CharismaticLady
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does a non believer desire to do the Law?
They love darkness.
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does a non believer desire to do the Law?
...we are saved, that is, saved from eternal death. If Jesus freed us from sin--which He did--we must still die our due, death in order to be raised in the Resurrection of Life at his Coming Again.If Jesus frees us from sin,
But those in Romans 7 were UNDER the law. They still had the carnal nature of sin. If Jesus frees us from sin, then the deeper laws are written on your heart, and you have a completely different nature. Not one that sins and needs Commandments to show them.
mjrhealth....your handle I'm assuming is an abbreviation of major health?? Health does not thank God for his perfect sacrifice ie, Jesus keeping God's Law for us only to give permission to us to break it while appealing to his grace. Doing this is devious and self deceptive and anything but healthy....God will not be fooled by such brazenness.No I have told you the truth, you dont Keep the law, you may work at it, but you will always fail at it, so to say you do makes you a liar, and so you have sinned and broken the law. so keep at it and trample Gods grace underfoot as so many choose to do. There are none perfect and I certainly am not perfect, and no, you never needed an excuse to sin so you dont need one now.
yes, thats right....Now, reading Romans 7 is that the confession of one who loves darkness?....I don't think soThey love darkness.
yes, thats right....Now, reading Romans 7 is that the confession of one who loves darkness?....I don't think so
Hmm so now its all the stops, does the truth offend you that much, should I lay some more down before you.mjrhealth....your handle I'm assuming is an abbreviation of major health?? Health does not thank God for his perfect sacrifice ie, Jesus keeping God's Law for us only to give permission to us to break it while appealing to his grace. Doing this is devious and self deceptive and anything but healthy....God will not be fooled by such brazenness.
Paul is talking of himself in the present tenseThat is a Jew that has knowledge of the Law, but is trying to keep it with their carnal nature, and without the Spirit. From chapter one this teaching is leading up to chapter 8.
Misrepresent Scripture, what was it Christ5 said of the religious and the pharisees,I'm sorry you cannot see my point. You make charges totally unfounded and it is all because you do not see. You turn the scripture to say what it is not saying by deliberately misunderstanding its intent so that it shores up your misconception.
The same situation applied with Jesus and the religious leaders of his day....they chose not to see because it didn't suit their agenda. their pride ensured they had their reward already.
I am done trying to clarify the matter to one who chooses to misrepresent the scripture.
Paul is talking of himself in the present tense
Early Christians continued to pray and rest on the seventh day, and observe the Sabbath. But apostasy began to creep in the church, especially at Rome and by the 2nd century AD you start to find were some began to hold both, and soon a number of Christians affected by the spreading apostasy were observing only Sunday and not the Sabbath.
Take a look...https://www.christianitytoday.com/hi...turday-to.html
Notice they don't know why but just throw out "because the Resurrection and the beginning of Creation had both occurred on the first day of the week" But at Creation it was the seventh day that was made sanctified and made holy and clearly Christ rested on the Sabbath and then came up on Sunday.
This was the first idea that was spread around to find a way to set aside or disregard the Sabbath, and set another day. So did Christ rise and tell the Disciples something that was not in scripture or was it written down and somehow got lost, God doesnt work that way. Now people began to say 'I keep Sunday in honor of the Resurrection' or that they were told that the Apostles began keeping Sunday as the day of worship after the resurrection for a variety of reasons, but did they. No, the early church clearly kept the Sabbath.
So is there any chance the resurrection somehow cause a change to the day of worship? Well, worship is the reason for the Sabbath and it is the only day God ever gave us to worship Him on. That which God gives us is the truth and we are to believe it and obey it, especially when its straight from His Word. It tells us, "Sanctify them through Thy truth: Thy Word is truth."John 17:17 and we read, "Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit."1 Peter 1:22.
It is not safe to refuse obedience to the obvious truths of God’s Word. "He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination." Proverbs 28:9.
So what does the clear Word of God tell us when men come up with changes to what God has given us, or bring in tradition which go against Gods Law. "We ought to obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29.
So does the resurrection change the day of the Sabbath, well the problem is that God never told anyone to keep Sunday in honor of the resurrection of Christ, or for any other reason. Lets go over them and see...
There was only one Christ ever gave usAll the commandments are in the new testament. If there are some that sound like the law of Moses, they are not if they are commanded in the new testament.
You won't find a scripture saying that though huh. But you will find this...Love overrides everything.
I am saying he sees the weakness in his own flesh which is perishing and gives thanks that in Jesus there is no condemnation. Does this give him licence to ignore the Ten C's?....certainly not.So you believe Paul is saying he is not free from the law of sin and death?
I am saying he sees the weakness in his own flesh which is perishing and gives thanks that in Jesus there is no condemnation. Does this give him licence to ignore the Ten C's?....certainly not.
It sounds a muddled CL.You didn't read Romans 8:1-9 very well. His "weakness" in Romans 7 was BEFORE receiving the empowering Spirit. It is the Spirit that frees us from SIN, that was the need for the law in the first place. This is why we are not under the law. We no longer have to deal with the flesh as long as we walk in the Spirit. The Spirit keeps the moral laws alive in our hearts and we have no desire to break them.
The righteous requirements of the law are kept through the Spirit. That is the result of what Christ did and is our New Covenant, with a new sign of the covenant. The covenant is based on the blood of Jesus, thus the sign of our New Covenant is the Cup of the New Covenant 1 Corinthians 11:25. The laws of the New Covenant make the Old Covenant with its sign of its covenant, the Sabbath, null and void.
Why am I not surprised, just surprised it took you so long. I was rather bemused the other day, when you gave me a like when i mention something about, just another religion like all the other religions, and your religion is just the same as all the others. And ever religion has there thing that they add to salvation that keeps men in captivity and makes them slaves of there religion, the very same reason i knew that other lady was SDA though she said she left. You can take a person out of religion, its hard to get religion out of the person.You won't find a scripture saying that though huh. But you will find this...
KJV Romans 13
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
That expression, briefly comprehended, doesn't mean the law is overruled by love, but rather it means the keeping and honouring of the law is accomplished by love. If you are loving, them you are keeping Jesus commandments, including the ones He gave to Moses on those stone tablets. And as John said,
KJV 1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
It sounds a muddled CL.
Do you now have no propensity to sin now that you have the spirit and the moral law is in your heart? Do you not sin at all?....
If both of your answers are no to these questions then surely there is a muddle and you are out of step with John in his first letter 1 John 1:8.
If your answers are yes, there is self deception disabling your vision.