Calvinism

[reformed1689]

I've already responded to this fallacy, and it went right over your head. ZoooooooooooM!

What kind of nature do you have?

When saved we have two natures at war within us. The Flesh and the Spirit.

 

[reformed1689]

So you are saying that your god predestines people to be evil before the foundation of the world.

So you are saying that your god predestines people to be damned to hell before the foundation of the world.

I got news for you. We are all evil and all damned for hell. What happened before the foundation of the world is that God chose to save some that were damned for hell for he has mercy on whom he will have mercy.

 

[John Caldwell]

I don't think you'll find you did.

I do not add to Scripture, and you have not shown that I have. As for my 'traditions;' they are agnosticism for more than half my life followed by broad evangelical Arminianism. If you can find those traditions in my posts, good luck to you.

I did not deal with Scripture to your satisfaction. But I did deal with the passages. They mean EXACTLY what they say. No more, no less.

I do not mean "tradition" by your past but by "Reformed Tradition". You have adopted a tradition. I know, not the queens English .

What you've added to Scripture are those things that you cannot point out in the text of Scripture itself. As I challenged @David Taylor , print out a verse and put in bold where the text states that God punished Jesus instead of punishing us. NOT a passage that you can tell us what it means - just the verse and put in bold the words without commentary or your explanation.

Like @David Taylor you'll have to admit that your idea of"good theology" does not work that way. The actual text does not state what you believe. There are no verses that state God punished Jesus instead of punishing us.

 

[reformed1689]

As I challenged @David Taylor , print out a verse and put in bold where the text states that God punished Jesus instead of punishing us. NOT a passage that you can tell us what it means - just the verse and put in bold the words without commentary or your explanation.

Ok John, point out a single verse that says "Jesus is God." Remember, no commentary, no explanation and you only get one verse.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Predestination/Election happened before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1:4

ROFL Paul was introducing himself as of the children of God - the Jews, the only nation that was predestined. But that doesn't mean that all Jews were saved just because they were predestined. They still later rejected God.

Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob My servant’s sake, And Israel My elect, I have even called you by your name; I have named you, though you have not known Me.

 

[reformed1689]

ROFL Paul was introducing himself as of the children of God - the Jews, the only nation that was predestined. But that doesn't mean that all Jews were saved just because they were predestined. They still later rejected God.

Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob My servant’s sake, And Israel My elect, I have even called you by your name; I have named you, though you have not known Me.

Are you going to acknowledge Ephesians 1:4 or not?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Ok John, point out a single verse that says "Jesus is God." Remember, no commentary, no explanation and you only get one verse.

Of course, you love out of context single verses. But there are some. John 1:1 for instance. But you still need to read further to find out WHO the Word is?

which was committed to me according to the commandment of God our Savior;

4 To Titus, a true son in our common faith:

Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior.

That is a Hebrew parallelism confirming that Jesus is God.

 

[Steve Owen]

John,
David Taylor says he has free-will....explain to me what twisted truth allows him to say that?

John 8:36. 'Therefore if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.'

If you actually want to know what Calvinism is, and can ask in a civilized manner, I'm sure someone will tell you. But it will probably require a new thread. The mods should have closed this one ages ago.

 

[reformed1689]

Of course, you love out of context single verses. But there are some. John 1:1 for instance. But you still need to read further to find out WHO the Word is?

I agree with you, but John says we can't do that.

 

[Grailhunter]

I got news for you. We are all evil and all damned for hell. What happened before the foundation of the world is that God chose to save some that were damned for hell for he has mercy on whom he will have mercy.

See back to lies....saved....you are predetermined. No choice for salvation.....
No faith, no repentance, no prayers, no grace, no love, no good deeds, that is not forced by your god. Which makes all of that null and void. Puppets on a string under the control of the hideous puppet master. As a puppet you are nothing but an it. An it on earth and an it in heaven.....your god most be easily entertained.

 

[reformed1689]

No faith, no repentance, no prayers, no grace, no love, no good deeds, that is not forced by your god.

Who said no faith? Who said no repentence? Who said not grace or love? Good deeds are not required for salvation. But nobody said what you claimed. More strawman.

 

[Grailhunter]

Who said no faith? Who said no repentence? Who said not grace or love? Good deeds are not required for salvation. But nobody said what you claimed. More strawman.

All these things are choices.....Calvinism says no choices.

 

[reformed1689]

All these things are choices.....Calvinism says no choices.

Again, you show you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Mjh29]

All these things are choices.....Calvinism says no choices.

See more lies! In fact, Calvinism says choices are what damn people!

 

[John Caldwell]

Ok John, point out a single verse that says "Jesus is God." Remember, no commentary, no explanation and you only get one verse.

So you do not believe that Scripture actually states that Jesus is God??????

Here is one among several:

John 20:28-29 Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus *said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."

 

[Grailhunter]

John 8:36. 'Therefore if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.'

If you actually want to know what Calvinism is, and can ask in a civilized manner, I'm sure someone will tell you. But it will probably require a new thread. The mods should have closed this one ages ago.

To many years dealing with Calvinists...no what they are and know what they believe. The anti-cult organizations deal with Calvinists. Would you like their phone number? Maybe they can help you.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Are you going to acknowledge Ephesians 1:4 or not?

I just did. Did that go over your head too?

 

[John Caldwell]

Ok…..so here we are:

@David Taylor admits his belief is not actually stated in Scripture but believes that is how “good theology” is done, @Anthony D'Arienzo rejects the "literal method" of hermeneutics because it makes God serve a dictionary while giving us "biblical meanings" for words, that the early church fathers were Calvinists, and now they do not even believe Scripture itself states the divinity of Christ.

This is the new “Calvinism”.


Extra-biblical foundational belief, subjective history, liberal hermeneutics, “another” gospel, and a denial that Scripture itself states the divinity of Christ.

I think we are approaching giving pearls to swine.

 

[CharismaticLady]

When saved we have two natures at war within us. The Flesh and the Spirit.

Which one do you obey? The flesh or the Spirit?

 

[Grailhunter]

Again, you show you don't know what you are talking about.

Are you serious....that is going to take a lot of space. Are you a new Calvinist?

see post #1439