The Mystery of the Triune God

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I have read many of your long posts and threads. And suffered very heavy-handed harassment and proselytization from you. It is a major turn off.
I'm sorry about that. I pray that my words will still have the desired effect that the Holy Spirit intended for you to receive by them.

2Co 11:6, But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.
 

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I'm sorry about that. I pray that my words will still have the desired effect that the Holy Spirit intended for you to receive by them.

2Co 11:6, But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.
You say you're sorry and then immediately commit the same offense again *rolls eyes*
 

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You say you're sorry and then immediately commit the same offense again *rolls eyes*
Sorry about that.

I am certain that even in Mormonism, the teaching is that "all have sinned and come short of the glory of the Lord."

I do not say this as an excuse but as an explanation.

I do not claim to be perfect and I know that I can be abrasive in my dealings with certain people.

I hope you will realize that my bad witness in this doesn't mean that what I have been saying to you isn't true.

I may be rude in speech; but not in knowledge.
 

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Sorry about that.

I am certain the even in Mormonism, the teaching is that "all have sinned and come short of the glory of the Lord."

I do not say this as an excuse but as an explanation.

I do not claim to be perfect and I know that I can be abrasive in my dealings with certain people.

I hope you will realize that my bad witness in this doesn't mean that what I have been saying to you isn't true.

I may be rude in speech; but not in knowledge.
What exactly is it about my response that you consider to be offensive?

I am trying really hard to be polite here, but....frankly there is nothing polite to be said here, so I'm just going to walk away.
 

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I am trying really hard to be polite here, but....frankly there is nothing polite to be said here, so I'm just going to walk away.
How am I going to change if someone doesn't tell me the nature of my problem?

What is your purpose in telling me that I have a problem, if it is not an attempt to take the speck out of my eye?
 
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I am trying really hard to be polite here, but....frankly there is nothing polite to be said here, so I'm just going to walk away.
I would seriously recommend clicking the "ignore" icon associated with whoever you're responding to. I've already done it well over a couple dozen times just on this site alone, and I can tell you that the quality of the posts I view has increased dramatically.

I suspect that this not only results in a much better experience for you, but also allows you to make better use of your time on significantly higher quality posts. An increase in higher quality posts is a great way to improve a website. It rewards those who post high quality material while sending a message to those who are here simply to troll.
 

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How am I going to change if someone doesn't tell me the nature of my problem?
Surrender your own ego and own life, and come unto Christ. Learn to love God and your fellow man and actually see them all. Stop thinking egotistically of yourself as the person who's supposed to be teaching these others that mare more wicked than you. Instead, get on your knees and serve those you love and those you hate. Don't egotistically announce "I'm going to pray for you!". Instead, pray in your closet, and truly love others without any fan fare.

Now, I'm walking away.
 
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Okay, I will take those things into consideration; although one of them, getting on my knees and serving those I love, is something that I am doing, whether you are willing to accept that or not. I don't hate anyone.
 

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Hello Family of God,

This message is part two of a discussion regarding the Nature of the Triune God, and the many misinterpretations and fallacious arguments from false religions, occults, false teachers, false prophets, those in academia, and in diverse scholastic fields in the study of religion and Christianity. It is HIGHLY critical that Sacred Scripture MUST be interpreted with Sacred Scripture in order to attain Scriptural Harmony: if the perspicuity of a Biblical text cited is misinterpreted by the speaker, then it forces the interpreter to depart from the doctrinal clarity or teaching being discussed. The biggest threat from the Kingdom of Darkness is found within the church visible; where clandestine messengers of Satan (Grk. "aggelos Satana") infiltrate local churches to accuse those in leadership -- in order to hinder the spreading of the True Gospel, and the uncompromising exclusivity its message (e.g., "Pastors, Elders, Deacons, etc."; cf. Num. 33:55; Acts 4:12; 2 Cor. 11:12-15; 12:7-10; 2 Pet. 2:1).

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather [REPROVE THEM]." (Ephesians 5:11)

I. Man's Pride, and The Triune God as the ONLY Savior of mankind.
II. Golden Calves.
III. The Unique Oneness and BEING of The Triune Godhead, which belongs to Him ALONE.
IV. The Immutability of God; and why we can have Absolute Trust in His Promises because of this.
V. The Divine Providence and Absolute Sovereignty of God (Rom. 8:28).
VI. Prayers: A Direct Communication to God through Christ Jesus.
VII. Is God fair? And the True and Righteous Judgments of God (cf. Ps. 19:9).
VIII. Taking out the Trash (The Lord God Almighty and the Lamb Forever Reign Supreme).
IX. The Love of God
X. Eternal Life: Fellowship with God and the Lamb Forever.
XI. Closing Remarks with Exhortations & Encouragements.

[Golden Calves]:

"And without controversy great is [the mystery of godliness] (Grk. to tes eusebeias musterion; i.e., "The Revelation of God in Christ -- disclosed within the pages of Holy Scripture"): God was [manifest] (Grk. phaneroo; i.e., "The Incarnation of the Eternal Son of God") in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." (1 Timothy 3:16)

The Doctrine of the Trinity (i.e., "The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit") essentially teaches that God [is] ONE in BEING, as clearly revealed in Holy Scripture; and this biblical doctrine is considered by many to be logically fallacious and unreasonable by the critics within the secular world; and thus in conflict with naturalism, rationalism, atheism, empiricism, open theism, humanism, and SCHISMS. This Revelation of the One True and Living God in Holy Scripture has been misrepresented and maligned by the religiosity of the unregenerate as polytheistic, heretical, an invention of man, pagan or demonic in origin, and even as a denial of a MONOTHEISTIC God. When the Gospel is presented Truthfully and accurately, utilizing the correct principles of biblical interpretation (e.g., "context, hermeneutics, exegesis, perspicuity, etc.") -- and without bias, then there may be a glimmer of hope for those who were led astray by demon doctrines or devilish wisdom and knowledge that is contrary to the Absolute Truth (cf. Jas. 3:13-18) -- and any "gospel" or doctrine that denies His role as the ONLY Savior of mankind is heretical, divisive, and soul-damning (Jn. 8:24; 10:9; 14:6; Acts 4:12; Rom. 10:13-15; Gal. 1:8-9; 1 Tim. 4:10; 2 Pet. 1:20-21).

"Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, [STRIVE] (Grk. agonizesthe "to struggle as if your life depended on it, because it does; in this life, and in the age to come"; cf. 2 Thess. 1:4-10; 2 Tim. 3:10-12; 1 Pet. 4:18-19) to enter in at the strait gate: for [MANY, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able]. When once [THE MASTER OF THE HOUSE IS RISEN UP], and [HATH SHUT TO THE DOOR], and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity." (Luke 13:23-27)

There are literally Thousands of religions in this world of lies (i.e., "MANY") -- and they are ALL based on human achievement (i.e., "NOT BE ABLE: seeking to earn Heaven through their works; that is, there OWN righteousness") – and each person is culpable if they choose the wrong path. There is ONLY One Faith that stands on its OWN, and its message is delivered by the Spirit of God Himself; for the Incarnate God bore witness to the exclusivity of the Christian Faith -- and reveals that Creation, objective moral values written in the hearts of humans, and Eternity, clearly points to the Only Creator, so mankind is without excuse (Eccles. 3:11; Acts 17:27; Rom. 1:19-20; 2:14-16). The Only True God He has declared in Holy Scripture that there is Only ONE WAY, and that way is Narrow – and Testifies that man can never earn Eternal Life – and that Eternal Life is a GIFT of Divine Accomplishment, and not meritorious.

The [Master of the House] is NONE OTHER than our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and once He has [RISEN] (i.e., awaken from His sleep; and sleep is often used interchangeably for physical death) – and the opportunity granted to receive the Free Gift of Eternal Life is rejected, and the DOOR is SHUT (i.e., "Salvation is ONLY through the Atoning Death and [Resurrection] of Jesus Christ"; Jesus said "I AM THE DOOR"; Jn. 10:9) – there remains no more Sacrifice for sins (cf. Matt. 12:32; Lk. 16: 28-31; Heb. 6:4-6; 10:26-27) -- because He (i.e., "Jesus") ALONE grants Eternal Life, and NO amount of the keeping of the law, or self-righteousness, can merit Salvation (i.e., "The House is the Kingdom of God, or the Father's House; and the Master of that Kingdom is the Lord God Almighty and His Christ").

I will lay out several reasons why God MUST be Triune in Being, because the Holy Scripture would collapse if this were not so. The Entirety of Scripture is about God our Redeemer, and He is THE Foundation or Rock that we are to build upon:

- More than One Person Must Bear Witness/Testimony to The Truth. (cf. Deut. 17:6; Matt. 18:19-20; Jn. 5:34-39; 8:17-18; 18:37; Heb. 10:15-17)
- There MUST be a Mediator, and He MUST be a PERFECT Mediator in order to reconcile lost sinners to the Most Holy God of Scripture; and to Truly experience humanity as the God-man, partaking in flesh and blood (cf. 2 Cor. 5:14-21; 1 Tim. 2:5; Heb. 2:14-15; 4:15; 7:26-28; 8:6; 9:24-26)
- God, by His Immutable Nature, MUST possess a PERFECT Love from Eternity Past (i.e., "Intra-Trinitarian Love"; cf. Jn. 17:19-26) – and this Perfect Love shared between the Three Persons of the Divine Godhead MUST be Equal in Nature (cf. Matt. 3:17; 15:9; 17:5) – and this Epitomizes The Greatest Act of Sacrificial Love ever put on Display ("the Lamb slain BEFORE the foundation of the world as the Free Gift of God's Grace, Mercy, and the Forgiveness of sins"; cf. Mk. 2:5-7; Lk. 7:44-48; Jn. 3:16-18; 15:13; Rev. 13:8)

Biblical Truth can only be understood through the Illumination of Scripture given by the Holy Spirit; who gives us the spiritual insight needed to understand the Word of God. Any belief system that is contrary to the objective Truths written in the Word of God originates from an Antichristian spirit (e.g., "Denial of the Deity of Christ, His Bodily Resurrection, and His Atonement for our sins") that does not seek to Glorify the person of Christ, and His Salvific work on the Cross, but to "demote" Him to the level of a mere creature (e.g., "Allah has sons by the tons, and Jesus Christ was nothing more than a messenger of Allah") rather than giving Jesus Christ the due Glory He deserves (Jn. 16:13-15; Acts 4:10-12; Rom. 15:17; 1 Cor. 1:31; 2:1-2; Phil. 2:5-11; Col. 1:27; 1 Jn. 4:1-3).

"But if our gospel be hid, [IT IS HID TO THEM THAT ARE LOST]: In whom [the god of this world] (Grk. ho theos tou aionos toutou – i.e., "The Devil, who is the ruler of this world system; and currently at work in this present age, until the Second Advent of Christ") hath [BLINDED THE MINDS] of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)

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Light,

You wrote 10 lengthy narratives, one after the other, not allowing any of us to interact with your ideas. That is not a means to encourage communication with me.

Since you are relatively new on this forum, may I suggest you engage with us using one point at a time. That makes it a conversation and not a *Light* monologue.

Oz
 

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The *real world* is Heaven and what is in Heaven. And here is what is in Heaven: For there are three that bear record in heaven, [1] the Father, [2] the Word, and [3] the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (1 John 5:7 KJV)

Clearly there are three Persons in one God, and this cannot be understood by the human mind: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of [1] the Father, and of [2] the Son, and of [3] the Holy Ghost: (Mt 28:19)

Enoch,

Do you live in part of the real world on the earth? I do.

Oz
 

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Surrender your own ego and own life, and come unto Christ. Learn to love God and your fellow man and actually see them all. Stop thinking egotistically of yourself as the person who's supposed to be teaching these others that mare more wicked than you. Instead, get on your knees and serve those you love and those you hate. Don't egotistically announce "I'm going to pray for you!". Instead, pray in your closet, and truly love others without any fan fare.

Now, I'm walking away.

Jane,

I encourage you to not walk away yet. Let's wait to see whether *Light* really wants to dialogue or is a troll.

Oz
 

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Rather, it is two divine person ins ONE God. That, plus the Holy Spirit, is most people's belief in the Trinity or Godhead.

To believe that the Father and the Son are the same person is to believe in modalism.

Jane,

Historically, that is not the teaching of modalism.

Got Questions has an excellent summary of the heresy from the second and third centuries of modalism:

Modalism and Monarchianism are two false views of the nature of God and of Jesus Christ that appeared in the second and third centuries AD. A modalist views God as one Person instead of three Persons and believes that the Father, Son, and Spirit are simply different modes or forms of the same divine Person. According to modalism, God can switch among three different manifestations. A Monarchian believes in the unity of God (the Latin word monarchia meant “single rule”) to the point that he denies God’s triune nature. Both modalism and Monarchianism inevitably hold to the doctrine of Patripassianism, the teaching that God the Father suffered on the cross with (or as) the Son, and are closely related to Sabellianism (What is modalism / Modalistic Monarchianism?)​

In this thread so far I've read some thoughts on the Trinity that I'm not convinced are biblically based. My understanding of three Persons in the one God is in my two articles:
  1. Is the Trinity taught in the Bible?
  2. How to understand three persons in the Trinity
I'm not suggesting this is a perfect answer to the doctrine of the Trinity but I have attempted to show the biblical base.

Oz
 

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three Persons in the one God
Technically, the doctrine of the Trinity is "one God in three Persons"...and yes, there is a difference.

It is not 1 = 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3; rather it is 1 = 1 x 1 x 1.
 
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