The Mystery of the Triune God

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justbyfaith

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The Father is the Father from everlasting to everlasting...and the Son is the Son from everlasting to everlasting...

However the Son was begotten in the incarnation...and ascended to inhabit eternity once again.
 

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That is two Persons called God...and therefore two Gods.
Rather, it is two divine person ins ONE God. That, plus the Holy Spirit, is most people's belief in the Trinity or Godhead.

To believe that the Father and the Son are the same person is to believe in modalism.
 

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Rather, it is two divine person ins ONE God. That, plus the Holy Spirit, is most people's belief in the Trinity or Godhead.

To believe that the Father and the Son are the same person is to believe in modalism.
Not always.
 

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You understand the Trinity...please explain it to us.
God the Father is neither the Son nor the Holy Spirit
God the Son is neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit
God the Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son
Three distinct divine persons, but ONE GOD within the Godhead.
 
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Actually always. This is literally a matter of definition. The Trinity directly states that the Father and Son are two different persons. Modalism believes that they are one person in two different modes.

Who are you responding to, and why are you referring to modalism? The OP isn't about just modalism, and my replies have nothing to do with modalism either.
 

justbyfaith

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God the Father is neither the Son nor the Holy Spirit
God the Son is neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit
God the Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son
Three distinct divine persons, but ONE GOD within the Godhead.
God the Father is not the Son...but the Son is the Father (Isaiah 9:6).

I have explained the reason why I believe this to be the case in certain places on these boards.
 

justbyfaith

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Actually always. This is literally a matter of definition. The Trinity directly states that the Father and Son are two different persons. Modalism believes that they are one person in two different modes.
No, that is the Mormon Trinity...the preaching of three Gods.

You know that you are guilty of being a Mormon; don't deny it.
 

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No, that is the Mormon Trinity...the preaching of three Gods.

You know that you are guilty of being a Mormon; don't deny it.
Dude: I'm talking about the Creedal Trinity-- that which was codified by the Athanasian Creed. The Father and Son aren't the same person in that belief system (or mine). Modalism is the name given to the belief system wherein the Father and Son are the same person, and is traditionally considered a heresy by Trinitarian theologians.
 

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I was responding to @justbyfaith who was advocating for modalism (that the Father and Son are the same person).
Oh, I see. Without any context, it looks like you're responding to imaginary posters. I must have whoever you're responding to on "ignore" because their posts aren't showing up anywhere. Am I correct in assuming that when you respond to their post, you are intentionally deleting the content of their post from your response? Why would you do this?
 

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Oh, I see. Without any context, it looks like you're responding to imaginary posters. I must have whoever you're responding to on "ignore" because their posts aren't showing up anywhere. Am I correct in assuming that when you respond to their post, you are intentionally deleting the content of their post from your response? Why would you do this?
I'm not deleting anything- the post I responded to is directly included in my response post.
My guess is that forum software is hiding it from your view because you have a poster on ignore. If for some reason you wanted to test that, on the bottom right corner of the thread's an option to "show ignored content" or something like that, which temporarily shows that ignored content.
 

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Rather, it is two divine person ins ONE God. That, plus the Holy Spirit, is most people's belief in the Trinity or Godhead.

To believe that the Father and the Son are the same person is to believe in modalism.

I'm not sure that's necessarily the case. When we read "one in being with the father" we see one being, but Christianity explicitly points out that it is the person of Christ who is presented to the world as the mediator between God and the world. Christ is the face of God, but God is not his face. The word is God, but God is not his word.
 

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I'm not deleting anything- the post I responded to is directly included in my response post.
My guess is that forum software is hiding it from your view because you have a poster on ignore. If for some reason you wanted to test that, on the bottom right corner of the thread's an option to "show ignored content" or something like that, which temporarily shows that ignored content.

Strange. I've viewed other people's posts with content from people I'm ignoring so they must be doing something to make it appear in their posts. Thanks for the heads up though. I'll just assume that when someone posts something with no context, it isn't worth looking at because I only ignore people who have nothing worth looking at to begin with. I've seen the "ignored content" button. I ignore that as well, but it might be interesting to see if their ignored content then appears in your post. I might try it out, but then I'm still not sure it's really worth it either.
 

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Modalism is the name given to the belief system wherein the Father and Son are the same person, and is traditionally considered a heresy by Trinitarian theologians.
Modalism is the concept that God wears a lot of different hats, isn't it? And while I believe that the Son is the Father, I don't think that my belief system fits into the category of what might be called "modalism".

But you would have to study what I believe, through posts that I have made, to find out the truth of the matter.
 

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because I only ignore people who have nothing worth looking at to begin with.
It isn't that my posts aren't worth looking at; but that you have hardened your heart to what I am saying and therefore have turned away from me as a teacher; and as a result will heap up for yourself teachers that will tell you what your itching ears want to hear. I say this to you on the off-chance that you will look at this post.

To @shnarkle.
 

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Modalism is the concept that God wears a lot of different hats, isn't it? And while I believe that the Son is the Father, I don't think that my belief system fits into the category of what might be called "modalism".

But you would have to study what I believe, through posts that I have made, to find out the truth of the matter.
I have read many of your long posts and threads. And suffered very heavy-handed harassment and proselytization from you. It is a major turn off.