Tongues and Related Issues

[Grailhunter]

Speak about His love and what He has done for you, Grailhunter. Why does it have to be some indescribable feeling others can’t possibly know or encounter. Do you not think I’ve experienced or felt His love? Trust me...You don’t have to labour to describe it.

I am simply asking for you guys to address what Christ said, what Christ described. Christ said He had to leave before the Holy Spirit could come. He also said that He would come again. So do you think Christ's return will only be that you will feel His love, an indescribable feeling. The problem is when you try to give klondike explanations to explain away the scriptures, it hurts the meaning of other scriptures. What Christ said was clear enough.

 

[Waiting on him]

I am simply asking for you guys to address what Christ said, what Christ described. Christ said He had to leave before the Holy Spirit could come. He also said that He would come again. So do you think Christ's return will only be that you will feel His love, an indescribable feeling. The problem is when you try to give klondike explanations to explain away the scriptures, it hurts the meaning of other scriptures. What Christ said was clear enough.

Romans 12:1 KJV
[1] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.


Tecarta Bible

 

[amadeus]

Ya know amadeus, who can but speaking in tongues in words, the feeling, the experience? It would be good for this thread for someone to do that. How do you talk to the unbelieving, a burden that Christ certainly had.

When I speak to an unbeliever, I rarely have opportunity to plan what I am going to say or even to look up Bible verses to cited ahead of time. We simply have to always be ready. Being ready means always leaning on God rather than leaning on our own understanding. Every morning and at times during the day, I talk to God.

Then along comes an unbeliever with an open heart. What do I say? When I am being led by the Holy Spirit the words will flow but from where did those words come? I was "eating words" earlier in the day when I was reading and studying my Bible. Were any of them quickened within me? Were any of them brought to Life within me? That is the source of the Word that flows out of my mouth when I speak to that unbeliever. But... when I do speak to him, I must be in the Spirit, or it will be my own flat dead word, instead of the Word. This is my part of simply being ready for any door that God opens.

Will my spoken Word save that person? Was everyone who heard Jesus speak to them 2000 years ago when He walked about in the flesh saved? No, they were not. When they were hungry and thirsty for the right things then they were filled with the right things:

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6

Some were only looking for the free meal for their carnal stomachs:

"Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled." John 6:26

So we can be available always to God having eaten and drunk of the right things ourselves and then as God provides opportunity, we are ready to say the right Word to one who hungers and thirsts for righteousness.

 

[Grailhunter]

Neat topic....not this one.

 

[Pearl]

Perhaps he didn't need to. He already had a deep spiritual connection to his father.

 

[amadeus]

I must decrease.

Yes, that is the "old man" of you who when left to himself will sin again rather than follow the Lord. As you decrease in yourself and He increases in you what do suppose is going to the end result?

 

[Waiting on him]

Yes, that is the "old man" of you who when left to himself will sin again rather than follow the Lord. As you decrease in yourself and He increases in you what do suppose is going to the end result?

Eaten alive

 

[Pearl]

I do not know why people still refuse to accept that speaking in tongues is a valid form of prayer. I can only suggest that those whose believe that have never experienced for themselves the joy of communing with God in this way by using one of the gifts he has given us. Even people like Grailhunter who have not used the gift themselves have seen evidence of its blessings.

Also by refusing to accept our personal testimonies they are calling us at best misguided or at worst liars.

 

[Waiting on him]

Also by refusing to accept our personal testimonies they are calling us at best misguided or at worst liars.

Not saying that at all Pear, your Testimony is just that.... of yourself
It’s not misguided or a lie

 

[amadeus]

‘If’ you partake of the body of Christ, then you partake of me?

If you have the Word of God in you and share it with others, then, yes, people who gladly hear you effectively partake of you [Christ in you]. But if you are NOT walking the Spirit, you are like Peter when Jesus rebuked him calling him satan, having no Life in you.

"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him." John 6:53-56

 

[Pearl]

Not saying that at all Pear, your Testimony is just that.... of yourself
It’s not misguided or a lie

So what of the testimonies of the apostles and disciples? Are they also open to individual interpretation?

 

[Waiting on him]

If you have the Word of God in you and share it with others, then, yes, people who gladly hear you effectively partake of you [Christ in you]. But if you are NOT walking the Spirit, you are like Peter when Jesus rebuked him calling him satan, having no Life in you.

"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him." John 6:53-56

Romans 12:1 KJV
[1] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.


Tecarta Bible

 

[Waiting on him]

So what of the testimonies of the apostles and disciples? Are they also open to individual interpretation?

They testify of Christ.

 

[amadeus]

I do not know why people still refuse to accept that speaking in tongues is a valid form of prayer. I can only suggest that those whose believe that have never experienced for themselves the joy of communing with God in this way by using one of the gifts he has given us. Even people like Grailhunter who have not used the gift themselves have seen evidence of its blessings.

Also by refusing to accept our personal testimonies they are calling us at best misguided or at worst liars.

And what did they say about Jesus?
"... He casteth out devils through the prince of the devils." Matt 9:34

 

[amadeus]

They testify of Christ.

So do we my friend!

 

[Enoch111]

Also by refusing to accept our personal testimonies they are calling us at best misguided or at worst liars.

Personal testimonies are just that, and no one outside the person testifying can refute that. So they must be accepted for what they are.

On the other hand, Scripture is objective truth -- God's truth. Therefore if tongues were a prayer language, every Christian would be praying in tongues, since God is no respecter of persons. But the Bible does not teach that.

Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? (1 Cor 12:29,30)

Paul is asking a series of rhetorical questions, and the obvious answer he expect s is a "NO" for each question. What he actually means is that not all will speak in tongues, and not all will interpret. All spiritual gifts are not given to all according to this chapter.

But the Pentecostal doctrine of being filled with the Spirit requires that ALL will speak in tongues after that baptism. And this contradicts Scripture. The problem is that Christians cannot substitute subjective experiences for objective revelation.

 

[amadeus]

Eaten alive

You can say that, but be certain you understand what Jesus meant when He called upon us to eat His flesh and drink His blood? When does it apply to you?

 

[Pearl]

Personal testimonies are just that, and no one outside the person testifying can refute that. So they must be accepted for what they are.

So does that apply to all personal testimony? Even the testimonies of the disciples and apostles and those who claimed to see Jesus crucified and ascended into heaven? And all the rest?

 

[Waiting on him]

You can say that, but be certain you understand what Jesus meant when He called upon us to eat His flesh and drink His blood? When does it apply to you?

1 Corinthians 10:17 KJV
[17] For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.


Tecarta BibleHurts me, you say I’m not part of that body.

 

[Enoch111]

So does that apply to all personal testimony? Even the testimonies of the disciples and apostles and those who claimed to see Jesus crucified and ascended into heaven? And all the rest?

Personal testimonies are personal testimonies. But since Christ appeared to over five hundred disciples altogether (including Peter, James, and Paul), His resurrection became an accepted FACT (see 1 Cor 15). And since it was recorded in Scripture -- the Word of God -- it became INDISPUTABLE fact. Christ's death, burial, and resurrection are the foundation of the Gospel and the basis for our salvation.