Biblical Foreknowledge

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

John Caldwell,

I did not say I hate Calvinists in that post.

You got over heated and had a meltdown. That is okay, just post it here. My objection was not what you said, it was you banning me for saying the post existed and you deleted it. Just own up to it.
That was the first deleted post in question.

That was the one you mistook as if I thanked the BB for silencing a few people....the admin already told you that you misread that post.

No...I did not misread anything. You said you did not know what post I was speaking about, canady saw it, so you were forced to retract your lie, and admit it existed, even though you edit it before restoring it,
You said I was on drugs, was having emotional problems, was hallucinating and being dishonest, when it was you the whole time

[QUOTE]You are exploiting @lforrest 's request for the post to bring your agenda here. It was already evaluated by the BB Administration.[/QUOTE]

Not at all...Forrest wants to get to the bottom of this. YOu have lied on both forums, own your lies repent amnd we can all move on from this dog and pony show....
I have not even gotten to the rd deleted posts which you made believe never existed.

What you claimed was that I posted that I hated Calvinists. And you said a pastor had the post. I said I never said I hated Calvinists. So one of us is lying.

 

[lforrest]

Hello Forrest;

Itried to go to my page but am being blocked until OCt 14TH, unless JonC lifts the ban which was for no reason.
I am banned by JonC until oct 14;
The posts I need to access are on my page which I cannot access right now. I asked a friend if he has the original pm I sent to him.
I am trying something else to pull up some of the old thread and maybe can work backward to the end of january. which is where the posts were.

What sort of page are you keeping posts on? Your private messages? Your profile? I'm new to BB.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Did I inadvertently stumble upon the 3rd grade playground? Give it a rest, Guys.

Truth and honesty matter willie T.
JonC has REPEATED LIED AND EVIDENTLY YOU APPROVE OF HIS LYING.
HE CAME TO THIS BOARD TO UNDERMINE ME AND THE OTHER CALS.
On A Christian board of all places this is inexcusable. it is a ninth commandment violation.
Do you think the ten Commandments are optional Willie T?

 

[John Caldwell]

My objection was not what you said

Speechless.

 

[Willie T]

Back off, Tony. That is two derogatory comments about me in just one post. You are showing John in a pretty good light. You guys started this over on BB, so LEAVE IT THERE.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

What sort of page are you keeping posts on? Your private messages? Your profile? I'm new to BB.

Forret, They are on my PM pages. I asked several members about the deleted posts? The poster Biblicist know of the thread, then said it completely disappeared. The Pastor Martin Marprelate also commented. We were told we were lying, untrustworthy dishonest, and 3or 4 other things.

For three weeks JonC said I had mental problems, a drug problem, I made it up, etc. I think there were 9 charges he made against me.

After being banned twice, I have posts showing what I said was true the whole time.
There was no reason to ban me, yet he did trying to cover his lies.
I know it seems confusing, but I can show it from things on my site...when I try to sign in it says ;


Forums>
Baptist Christian Forums - Error
You have been banned until oct14

Forums>
Baptist Christian Forums - Error

i will recover the names of the threads Forrest.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Back off, Tony. That is two derogatory comments about me in just one post. You are showing John in a pretty good light. You guys started this over on BB, so LEAVE IT THERE.

Willie....
Check the dates, he followed me here, to try and undermine me here as well. It is not going to happen

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

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Speechless.

I will show that is exactly what i said in a Pm....my gripe is that you lied about it, denied you did it, then banned me for saying the thread existed.
In a Pm I said, I do not like censorship of any kind, even if you censored yourself...that is what I said.
You cannot believe what ever you want. Just do not lie about me or the other Cals as you do repeatedly.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

What sort of page are you keeping posts on? Your private messages? Your profile? I'm new to BB.

Forrest , the title of my Pm was JonC meltdown....Can you access it?
He said he was not going to let the "cals" gang up on him.

The date was the end of January, maybe Feb1 ???

i posted one of the threads where JonC was getting waxed by Biblicist ,Martin and a few others. One was on spiritual death which he had a defective view of it, another was on penal substitutionary atonement. The result was as they offered him scriptures he could not handle that is when he melted down.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

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Speechless.

My objection was not your view of Calvinism, or Calvinist brothers, it was the lying you did and still do here.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Just a suggestion - rather than bringing the Baptist Board here why not just PM @lforrest and soare the rest of the forum the circus?


Also, the BaptistBoard is not a closed forum. Just search for "hate Calvinists" and put "JonC" (my username over there) in the user section.

Just restore you deleted post attacking the Cals and that will solve a big part of the puzzle, if you have nothing to hide, post it big guy.

 

[Enoch111]

I've tried. It's an old agenda of his he cannot move past.

Well God clearly says that we are to be reconciled one to another because God has reconciled us unto Himself.

 

[John Caldwell]

Well God clearly says that we are to be reconciled one to another because God has reconciled us unto Himself.

This is why I believe Christians "keep no record of wrongs". How can we hold grudges against anyone when God sent His Son while we were still sinners?

That said, I am not un-reconciled with Anthony. I do not know the man. I am pretty much ambivalent.

 

[lforrest]

Forrest , the title of my Pm was JonC meltdown....Can you access it?
He said he was not going to let the "cals" gang up on him.

The date was the end of January, maybe Feb1 ???

i posted one of the threads where JonC was getting waxed by Biblicist ,Martin and a few others. One was on spiritual death which he had a defective view of it, another was on penal substitutionary atonement. The result was as they offered him scriptures he could not handle that is when he melted down.

For your information you can still view the forums while banned if you open the site in another browser and don't try to login. Once you're logged in it won't let you logout,view the forums,or read PMs.

 

[SovereignGrace]

For your information you can still view the forums while banned if you open the site in another browser and don't try to login. Once you're logged in it won't let you logout,view the forums,or read PMs.

But he can't access his PM's, and that is what he needs. I posted some of the PM's we had over there where The Biblicist said he saw where John Caldwell said those things then the thread went 'poof!'

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Am I imagining things or did several posts disappear which said you, martin myself and Calvinists in general were
Dishonest, untruthful, not trustworthy, etc???
I can't even find the thread much less some missing posts. Have you tried just finding the thread. Maybe I am missing something, but when I type in the name of the thread nothing comes up.

He saw them and then noticed they went 'poof!' We are NOT making this up. If need be, I can get these ppl to sign up here, start a PM with you and the other staff members and state the truth in this.

I know I said I would bow out, but until I felt I needed to prove other things.

 

[lforrest]

But he can't access his PM's, and that is what he needs. I posted some of the PM's we had over there where The Biblicist said he saw where John Caldwell said those things then the thread went 'poof!'



He saw them and then noticed they went 'poof!' We are NOT making this up. If need be, I can get these ppl to sign up here, start a PM with you and the other staff members and state the truth in this.

I know I said I would bow out, but until I felt I needed to prove other things.

There is no need for witnesses, the site itself is a witness. I need only know where it was in the topic relative to other posts.

 

[Giuliano]

I confess I haven't read the entire thread and probably won't since it went off topic. Can we return to the actual topic?

I ask again why Jesus tells some people to depart because he never "knew" them. If we could agree on that, perhaps we could come to an agreement on what "foreknow" means.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I confess I haven't read the entire thread and probably won't since it went off topic. Can we return to the actual topic?

I ask again why Jesus tells some people to depart because he never "knew" them. If we could agree on that, perhaps we could come to an agreement on what "foreknow" means.

One deals with omniscience, the other His election. He knows us all via His omniscience. He only foreknows(elects) them He chose. He never knew them as a Groom knows his bride. It means He never had an intimate relationship with them.

 

[SovereignGrace]

There is no need for witnesses, the site itself is a witness. I need only know where it was in the topic relative to other posts.

When the evidence goes 'poof!', there is no witness. He 'poofed' all the evidence that would incriminate him.

 

[Giuliano]

One deals with omniscience, the other His election. He knows us all via His omniscience. He only foreknows(elects) them He chose. He never knew them as a Groom knows his bride. It means He never had an intimate relationship with them.

I think we agree. Thanks.

I take that to mean God "knew" the elect intimately before they were born. They are born in this world to act as His servants so that others can come to "know" God since God is not willing that any should perish.

When Israel made covenant with God at Sinai, all the elect took the vow. The Jews say not all Israel were in human bodies then, but they took the vow; and they base that on:

Deuteronomy 29:10 Ye stand this day all of you before the Lord your God; your captains of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, with all the men of Israel,
11 Your little ones, your wives, and thy stranger that is in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood unto the drawer of thy water:
12 That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the Lord thy God, and into his oath, which the Lord thy God maketh with thee this day:
13 That he may establish thee to day for a people unto himself, and that he may be unto thee a God, as he hath said unto thee, and as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
15 But with him that standeth here with us this day before the Lord our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day:

The purpose of Israel was to teach all the nations about God. The purpose of the elect, then, is to teach the non-elect about God so that all can be saved. So I see it. Studying the relationship between Esau and Jacob also reveals much. God did not "know" Esau; but God wanted Esau and his descendants to come to "know" Him.

Notice too that "strangers" or "Gentiles" were at Sinai and added on to Israel.