Philip James
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The Lord's Supper is a Remembrance Feast, and the elements are symbolic of His body and blood.
Please tell me what you mean by that. What is a 'Rememberence Feast' ?
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The Lord's Supper is a Remembrance Feast, and the elements are symbolic of His body and blood.
Don't know. Maybe people are envious. Hey, maybe someone could invent a device to remind Protestants to pray. He might get filthy rich!Just thought I'd add... how did we get here from a simple device to aid one in prayer? Must have been the Father's will...
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1. Paul calls the Lord's Supper a feast, which is to be observed with unleavened bread of sincerity and truth: Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. (1 Cor. 5:7,8)Please tell me what you mean by that. What is a 'Remembrance Feast' ?
How could eating and drinking symbols damn someone? Why wouldn't the sin of eating and drinking unworthily be forgiven along with all other sins?Strong's Concordance
poieó: to make, do
Original Word: ποιέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: poieó
Phonetic Spelling: (poy-eh'-o)
Definition: to make, do
Usage: (a) I make, manufacture, construct, (b) I do, act, cause.
That word is never used for sacrifice. And since the Bible tells us that Christ offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, that should settle the matter. There can be no re-sacrificing of Christ as in the Mass. The Lord's Supper is a Remembrance Feast, and the elements are symbolic of His body and blood.
It is unfortunate that the KJV used the word *damnation* when the meaning is condemnation or judgment.How could eating and drinking symbols damn someone? Why wouldn't the sin of eating and drinking unworthily be forgiven along with all other sins?
1 Corinthians 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation* to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
It may be a good thing if Protestants are partaking of mere symbols. That would mean they weren't showing disrespect for the Real Presence.
It is unfortunate that the KJV used the word *damnation* when the meaning is condemnation or judgment.
*Strong's Concordance
krima: a judgment
Original Word: κρίμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: krima
Phonetic Spelling: (kree'-mah)
Definition: a judgment
Usage: (a) a judgment, a verdict; sometimes implying an adverse verdict, a condemnation, (b) a case at law, a lawsuit.
Please note what Paul says in verses 31 & 32, where he calls it *chastening* and used the words "judge" and "judged": For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
When Paul speaks of "discerning the Lord's body" he is not speaking of transmutation, but the fact the Lord's body and blood are represented at the Lord's Supper, which must therefore be partaken off after examining and judging ourselves.
What "adverse judgment" or "condemnation" do you think people will face for partaking unworthily of symbols? Condemned to what?There were no unauthorized *priests* in the apostolic churches, attending at an altar, and offering a transmuted sacrifice. All believers are priests, and we know from the original Lord's Supper (the Passover meal) that Jesus was not speaking of a magical transformation of the bread and wine into His body and blood. Those elements were symbolic representations, and the partaking or *eating* of Christ is spiritual.
You have it backwards. The memorial IS the sacrifice. I explained what "remembrance" means backed with numerous scriptures, that you reject with no qualification. Just because we have differences in our understanding of the Eucharist is no excuse for the bigotted insult of accusing us of a false gospel.No. That is not what he said. He said as a memorial OF his sacrifice. Big difference.
"Were"??The Roman Catholic Church preaches a false Gospel. And I know good and well what indulgences are. Clearly you didn't catch the point I was making. I am not saying that this sale is a way to get out of purgatory. I am saying that indulgences, which had zero real effect, were just a way to put money in the church coffers. This is no different.
Can you explain what the "Roman" Catholic Church is?The Roman Catholic Church preaches a false Gospel.
Sure, the one that was based for centuries in Rome and now the Vatican. It is a church that has lost its way and is now a false church.Can you explain what the "Roman" Catholic Church is?
One of those "clerics" was Pope Leo X.....just saying....What happened in the 16th century was an abuse by some clerics - but it was NEVER a teaching of the Catholic Church.
So we sacrifice Christ over and over again? This is the great heresy of the Mass. Christ already finished the work and does not need sacrificed again.The memorial IS the sacrifice.
Again, what in the world are you talking about? You aren't making any sense. What does that have to do with divine punishment for sin?How could fervent charity cover a multitude of sins if what you wrote is true? "If we are saved there is no punishment for us. It has already been delivered."
Actually - he wasn't - and there isn't a shred of historical evidence to back that up.One of those "clerics" was Pope Leo X.....just saying....
Purgatory and indulgences are red herrings to Taylors indefensible claim of a false gospel, which he has not yet explained what he thinks is the true gospel. It's a standard anti-Catholic derailment tactic.Can you explain what the "Roman" Catholic Church is?
Time for a lesson in ecclesiology . . .Sure, the one that was based for centuries in Rome and now the Vatican. It is a church that has lost its way and is now a false church.
This post shows a woeful ignorance of Catholicism.So we sacrifice Christ over and over again? This is the great heresy of the Mass. Christ already finished the work and does not need sacrificed again.
Wow, is this the brainwashing you have received? Not a shred of evidence? Oh brother. It is widely known that he authorized the sale of indulgences to build St. Peter's because he had emptied the church coffers. It is also known he made arrangements to split monies 50/50 with an Archh Bishop in Germany in order to pay off certain loans and build St. Peters. The fact that you deny this says everything we need to know.Actually - he wasn't - and there isn't a shred of historical evidence to back that up.
Just saying . . .
Do you follow Pope Francis or not?Time for a lesson in ecclesiology . . .
"Roman" (Latin) is simply the name of the Liturgical RITE - of which there are TWENTY that comprise the Catholic Church. Others include the Melkite, Coptic, Byzantine, Maronite, Alexandrian, etc.
The official name of the Catholic Church is . . ."The Catholic Church". It's NOT called, the Roman Catholic Church.
When you see a sign outside of a Catholic Church that says, "St. Anthony's Roman Catholic Church" - they are explaining that this is the Liturgical RITE being celebrated here.
ALL of the Rites of the Catholic Church are in communion with each other - but they are NOT all "Roman" Catholics . . ..