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Nancy

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Hi Nancy,

From whom did you get the table of contents for your bible? Man or direct revelation?

James 5:14-16 is rife with intercessor's.

When I pray for you I am an intercessor.

Soooo I am trying to figure out what you mean when you say "we need no human being to be the intercessor".



Mary
BTW-I am speaking of the intercessor of us between God and His people...do NOT need a human being...please. And for the record, I do not care about the "index" of my bibles, I only read scripture which is GOD BREATHED, it is a LIVING word, not a dead one that we must need a human being to burden us with what Jesus already freed us from. You can put ALL your faith in a bunch of men, I choose the real thing, the Holy Spirit. Don't bother starting on all of the splintered groups out there, God knows who is truly His and, many will be chosen from ALL denominations. The CC is NOT my judge, maybe yours but most definitely NOT mine.
 

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"First and foremost: 1 John 2:27 27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

The Holy Spirit is our teacher...why would I go to a fallible man when I can now go directly to His throne directly? Yes, we are to confess our sins to ONE ANOTHER...not some guy behind a curtain...really?? My prayers are pretty much ALL intercessory, and funny thing, they get ANSWERED...sooooo...what am I doing wrong here Mary? Just because the "Catholic" Church says I must go through a person to have my sins forgiven?? Say 5 hail Mary's, an our Father , act of contrition...is this some kind of magic formula? Mmmnah, I'll stick with what I know for sure as He manifests as He say's He will. I do not much care for the so called forefathers as they had error the second Jesus ascended to heaven...all manner of heresy entered...ya know, back when the "forefathers" were on the scene...God and only God instructs me, not YOU and certainly not the CC.
Well said Nancy.
 
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and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him

Hi Nancy,

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.

And so I abide. Not through any life of my own, but rather through HIS life in me.

You too are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Peace be with you!

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!
 
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Amen Pearl, We can now go boldly before His throne, we need no human being to be the intercessor because we now have direct access through Jesus.

My prayers are pretty much ALL intercessory, and funny thing, they get ANSWERED...sooooo...what am I doing wrong here Mary?
I'm confused.
 

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What I mean by "intercessory" is, prayers for other people...not my self although...Jesus IS my intercessor to God The Father for my needs.
 
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What I mean by "intercessory" is, prayers for other people...not my self although...Jesus IS my intercessor to God The Father for my needs.
Other people need you to pray for them? Jesus isn't their intercessor? I am still confused.
 
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Other people need you to pray for them? Jesus isn't their intercessor? I am still confused.

I pray daily for specific people and those in general. Do you not? I pray for and thank God daily for my provisions. He is my provider and the lover of my soul.
And, yes of course Jesus is our personal intercessor. Our WAY to God The Father and free to ask of Him anything at all, hopefully we end that prayer, "your will be done..."
 
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I pray daily for specific people and those in general. Do you not? I pray for and thank God daily for my provisions. He is my provider and the lover of my soul.
And, yes of course Jesus is our personal intercessor. Our WAY to God The Father and free to ask of Him anything at all, hopefully we end that prayer, "your will be done..."
Here's what I'm not understanding. You seem to be saying you don't need people praying for you but then are praying for other people. Why can't they pray for themselves if people don't need intercessors?
 
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Now you are playing semantic games. How can it be THE SAME SACRIFICE as what occurred historically on Passover in AD 30?

There can never be another sacrifice such as that of Christ on that 14th of Nisan,
when the day became unnaturally (and supernaturally) dark for three hours, and the veil in the temple was torn supernaturally from top to bottom.

The Lord's Supper was meant to be a Memorial Feast, with bread and wine SYMBOLICALLY REPRESENTING the body and blood of Christ. But the Catholic Church rejected that truth altogether and branded those who believed it with the curse of "Anathema". And then they actually made their Mass mean far more than that. Read your Catechism IN FULL regarding this matter. Let's hope you fully understand the significance of what is quoted below (WHICH IS TOTALLY UNSCRIPTURAL).

THE COUNCIL OF TRENT
ON THE SACRIFICE OF THE MASS
DOCTRINE
Being the sixth under the Sovereign Pontiff, Pius IV., celebrated on the seventeenth day of September, MDLXII.

CHAPTER II.

That the Sacrifice of the Mass is propitiatory both for the living and the dead.

And forasmuch as, in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the mass, that same Christ is contained and immolated in an unbloody manner, who once offered Himself in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross; the holy Synod teaches, that this sacrifice is truly propritiatory and that by means thereof this is effected, that we obtain mercy, and find grace in seasonable aid, if we draw nigh unto God, contrite and penitent, with a sincere heart and upright faith, with fear and reverence. For the Lord, appeased by the oblation thereof, and granting the grace and gift of penitence, forgives even heinous crimes and sins. For the victim is one and the same, the same now offering by the ministry of priests, who then offered Himself on the cross, the manner alone of offering being different. The fruits indeed of which oblation, of that bloody one to wit, are received most plentifully through this unbloody one; so far is this (latter) from derogating in any way from that (former oblation). Wherefore, not only for the sins, punishments, satisfactions, and other necessities of the faithful who are living, but also for those who are departed in Christ, and who are not as yet fully purified, is it rightly offered, agreebly to a tradition of the apostles.

Hmm
Or, perhaps you are patch-working a bunch of quotes, without context, from Catholic sources? Any decent lawyer can build a case around his own theory; even scientists run into this problem and the unethical ones invent evidence to support their theory - see

Red wine researcher Dr. Dipak K. Das published fake data: UConn

Something tells me you really need to believe Catholics are pretending to murder Jesus on the altar every Mass. Despite the fact that not one priest out there, believes this to be true. Even ignorant Catholics know this is false.

I am going to agree with PJ,
Your mind appears to be closed and settled
On your murderous theory

If you are really interested in learning the Catholic response to your theory, see:

Is the Mass a Sacrifice?

Something tells me you will not
 
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They are connected, of course.

The role of the Levitical priesthood was to take over the role of priests that the firstborn males had held that authority but failed to use it properly.

Numbers 3:12 And I, behold, I have taken the Levites from among the children of Israel instead of all the firstborn that openeth the matrix among the children of Israel: therefore the Levites shall be mine;
13 Because all the firstborn are mine; for on the day that I smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt I hallowed unto me all the firstborn in Israel, both man and beast: mine shall they be: I am the Lord.


The firstborn males are the priests that are talked about at Mount Sinai before there were Levitical ones.

Exodus 19:21 And the Lord said unto Moses, Go down, charge the people, lest they break through unto the Lord to gaze, and many of them perish.
22 And let the priests also, which come near to the Lord, sanctify themselves, lest the Lord break forth upon them.

After the firstborn males failed in their capacity of being priests, animal sacrifices were ordered too. If they hadn't failed, there would have been no need of animal sacrifices; but after they fell, the tribe of Levi acted as intercessors for them and their families and offered animal sacrifices.

All Israel was meant to act as a nation of priests to intercede for the nations; but when 11 tribes failed, Levi which did not fail took over.

I take from that that while men ought to be the spiritual heads of their households, sometimes they can lack the ability or authority.
 
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Hmm
Or, perhaps you are patch-working a bunch of quotes, without context, from Catholic sources? Any decent lawyer can build a case around his own theory; even scientists run into this problem and the unethical ones invent evidence to support their theory - see

Red wine researcher Dr. Dipak K. Das published fake data: UConn

Something tells me you really need to believe Catholics are pretending to murder Jesus on the altar every Mass. Despite the fact that not one priest out there, believes this to be true. Even ignorant Catholics know this is false.

I am going to agree with PJ,
Your mind appears to be closed and settled
On your murderous theory

If you are really interested in learning the Catholic response to your theory, see:

Is the Mass a Sacrifice?

Something tells me you will not
I tried to access that link, but a drop down box advertising further material kept interrupting and I couldn't get past it.
 

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Or, perhaps you are patch-working a bunch of quotes, without context, from Catholic sources?
Why are you making such ridiculous statements after having Catholic errors exposed? There is no *patchwork* and everything was in context perfectly. But you are simply resisting the truth (typical of Catholics).

One of the functions of the Roman Catholic priest is to re-sacrifice Christ on an altar at the Mass.

NEW ADVENT CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA
The nature of this service depends especially on the nature of the benefice, office, or function assigned to the priest; the Council in particular desires (cap. xiv) priests to celebrate Mass at least on Sundays and holydays, while those who are charged with the care of souls are to celebrate as often as their office demands... If it is true that "the reception of the idea of sacrifice led to the idea of the ecclesiastical priesthood" (loc. cit., p. 48), and that priesthood and sacrifice are reciprocal terms, then the proof of the Divine origin of the Catholic priesthood must be regarded as established, once it is shown that the Eucharistic Sacrifice of the Mass is coeval with the beginnings and the essence of Christianity.

But since all Christians are part of a Royal Priesthood, this is once again a violation of Scripture (quoting from the above source which seeks to refute the Protestant position):

[According to the Protestant view]...If all Christians without exception are priests in virtue of their baptism, an official priesthood obtained by special ordination is just as inadmissible as the Catholic Sacrifice of the Mass.
 
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I tried to access that link, but a drop down box advertising further material kept interrupting and I couldn't get past it.
I had to scroll down and down and down. I hate it when that happens. I refuse to buy anything from an advertiser who thinks he has to annoy me to get my attention.
 
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Here's what I'm not understanding. You seem to be saying you don't need people praying for you but then are praying for other people. Why can't they pray for themselves if people don't need intercessors?

Not sure where you got "You seem to be saying you don't need people praying for you..." I never would say or infer that! If someone were to offer to pray for me, I can't thank them enough! The only intercessor we need is Jesus, He opened the way directly to the Throne of God when He died so, He IS the only way to God. The Spirit prays for us when we have no words. We pray for one another, we pray for those we do not know, we pray for our enemies, for our daily bread. Maybe I should have said that Jesus is our "mediator" instead?
Praying intercessory prayers is simply praying on someone else's behalf, for that person. Every person on Earth, who prays to The Father, cannot unless they have Jesus as the WAY. I'm sorry I'm so confusing...the brain does not always work so well at the end of a busy day.
Feel free to pray for me, anytime! :)
 

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Not sure where you got "You seem to be saying you don't need people praying for you..." I never would say or infer that! If someone were to offer to pray for me, I can't thank them enough! The only intercessor we need is Jesus, He opened the way directly to the Throne of God when He died so, He IS the only way to God. The Spirit prays for us when we have no words. We pray for one another, we pray for those we do not know, we pray for our enemies, for our daily bread. Maybe I should have said that Jesus is our "mediator" instead?
Praying intercessory prayers is simply praying on someone else's behalf, for that person. Every person on Earth, who prays to The Father, cannot unless they have Jesus as the WAY. I'm sorry I'm so confusing...the brain does not always work so well at the end of a busy day.
Feel free to pray for me, anytime! :)
Thanks for clearing that up. I think praying for one another is wonderful since it promotes love and harmony among the members of the Body of Christ. What do you make of:

James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
 

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They are connected, of course.

The role of the Levitical priesthood was to take over the role of priests that the firstborn males had held that authority but failed to use it properly.

Numbers 3:12 And I, behold, I have taken the Levites from among the children of Israel instead of all the firstborn that openeth the matrix among the children of Israel: therefore the Levites shall be mine;
13 Because all the firstborn are mine; for on the day that I smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt I hallowed unto me all the firstborn in Israel, both man and beast: mine shall they be: I am the Lord.


The firstborn males are the priests that are talked about at Mount Sinai before there were Levitical ones.

Exodus 19:21 And the Lord said unto Moses, Go down, charge the people, lest they break through unto the Lord to gaze, and many of them perish.
22 And let the priests also, which come near to the Lord, sanctify themselves, lest the Lord break forth upon them.

After the firstborn males failed in their capacity of being priests, animal sacrifices were ordered too. If they hadn't failed, there would have been no need of animal sacrifices; but after they fell, the tribe of Levi acted as intercessors for them and their families and offered animal sacrifices.

All Israel was meant to act as a nation of priests to intercede for the nations; but when 11 tribes failed, Levi which did not fail took over.

I take from that that while men ought to be the spiritual heads of their households, sometimes they can lack the ability or authority.

I am not sure what you are getting at.
 

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I am not sure what you are getting at.
We see that the ideal situation would be if a man acted as priest or spiritual leader for his family. I think that was true then and is true now. We see that most men back then were unable to perform that role, so a new kind of priesthood was given; and then the question is how many men today are qualified to act as priests for their families. For example, what does a believing wife do if she has a nonbelieving husband? Who is going to act as her spiritual covering?
 
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