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Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by ReChoired, Nov 26, 2019.

  1. ScottA

    ScottA Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like first love. Welcome back!
     
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    God stated, that He not only "inspired" men to write the scriptures, but that He would also "preserve" His word (see Psalms 12:6-7 for example). So, do you believe that God perfectly preserved His word somewhere on earth, and if so, does anyone have access to it? The subject is not about "primary" (our preference), but God's character and promise.
     
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    Does your 'God' have a name, and if so what is it?
     
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    I say I reserve the right not because while the word is used in scripture, people today, have already redefined it by their usage of it. My definition, if I had one, would simply be one seeking to be "Christ-like". I don't like to be lumped in with those who bear the label with little of no resemblance to Jesus and little no apparent movement toward Him.
     
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    What do you mean by "Christ" in "Christ-like"? What do you mean by "Jesus"?
     
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    You believe then that the wicked do not suffer eternally in unending torments (as Roman Catholicism and as Islam teach), but are brought to ashes after limited suffering?
     
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    Yes, I glanced into those links and saved them for reference myself. I am not an evolutionist, but neither am I a scientist although I have my own ideas about science, which a genuinely pure scientist might appreciate, but I don't know any of those. My beliefs on this are biblical although I have not categorized so neatly as you. I have my Bibles which I read and I have my notes on my computer which are tremendously long, since they consist of many of my own writings as well as of others of interest. My conclusions hopefully are God's, but I would not now even try to put them down like you did. They have changes since I was a Catholic more than once... yet my first encounter with God was when I officially became a Catholic at 6 years old when a priest baptized me.
     
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    Scriptural definition:

    Gen_3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

    Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
    Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
    Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

    Job_14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.

    Dan_12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

    In other words, those who die, whether in Christ or out, return to dust:

    Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.​

    Only in their respective resurrection are they awakened from the sleep of death.

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    OK, but I take things as they come and as God gives to me. Before I backslid I was working hard to get it all down just right. Since God allowed me to come back...or drew me back, I strive to follow Him by humble surrender.
     
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    Only to those who refuse the simple sayings of scripture is there "No simple answer", and make the complication themselves, for they are divided within themselves, having a God of no single standard and judgment for all creation. They either believe God's word, or are confused about God's word, or reject God's word:

    Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man (Hebrew: "Adam").
    Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
    Jesus said:

    Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

    Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.​
     
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    You are confused. You continually refer to what "I think" something means. This is counter to what I have continually stated, and it is insulting because it simply rejects what I have stated, and you substitute what I have not stated as defining my position. What "I think" is irrelevant. God's word defines itself, Genesis 40:8; 2 Peter 1:20, etc. I have no say in any definition. The 7th Day is the 7th day (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Isaiah 58:13; Mark 2:27-28, etc), and if a person is not keeping that Holy as God expressly, plainly commanded, then they are not keeping the commandment, nor the day Holy, but do their own thing, and have a law of their own, their own 'truth' apart from God, being self-righteous. God's definition (see texts cited) is the standard, not I.
     
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    Thank you for your simplicity. I guess I am simple in a sense, but I do believe in God. I do believe that what is written in the Bible was written as God inspired the writers. I move cautiously about condemning others for where they are or where they are not, as I do not know all things and I have not yet overcome all of the world as I see it, not yet... But God is still working on me.
     
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    A "Millennialist" (aka chiliast) believes that the 1,000 years of Revelation 20; Isaiah 14, etc are literally and naturally 1,000 years, without any symbolism attached. In this instance, the belief carries with it, the scriptural teaching that this 1,000 years will be (in main) spent in Heaven by the saints, not be spent upon the earth (in brief):

    [1] The “thousand years” reign “in Heaven” [Psalms 50:5; Matthew 5:3,8,10,12, 6:20, 13:30, 24:31; Mark 10:21, 13:27; Luke 6:23, 18:22, 23:43; John 14:2-3, 17:24; Colossians 1:5; Hebrews 10:34; 1 Peter 1:4; Revelation 7:9, 14:3, 19:1; “Paradise”, Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 12:4; Revelation 2:7] with Christ Jesus [1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; Revelation 20:6] and

    [2] The “reign on earth” [“made new”, not this sin polluted Earth; 2 Peter 3:13; Isaiah 65:17, 66:22; Revelation 21:1] that lasts “forever and ever” [Revelation 5:10; “meek inherit earth” [“made new”, not this sin polluted Earth], Psalms 37:9,11,34; Proverbs 11:31; Isaiah 25:8, 65:21; Daniel 7:27; Matthew 5:5; Revelation 5:10].​
     
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    Finally, a good and clear answer. Thank you.
     
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    Look up into Heaven, and see the stars? God has created life on those other worlds near such stars before mankind was ever created, and those worlds and creations are unfallen (without sin), as scripture details:

    The unfallen “worlds”, and the unfallen beings therein which “went not astray”, being “just persons, which need no repentance”:

    Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

    Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

    Side note, those of man-kind, which are in Christ Jesus, are the 'aliens' to the wicked, for we are the very strangers and pilgrims [Satan has counterfeited and reversed this] in the universe. In reverse, the unfallen worlds are the natural, and sinners are the unnatural, thus are alienated from God:

    Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.​

    We are that one lost world, whom the Son of God, 'Jesus', left the '99' for in Heaven to come and save us, that he might come from that “far country” (Isaiah 13:5) and deliver us, and “return home” with us, that we may once again have a “place” among those “many mansions”:

    Matthew 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

    Matthew 18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

    Matthew 18:13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that [sheep], than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.

    Luke 15:4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

    Luke 15:5 And when he hath found [it], he layeth [it] on his shoulders, rejoicing.

    Luke 15:6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together [his] friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

    Luke 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

    John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

    John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

    (God spreadeth out the heavens as a tent, a house, and thus the planets are individual rooms therein, or mansions therein in which to dwell)​

    John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.

    John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.​
     
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    Briefly I do not embrace any kind of a three in one God. I embrace one God. What I believe, is only a belief. My knowledge is that God exists. I studied this thing for years and discussed it in too much depth with too many people on this and other forums. I have talked to God about it many times. I won't get into an in depth discussion with you on it here. I believe in God the Father. I believe that Jesus His Son is also God, but the Holy Spirit is not separate entity nor a connected part of any trio, or triune or trinity. Rather the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost is a special manifestation of the Father. If God is multiple in any way, I would lean more toward a duality than a trinity, but I also won't call that absolute. God is what He is. I believe in Him and I ask Him to let me what He knows that I need to know when I need to know it. Me writing a lengthy dissertation on what I believe or know is not going to change what God is or what He not.
     
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    Another good and clear answer. Thank you. Do you then believe that the gift of prophecy and/or prophets still exists in this our day among those gifts that continue?

    Have you personally tested sister White as one who has claimed that gift? If so, how?
     
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    I think I answered your questions on this point on another post on this thread already. We disagree and that is OK. Not everyone is at the same place on the highway of holiness toward becoming like Him. Not everyone is to have precisely the same function in the Body of Christ. What is written in our hearts by the Holy Spirit is what matters. I am glad that God gave men written Bibles, but let us leave that for the moment.
     
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    Number 18 is dealing with physical resurrection, not spiritual rebirth (resurrection, which is also believed). So, do you not believe in physical resurrections to come?

    E: [a special resurrection, some righteous, some wicked - to witness Christ coming in Power in Glory to fulfill His Word] Daniel 12:1-3,12; Matthew 26:64; Mark 14:62; Revelation 1:7, 14:13

    F: [[first great] resurrection [of the saints, just, life, before/at start of the 1000 years when Christ Jesus returns in Power and Glory], raised] 1 Samuel 2:6; Job 14:12-14, 19:26; Hosea 13:14; Matthew 22:31; Mark 12:18,23,25; Luke 14:14, 20:35,36; John 5:29a, 6:25,28,29,39,40,44,54, 11:24,25; Acts 4:2, 17:31,32, 23:6, 24:15a,21; Romans 6:5,8, 8:11; 1 Corinthians 15:12,13,16,20,21,23,29,32,35,42,43,52-55; Philippians 3:10,11; Colossians 3:3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 2 Timothy 2:18, 4:1; Hebrews 6:2, 11:35; Revelation 20:5b,6; [All the Holy "Clouds" of Angels [the "reapers"] with Him] Psalms 68:17, 104:3; Isaiah 66:15; Matthew 13:39,49, 16:27, 24:30, 25:31,51, 26:64; Mark 8:38, 13:27; Luke 9:26, 21:27; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Thessalonians 3:13, 4:16-17; Hebrews 1:7; Revelation 1:7, 12:7

    H: [[second great] resurrection [of the wicked, unjust, damnation, at the end/close of the 1000 years, when Christ Jesus and all of the Saints [then immortal] descend to Earth in New Jerusalem upon the Mount of Olives, and the Great White Throne Judgment takes place; Zechariah 14; Revelation 20]] John 5:29b; Acts 17:31, 24:15b; Revelation 20:5a​
     
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