Who is Jesus?

[bbyrd009]

We like to think the Jesus we are taught is at least pretty close, but what if its not?

What if "Jesus (=Joshua, the most common name in the world then apparently) of Nazareth (can anything good come from Nazareth?)" means something completely different from what they told us?

 

[bbyrd009]

Yes, indeed that is the question but so many has a fixed answer to even that question [AT =Absolute Truth] and presume that having him [so they say or believe] they don't need another thing. This is one of the problems with OSAS as I see it.

To me to stand in that perfect place [as did Job in Job 1:1] is possible in a moment with God. The problem with that is we must be like running water in order to remain alive and keep things alive. Still water will eventually become stagnant or like the Dead Sea will be so salty that nothing can live in it. This is perhaps the biggest trouble I have with OSAS

Jesus as Apollos, i think. Seems like all of the elements are there anyway

 

[bbyrd009]

And where is Jesus?
"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are." John 17:11

 

[Enoch111]

...something completely different from what they told us...

The Jesus of the Bible is all you need to concern yourself with. So if you want to know who is Jesus just study the Gospels.

 

[amadeus]

The Jesus of the Bible is all you need to concern yourself with. So if you want to know who is Jesus just study the Gospels.

The problem with this is that some people have indeed studied the Bible with the wrong spirit [not the Holy Spirit] and came up with very different results from probably most members of this forum.

But even those who are Bible readers and students and proclaim earnestly their belief in Jesus are like apostle Paul here when he includes himself in that "we":

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Cor 13:12

 

[mjrhealth]

Christ is with all men, as to whether many walk with Him, that is up to them, He turns His back on no one.

 

[Windmill Charge]

We like to think the Jesus we are taught is at least pretty close, but what if its not?

What if "Jesus (=Joshua, the most common name in the world then apparently) of Nazareth (can anything good come from Nazareth?)" means something completely different from what they told us?

And what if it is correct.
One needs a reason and evidence to doubt before asking questions etc.

 

[bbyrd009]

And what if it is correct.
One needs a reason and evidence to doubt before asking questions etc.

well im sure Cassini said the same thing; ill hafta go dig up his story, tonight i guess

 

[Taken]

Who is Jesus? <-- OP

The Word of God "manifested" on Earth in the LIKENESS "AS" a HUMAN Earthly man...called Jesus, Lord, Teacher.

Phil 2: [8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

1 John 1: [2] (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us:

Also;

The Power of God "revealed" WHILE on Earth...called Christ, Messiah, Savior.

John 10: [30] I and my Father are one.

1 Cor 1: [24] But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Also;

God "With us"...
called God, Son of God, Spirit, Truth, Life, Way, (Intercessory), FOR human earthly men TO BE, "With Him".

Matt 1: [23] Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[brakelite]

I spent 24 years of my life believing in a particular Jesus... But understood very little and did not know Him... We had never met.
At age 24 I invited Him to change life and turn it into something He could attach His name to. That was the night I met Him. Over the subsequent years and much Bible study, I haven't found anything in scripture that conflicted with the person and the character I met so long ago.
But sure, there are no doubt many who are teaching a different Jesus, but those who know Him hear His voice. And they know who the liars are.

 

[bbyrd009]

I spent 24 years of my life believing in a particular Jesus... But understood very little and did not know Him... We had never met.
At age 24 I invited Him to change life and turn it into something He could attach His name to. That was the night I met Him. Over the subsequent years and much Bible study, I haven't found anything in scripture that conflicted with the person and the character I met so long ago.
But sure, there are no doubt many who are teaching a different Jesus, but those who know Him hear His voice. And they know who the liars are.

lotta ppl know a lotta stuff i guess huh
what "different Jesus" do you hear being taught?

 

[bbyrd009]

The Jesus of the Bible is all you need to concern yourself with. So if you want to know who is Jesus just study the Gospels.

i've been thinking acouple days how to respond here; i think its fair to say that we get our initial impression of Jesus by cultural absorption, and then Paul's wolves more or less make sure we become twice the sons of hell with seven worse spirits, just like Scripture says?

or may i ask why you say that, in that manner?
Which do you believe you are; God, or Caesar?

 

[bbyrd009]

The Power of God "revealed" WHILE on Earth...called Christ, Messiah, Savior.

you do realize that those were all Caesar's titles first, right?

Son of God

Caesar :)

Matt 1: [23] Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

interesting that you chose i guess the only translation that xlates "a virgin" rather than "the virgin," who was of course vastly famous in the ancient world, a household word even. Might do to contemplate how "the virgin" would have been heard by them, or even "virgin" period maybe

 

[bbyrd009]

And what if it is correct.
One needs a reason and evidence to doubt before asking questions etc.

twice the sons of hell you are and
seven worse spirits
seem compelling enough to me, esp along with the copious other Scriptural clues, but maybe the story of Cassini, whom we still name crap after, might be a good reflection:

"In 1676 an anomaly in the orbit of Io, Jupiter's innermost moon, led the astronomer Ole Roemer to make a very specific prediction. Io would appear from behind Jupiter at 5:37 pm on November 9, 1676, he said--and that would prove light travels with a finite speed. Roemer's mentor, Jean-Dominique Cassini, head of the Paris Observatory, rubbished the idea; light spread instantaneously, he said. His beliefs () led him to a different prediction. According to Cassini, it would be 5:27 when Io appeared.

Io appeared at 5:37 and 49 seconds. On hearing of this, Cassini announced that the facts fit with the story he had presented (faith). Although Cassini had made his (erroneous) prediction at a public gathering of scientists, not one of them demurred when he denied it; they all backed him up. Roemer had to wait fifty years (my bold) to be vindicated; only after Cassini had died did scientists accept that the speed of light was finite."
https://books.google.com/books?id=oP4AU5ACcU0C&pg=PA204&lpg=PA204&dq=In+1676+an+anomaly+in+the+orbit+of+Io,+Jupiter%27s+innermost+moon,&source=bl&ots=5Y-jeFwhU-&sig=EBRVx6_x_hQeRS0OzGmbD34Pw1M&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjm1d2xucfTAhWMNSYKHeuDCx0Q6AEIJjAA#v=onepage&q=In%201676%20an%20anomaly%20in%20the%20orbit%20of%20Io%2C%20Jupiter's%20innermost%20moon%2C&f=false

 

[bbyrd009]

Still think Jesus died for your sins? Then why cant you Quote that?

 

[brakelite]

lotta ppl know a lotta stuff i guess huh
what "different Jesus" do you hear being taught?

When I was growing up in Catholicism the Jesus I was being taught was a far off unknowable austere guy who could not be approached directly but could be convinced to be kind and merciful by His mother.
On television I hear about a Jesus who will do anything for you if you ask. Give you money, fame, power, health, on just one condition so long as you believe.
Then of course there's the Jesus who welcomes anyone into heaven...the Jesus who burns people first then let's them in... The Jesus who decided before creation who He was going to let in to the exclusion of all others... And finally the Jesus who started all this mess and them took off somewhere and left us to sort it out for ourselves.

 

[mjrhealth]

Still think Jesus died for your sins? Then why cant you Quote that?

I know Jesus died for my sins, without doubt without question.

 

[Taken]

Taken said - Christ, Messiah, Savior.

you do realize that those were all Caesar's titles first, right?

Roman leadership "titles" were established by the Statesmen and Warriors and Adopted sons of leaders , who rose up to leadership positions "and" By what the common people Under their governing power would call "the leaders".

Emperor was the official Title of A Roman Leader, and the LAND acquired, conquered or controlled was called The Empire.

Julius adopted the name CAESAR as his Family last name.
This Established the Roman Empire as a type of Monarchy; Having the ruling power of the Emperorship position seemingly under ONE (royal) family "Name".

It didn't matter who was to succeed Julius,
(a Natural son, nephew, wife's cousin, a great Warrior), the successor would Assume the position of Emperor, and take on the Adoptive last Name "Caesar".

The People, identified their "leader" as CAESAR; Emperor, protector, lord, king, ruler....(and probably a whole host of other names/titles said under their breath in private).

The Roman People exalted "their" leader/Emperor/head of "their" Government "AS" their "supreme" "god"...

(And BTW, millions of people of the world, Continue to Exalt and Rely ON "their" Governments to BE their "supreme" god...
In Every sense of the meaning of "A" god...
To BE a sort of Daddy...to provide and protect them... AS daddy's do with their little children, who can NOT or WILL not provide and protect themselves.)

Caesar :)

Already noted, Roman People called their Emperor Caesar, that Julius established as his name to be carried on with succeeding Emperors of The Roman Empire.

Noting also, Jesus was not "given" nor "Adopted" a last name, or Title of Caesar.

interesting that you chose i guess the only translation that xlates "a virgin" rather than "the virgin," who was of course vastly famous in the ancient world, a household word even. Might do to contemplate how "the virgin" would have been heard by them, or even "virgin" period maybe

"A" virgin was a prophetic foretelling.
"A" virgin became "The" virgin after the prophetic virgin was revealed...and the Prophecy thus Fulfilled.

How one language from another SAID or wrote the word virgin doesn't concern me.
The POINT is a matter of a female human that has NOT had a sexual relation with a human man.

How men attempt or succeed in dominating other men and their possessions and habitat is of no secret to God.

God's message by and through His Word is about How human men can Voluntarily Give God Him dominance Over their life...and the precise expectation for Any human man who Voluntarily makes such a decision and commitment.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

sorry, if you break the software you make it impossible to carry on a convo;
and wadr looks like you wanted to preach or lecture anyway. Might even be some good points in there, dont get me wrong, but i dont see anything addressing my points, in conversation iow, wadr, except a few superior dismissals that i will acknowledge, to what end idk;

"Noting also, Jesus was not "given" nor "Adopted" a last name, or Title of Caesar."
note all you like, but absent any Support all you are really doing wadr is taking up server space i guess. Jesus seems to have very likely been given or adopted the titles of Caesar, based upon the evidence. Pharaohs had all the same titles i guess, and this can easily be verified.

"The POINT is a matter of a female human that has NOT had a sexual relation with a human man."
that is the point as far as you are concerned maybe, but likely not as far as they were concerned, although i certainly do not know, and you may believe what you like, and even deem it "truth" if that suits you ok

what remains is that the ppl back then, virtually all of them, would have probably made an immediate association with Athena, rather than some new pagan Catholic goddess that we have been given, and imo even the meaning of the name "Mary" makes this pretty plain, which any etymology will define i guess...im not finding any of them in serious disagreement? Mary reps rebellion, bitter or more likely strong, from myrrh, from Hebrew, and only comes to mean "beloved" via the Egyptian etymology, lol

are you aware of the dunning-krueger effect, Taken, bc imo that is the convo we should prolly be having ok

When I was growing up in Catholicism the Jesus I was being taught was a far off unknowable austere guy who could not be approached directly but could be convinced to be kind and merciful by His mother.
On television I hear about a Jesus who will do anything for you if you ask. Give you money, fame, power, health, on just one condition so long as you believe.
Then of course there's the Jesus who welcomes anyone into heaven...the Jesus who burns people first then let's them in... The Jesus who decided before creation who He was going to let in to the exclusion of all others... And finally the Jesus who started all this mess and them took off somewhere and left us to sort it out for ourselves.

nice imo, yeh, i met all those guys myself. So, if those are Whom Jesus isnt, then Who is He iyo?

um, that last guy btw, we might examine that a little bit, the Jesus Who started all this mess? Same story i was given, too, but really didnt the Romans start it, and Jesus finished it? Or maybe even the other Jews started it, dunno; kinda depends what "it" is i guess. But of course we get like forced into this "religious" frame of mind before we even start talking about it, huh, "I came that you might have church, and more abundantly" or something like that?

 

[bbyrd009]

I know Jesus died for my sins, without doubt without question.

i know you cannot Quote that bro, without doubt or question either, but i am not interested in a pointless pissing match, ok; i am mostly interested in why you cannot Quote that
Bible Search: Jesus died for our sins

so again, no offense ok, but a lotta ppl say they know a lotta stuff, any chance we could discuss what you dont know? Btw dunning-krueger, remember?

We're all enamored of these "indisputable facts," huh, that really do not exist at all, except in our minds. I submit that you know no such thing, and are merely scared "God" is going to zap you or something?