reformed1689
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Good discernment has evidence when it makes a charge.Have you ever heard of the Gift of Discernment? Maybe you haven't.
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Good discernment has evidence when it makes a charge.Have you ever heard of the Gift of Discernment? Maybe you haven't.
No. There is a difference. Scripture tells us God is Spirit and that the Spirit is the Spirit of God. Scripture tells us the Father is God. And Scripture tells us that Jesus is God. I can provide a verse stating each. (If you mean an expounded doctrine of the Trinity then you may be right, but then it is also philosophical).That's not how good theology works. With that mindset you shouldn't believe in the Trinity either.
I've not come to recognize what you are saying because what you are saying isn't reality.I am glad you at least have come to recognize that. We all have different criteria for holding our beliefs.
It's not philosphy. It's plain and simple. The penalty for sin is death. What happened to Christ on the cross? He bore our sin and died. He took the penalty that we should have received.It is too important a doctrine to leave to religious philosophies and ideas some people have come to see as implied in Scripture.
Good discernment has evidence when it makes a charge.
I've not read it which is why I am asking for your evidence of your ridiculous charge.What about the book did you like?
I had started a thread saying I hate censorship, perhaps with the exception of profanity.Censoring others has never been part of your character, dialog. He's projecting, bro.
LOL....I've not come to recognize what you are saying because what you are saying isn't reality.
It's not philosphy. It's plain and simple. The penalty for sin is death. What happened to Christ on the cross? He bore our sin and died. He took the penalty that we should have received.
I showed you the Scriptures. You reject them. That's fine but you can't say they aren't in there. You don't want to look at the whole of Scripture. You insist that I have to find a verse that says it all. That's absurd John and you know it. Not to mention that is horrible interpretation skills. We did go to the same university so you know I am right.LOL....
David, you can't have it both ways.
Either the idea that on the cross God was punishing Jesus for our sins instead of punishing us so as to pay our sin-debt is in the text of Scripture or it is a product of systematic theology. If it is derived from systematic theology (which incorporates Scripture, human reasoning, philosophy, historic development, etc.) then it is different from what is actually in Scripture.
Look, we went to the same university. Did they stop going over the definitions of theology - Biblical Theology, Systematic Theology, Theology Proper, Christology, etc.?
David,I showed you the Scriptures. You reject them. That's fine but you can't say they aren't in there. You don't want to look at the whole of Scripture. You insist that I have to find a verse that says it all. That's absurd John and you know it. Not to mention that is horrible interpretation skills. We did go to the same university so you know I am right.
Notice I did not say what you claim. Those verses show that the penalty for sin is death.You and I can talk to one another, but don't be foolish. You provided Romans 6:23 which states (as I pointed out) that the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus. If you interpret that to read "God punished Jesus instead of punishing us" then I question your literacy.
Again, I was showing that the PENALTY for sin is death.You also provided the entire chapter of Genesis 3, which contains absolutely no verse about God punishing Jesus instead of punishing us.
It speaks of the curse, but that is Adam's toil and the wages of sin (death).
No, I merely presented exactly what the text says. You are the one insisting on one single verse and that is not how this works.What you are calling "interpretation skills" is eisegesis.
Nowhere in Scripture does it say God is three yet one but you believe that. Your double standard on this is appalling.Nowhere in Scripture are the words that would be interpreted "God punished Jesus instead of punishing us" - so it is not a matter of interpretation. It is an issue of religious theology and human wisdom that shifts salvation from a Christ-centered redemption to a humanistic philosophy.
He did have someone killed because they didn't believe what he taught. Willie knows. But I'm sure that information is not uncovered in your church.
It would have to be a lie to slander. I don't lie. But you do about what Jesus accomplished, but just don't know any better because that is what Calvinism teaches.
If I said that for real, I would be as dumb as a Calvinist
Isaiah 53:10-12 KJVDavid,
You and I can talk to one another, but don't be foolish. You provided Romans 6:23 which states (as I pointed out) that the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus. If you interpret that to read "God punished Jesus instead of punishing us" then I question your literacy.
You also provided the entire chapter of Genesis 3, which contains absolutely no verse about God punishing Jesus instead of punishing us.
It speaks of the curse, but that is Adam's toil and the wages of sin (death).
What you are calling "interpretation skills" is eisegesis.
Nowhere in Scripture are the words that would be interpreted "God punished Jesus instead of punishing us" - so it is not a matter of interpretation. It is an issue of religious theology and human wisdom that shifts salvation from a Christ-centered redemption to a humanistic philosophy.
Again, stay where you are or move towards Scripture. That is up to you. You are a Christian and your relationship with the Word is not of my concern. We hold very different ideas about doctrinal authority.
Just keep in mind interpretation applies to a text, not lessons you believe implied therein. Yours is NOT interpretation because there are no passages that can possibly be interpreted that God was punishing Christ instead of punishing us. That is why I offered you a chance to provide a text. None exists.
It’s beginning to go way beyond that, she’s accused someone of murder that she has no facts on, says Willie knows.This is a misrepresented story.
But even if it wasn't, I have documented evidence of you sinning; right here on the site in black and white. There's no escaping from the fact that this "sinless Christianity" you are peddling is indeed a farse.
Not to mention, why do people get stuck on Calvin? I don't follow Calvin, I follow Scripture.It’s beginning to go way beyond that, she’s accused someone of murder that she has no facts on, says Willie knows.
If Mr Calvin is part of the brethren and she’s his accuser, well what ever
Not to mention, why do people get stuck on Calvin? I don't follow Calvin, I follow Scripture.
Yeah the point is they use Calvin as a Red Herring rather than dealing with the actual teachings of Scripture.I'm a Presbyterian, and I don't follow Calvin either. I follow Scriptures. Now, Calvin was a firm student of the Word, so my beliefs do line up with his in many ways, but still; if Calvin is ever proven wrong from the Word, I will agree with the Word 100% of the time.