctrine of the 'rapture to heaven' and the eventual general redemption of the Jews, false teaching that I object to.
Don't ignore the many prophesies that tell us about the Judgment and punishment of Judah. They have had nearly 2000 years to get right with God. We are told not to pray for them, Jeramiah 11:14, 14:1-22 and the Lord will destroy them. Jeremiah 4:18, Isaiah 22:14
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We Christians ARE the House of Israel; the Overcomers for God, His Victorious ones. Jesus came to save US, Matthew 15:24
So you believe you overcame the beast?
Revelation 12:11 They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony. And they did not love their lives so as to shy away from death.
When exactly did you do this?
Davy
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You don't recognize God's true Israel, as you have already shown, so you aren't able to properly interpret the return of faithful Israel, because it is no longer about the seed, as Apostle Paul showed...
Rom 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
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Gal 3:26-29
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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You just have not been listening to and heeding God's New Testament Word, but instead have been listening to orthodox Jews who think that God's Salvation is by the flesh with just by being born of a certain people.
Im not talking about a group of Israelis who reject Christ.
Im talking about Israel returning and ruling over the nations as Isaiah says.
Its Gods word not mine.Why are you so offended by Gods word?Why would you reject who he chooses to rule the nations ?
Isaiah 14:2 The nations will escort Israel and bring it to its homeland. Then the house of Israel will possess the nations as menservants and maidservants in the LORD's land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.
Isaiah is speaking of those who reign in the Lords land.So is revelation 20:4.
Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
I undrrstand what you might have against the whore ,but what do you have against those in Israel who do not worship the beast or its image and will reign in the Lords land?
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Oh Davy, you ignored my question where I asked the following: -
and gone onto to presenting something very different. Davy, please let us resolve my question before you run off and muddy the waters with you thoughts.
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My goodness,could you imagine 20 billion christians from the last 2000 years crammed into a small piece of property the size of Israel?
How much of the promised land would each person inherit?
You have shown your ignorance with your attempted humour. Address you humour who believe as you do concerning the promise to Abraham as spelt out in Gen_12:1.
@Davy I am still interested in your answer so that we can interact once more if your understanding is in line with God's prophetic word.
Not interested in arguing with a person who is here for his previously stated reasons.
Shalom
It's ok if you're too afraid to follow up on what you don't know. There are a LOT of ignorant people, so you're not alone. Just try not to make a habit of it.
Bobby Jo
Davy said:God's Truth is not racism. ... false Jews who say they are Jews, but lie, and are not, but are the "synagogue of Satan" (Rev.2 & 3). [/quote
Anyone who slanders GOD's Chosen SHOULD be THROWN OFF THIS FORUM.
Bobby Jo
It's ok if you're too afraid to follow up on what you don't know. There are a LOT of ignorant people, so you're not alone. Just try not to make a habit of it.
Bobby Jo
That my dear friend is very applicable to you if you do not mind me saying so. You refuse to provide the answer to my question as to who or what are "the four winds of heaven:? What You are wanting me to sprout was around over 10 years ago and a person with the label of Da Da pushed the same understanding you are wanting others to adhere to. That person was wrong then, just as you are wrong today by forcing that understanding without understand the processes of what is really happening in the world..
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