Y do U believe what U believe, and do U have good reasons 4 those beliefs? - let's find out.

[amadeus]

What do you understand this phrase to mean as defined scripturally?

It is a phrase I started using a number of years ago with my own meaning from my heart, which may or may not equal some particular verse in the written scriptures. Did it come from God? Sometimes it does. [tense changed on purpose.]

I give God the glory because ultimately He is the One that is good and the only One who is always deserving of all the honor I am able to give Him. Maybe it is not much, but if it is all that I have...

I made the mistake of trying to get closer to God from the written scriptures alone for several years. My mind was taking the lead instead of the Holy Spirit. When I backslid, I could quote dozens of verses simply because I had read them or heard them many times. When God drew me back to Him after about 10 years I could not quote much of anything verbatim any longer than "Jesus wept". Although I read the Bible more than I ever did before this inability to quote exactly remains. Yet... when God is in it, and a lot of times He is, I have the right words in my mouth or I know where they are to be found in a written Bible. The difference without any doubt at all on my part is the Holy Spirit. My problem is I am not always in the Spirit and sometime I am not even following the lead of the Spirit. These times are usually fewer than they once were, but they do exist at times in me. For this reason, when my friend, @bbyrd009 on this forum questions what people mean when they speak of an Absolute Truth, I understand his question only too well... Sometimes I glimpse the answer, but sometimes it eludes me.

 

[amadeus]

I know of no such issues with the King James Bible.

You are speaking I think more of the apparently grammatical and even translation differences which people here sometimes argue a lot about. I speak of something else.

The problem, when I have one is not with the King James per se. It is with what I understand or do not understand. Sometimes God gives me the understanding now, but at other times it is necessary for me to check out something else. Why? Why does God do what He does the way He does it? Why does His plan at times seem almost crystal clear while at other time I really am only seeing things as through a glass darkly? God knows and sometimes He shares with me.
How is it that God is leading me? Sometimes I can tell you very precisely, while at others, I have no words. We need to learn when to speak and when to be silent.

 

[Nancy]

If I may make a suggestion to you then, to make it easier for me to address your responses? Ask one specific thing at a time, and not all at once, and stay with a single subject and not all over the place, until you understand the responses on the single subject, and then move to another. I know the end is near, but there is still yet time to address your concerns.

If I may make a suggestion to you then, to make it easier for me to address your responses? Ask one specific thing at a time, and not all at once, and stay with a single subject and not all over the place, until you understand the responses on the single subject, and then move to another. I know the end is near, but there is still yet time to address your concerns.

"If I may make a suggestion to you then..."
Fair enough, sensible suggestion, thank you

"I know the end is near..., <--- Hahaha
but there is still yet time to address your concerns."

Not so sure I'd use the word "concerns" ReChoired, just small curiosity's. This is not an issue at all to me. Not to mention, trying to even address many of your posts can be exhausting, almost like writing a blog...? And there are others on here i do engage with. So, I will be saying ta- ta to this thread for the most part as, I don't have the time to any where near properly reply.
Gods Blessings,
nancy

 

[amadeus]

Depends on what you mean now, and especially when you say, "eat the old flesh", and "eat ... the old blood" (explain what you mean please by example).

Joh 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

Joh 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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Roman Catholicism turns John 6 into an abomination, as the words that Jesus was speaking are 'spirit' are 'life', as the 'flesh profiteth nothing'.

The flesh and blood of Jesus are his life and faith.

Very simply, what I eat, instead of a little wafer made from grain is the scriptures themselves. What I drink is not the red blood of Jesus' body of flesh nor is it the wine made from grapes, but rather the Holy Spirit.

 

[ReChoired]

It is a phrase I started using a number of years ago with my own meaning from my heart, which may or may not equal some particular verse in the written scriptures. Did it come from God? Sometimes it does. [tense changed on purpose.]...

Well, wouldn't you desire to know what God specifically defined as giving Him glory means? Homework for you, and let me know what your study in the scripture revealed, and we can then compare notes.

Start here:

Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.​

 

[ReChoired]

Very simply, what I eat, instead of a little wafer made from grain is the scriptures themselves. What I drink is not the red blood of Jesus' body of flesh nor is it the wine made from grapes, but rather the Holy Spirit.

As you (we) do this, you (we) will continue to be blessed:

Act_3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.​

 

[amadeus]

I disagree. The word of God isn't dead, but rather very much alive, living, just as the Holy Ghost is living:

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.​

You like many people call the Bible the Word of God.

Yes, the Word of God is NOT dead, but the Bible as I see it is like Jesus on the cross after he died, but before he resurrected. No unopened unread Bible are alive. They in that state save no one. But... then when a person opens the Book and reads with the right purpose, attitude, spirit, then the Spirit, the Holy Spirit begins to work bringing things to Life within the person... not in the Book.

Consider when a sincere atheist reads and studies the Bible and his only purpose is to enable him to trip up some follower of Jesus. What he consumes from the Bible in his readings and studies is dead and will remain so until he changes his attitude.

Without the Spirit the letter of the Bible is dead:

"[God] Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." II Cor 3:6

The quickening Spirit is the key to bringing the written words of scripture to Life.

 

[ReChoired]

You are speaking I think more of the apparently grammatical and even translation differences which people here sometimes argue a lot about. I speak of something else....

I was actually speaking about God's perfectly preserved word in English (Psalms 12:6-7).

 

[ReChoired]

No unopened unread Bible are alive.

I disagree, as the verse I cited is clear. That no one reads it, doesn't make it any less alive, just as truth ignored makes it any less truth, or light shunned any less light.

 

[ReChoired]

Without the Spirit the letter of the Bible is dead:

"[God] Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." II Cor 3:6

No, the text does not say what you said. It said the 'letter killeth', not that the letter itself is killed (dead). Without the Spirit "we" are dead, not the word of God. Remember, the words that Jesus speaks they "are" spirit and they "are" life. The word of God the Bible is living.

 

[shnarkle]

And the free will comes into play when choosing to live like a fish that can only swim as opposed to a fish that can also fly? Do the choice we have today is choosing between the old carnal nature to resurrect it, or the new nature reborn?

There is no choice. Neither Paul nor Christ refer to freedom to choose or free will when they refer to freedom or liberation. They are both referring to freedom from bondage, and that only comes by God's will, not ours.

The fish that swims is swimming because he is a fish. The fish that walks out of the sea is an amphibian, or it becomes a land based animal. It is a new creation. The new creation is created to walk on land. The new creation is created free from sin; not free to sin.

 

[shnarkle]

I wasn't making a point, yet. I was asking what 'you' make of the verse referred to:

Psa_14:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.​

Given that you are making no point, and you have no intention of presenting any reason for your post, I have no idea why you're asking me this question. I see no point in responding to it, especially because you have no point to begin with, and it doesn't seem to be relevant.

 

[amadeus]

Well, wouldn't you desire to know what God specifically defined as giving Him glory means? Homework for you, and let me know what your study in the scripture revealed, and we can then compare notes.

Start here:

Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.​

Ah but I have just a couple of days ago been impressed to take myself on a heavy trip through the Book of Revelation and related books in the Bible. I had hoped to start today, but being my birthday [76], my daughter and her family overwhelmed me by taking my wife and I out to dinner. I enjoyed it thoroughly but it put me behind schedule again. Being retired I thought that would never happen, but that is often not how things work. When I get to chapter 14, I will have your suggestion mind. Thank you for this.

 

[ReChoired]

I see no point in responding to it

Yet you just spent two non-attempts at addressing it.

 

[ReChoired]

Ah but I have just a couple of days ago been impressed to take myself on a heavy trip through the Book of Revelation and related books in the Bible. I had hoped to start today, but being my birthday [76], my daughter and her family overwhelmed me by taking my wife and I out to dinner. I enjoyed it thoroughly but it put me behind schedule again. Being retired I thought that would never happen, but that is often not how things work. When I get to chapter 14, I will have your suggestion mind. Thank you for this.

Sure, happy birthday (also).

Psa_90:12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.​

 

[amadeus]

I was actually speaking about God's perfectly preserved word in English (Psalms 12:6-7).

Perfectly preserved is the Word of God and the men who wrote it down were inspired as they did so. But it is God's perfect message to you or me that is preserved. How well can any man read it with understanding? The understanding of it is as was the writing according to the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in the person reading or hearing... which is NOT according to physical ear or mind. If it were those with the best ears and eyes and brains would necessarily always be those closest to God. That is man's way but surely NOT God's Way.

 

[shnarkle]

Yet you just spent two non-attempts at addressing it.

I didn't address it because it is a blatant wild goose chase. It's pointless. You just admitted you have no point. If you're just going to continue on with this instead of making a point, then I'll simply add you to the ignored list.

 

[amadeus]

I disagree, as the verse I cited is clear. That no one reads it, doesn't make it any less alive, just as truth ignored makes it any less truth, or light shunned any less light.

Was the body of Jesus not dead?
On this we stand apart, but God is still giving increases to people.

"Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee." Psalm 139:12

 

[ReChoired]

Was the body of Jesus not dead?
On this we stand apart, but God is still giving increases to people.

"Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee." Psalm 139:12

"Body" (us, flesh), not His word (spirit).

 

[amadeus]

No, the text does not say what you said. It said the 'letter killeth', not that the letter itself is killed (dead). Without the Spirit "we" are dead, not the word of God. Remember, the words that Jesus speaks they "are" spirit and they "are" life. The word of God the Bible is living.

If the Word is not alive in us, to us it is dead. Call the Bible Alive if you wish, but the result for you or me is the same without the Holy Spirit. Without the direction of the Holy Spirit are we not blind? If we are following a blind man, will we not fall into the same ditch with Him?

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23

"The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way." Psalm 37:23