Life and Abortion Part I
On another thread people were talking about abortions and life, but it had gone off on a tangent from the topic of the OP regarding the writer of Hebrews.
Just what exactly is Life to men and what is it to God? To believers, I believe, who understand, Life is what Jesus brought. It is also what God gave to Adam and Eve back in Genesis:
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Gen 2:7
But then...
"...of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Gen 2:17
"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat." Gen 3:6
So no matter anyone says, if God speaks the truth always then according to His words in Gen 2:17, Adam and Eve died. In Gen 2:7 man was a "living soul" , but he and Eve killed themselves by their disobedience. No more Life.
Jesus was sent to make a change in this possible:
"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10
They were all dead until that Life became available to them. That is you and that is me.
"For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." I Cor 15:21-22
"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." I Cor 15:45
Every man born of woman was born to dead parents and therefore was dead from his beginning, at least to God. Men I guess see it differently because they can walk around and talk and do this or that or some other thing... or at least so it seems to them as their five natural, carnal senses and brain figure it.
Jesus agrees with God about this being dead thing. He brought Life so He should know:
"And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." Matt 8:21-22
So after Adam's disobedience and until Jesus brought Life there was no Life... only death. Right?
So this means there is no such thing as murder, right? Can we kill someone who is already dead? If this is how it is, then why did God bother to write commandments in stone for Moses and the natural children of Israel... including?
"You shall not murder." Ex 20:13
Jesus understood how men thought and why such a "law" was given to Moses. At first here we see him speaking of one thing with regard to "death"...
"These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep." John 11:11
But his disciples understood something else:
"Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well." John 11:12
And then the conversation continues and knowing their understanding Jesus changes gears and speaks in terms they understand:
"Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead." John 11:13-14
Jesus recognized the death that God saw in every man born of woman, but he also understood the death that men understood which pertained to their physical bodies and the physical death of Lazarus.
To be continued...
On another thread people were talking about abortions and life, but it had gone off on a tangent from the topic of the OP regarding the writer of Hebrews.
Just what exactly is Life to men and what is it to God? To believers, I believe, who understand, Life is what Jesus brought. It is also what God gave to Adam and Eve back in Genesis:
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Gen 2:7
But then...
"...of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Gen 2:17
"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat." Gen 3:6
So no matter anyone says, if God speaks the truth always then according to His words in Gen 2:17, Adam and Eve died. In Gen 2:7 man was a "living soul" , but he and Eve killed themselves by their disobedience. No more Life.
Jesus was sent to make a change in this possible:
"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10
They were all dead until that Life became available to them. That is you and that is me.
"For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." I Cor 15:21-22
"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." I Cor 15:45
Every man born of woman was born to dead parents and therefore was dead from his beginning, at least to God. Men I guess see it differently because they can walk around and talk and do this or that or some other thing... or at least so it seems to them as their five natural, carnal senses and brain figure it.
Jesus agrees with God about this being dead thing. He brought Life so He should know:
"And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." Matt 8:21-22
So after Adam's disobedience and until Jesus brought Life there was no Life... only death. Right?
So this means there is no such thing as murder, right? Can we kill someone who is already dead? If this is how it is, then why did God bother to write commandments in stone for Moses and the natural children of Israel... including?
"You shall not murder." Ex 20:13
Jesus understood how men thought and why such a "law" was given to Moses. At first here we see him speaking of one thing with regard to "death"...
"These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep." John 11:11
But his disciples understood something else:
"Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well." John 11:12
And then the conversation continues and knowing their understanding Jesus changes gears and speaks in terms they understand:
"Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead." John 11:13-14
Jesus recognized the death that God saw in every man born of woman, but he also understood the death that men understood which pertained to their physical bodies and the physical death of Lazarus.
To be continued...