LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

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Lol, maybe if you spoke English you would get more answers... we all live in a Land of laws. Probably because history has shown us the alternative, some of us become beasts with out laws.
I think, speak, write, in English; it just happens to be English you have never encountered before. I can and will do just fine without ''answers'' from persons who are insufficiently educated and,insufficiently reflective to be able to understand, and, insufficiently tutored not to answer without becoming insulting and without arguing against the man,instead of his position!
Once again, I am not advocating that you run out and start rampaging against laws, I am simply pointing out why language of law is not an efficacy among men, which, reflective persons could, if they think about it, use to understand why we have so much ''crime'', and, set out on a road to dissolving the crime problem via a different perspective...
 

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I think, speak, write, in English; it just happens to be English you have never encountered before. I can and will do just fine without ''answers'' from persons who are insufficiently educated and,insufficiently reflective to be able to understand, and, insufficiently tutored not to answer without becoming insulting and without arguing against the man,instead of his position!

I am sure at some point in your education that you have found others like yourself, had to put things in layman's terms for others to understand.

Your attempt below is an example, so thank you for that.

Once again, I am not advocating that you run out and start rampaging against laws, I am simply pointing out why language of law is not an efficacy among men, which, reflective persons could, if they think about it, use to understand why we have so much ''crime'', and, set out on a road to dissolving the crime problem via a different perspective...

I admit I had to look up the word "efficacy".

If I understood this last post of yours correctly, from my belief perspective, the sin nature is why mankind breaks the law. If you had read Paul's words in Romans 7th chapter for how he was under the law before going into the 8th for how he was as a saved believer and then in Philippians 3:1-16 as how he considered all he had achieved under the law as dung, we can see the futility of striving to be religious in exerting our will power to be good and to do good because of Paul's or rather "Saul's" sinful nature while he was under the law as a Jew. Now saved and converted, Saul became Paul as a new creature in Christ filled with the Holy Ghost and able to follow Jesus by trusting Him as His Good Shepherd to help him lay aside every weight & sin in his daily walk with the Lord Jesus Christ and God the Father in fellowship. Hebrews 12:1-2 & 1 John 1:3-10

So the only hope for mankind in dealing with his sinful nature is to call on Jesus Christ to save them from their sins rather than looking to the law.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure....8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen

I am not sure how your faith deals with the fallen nature of mankind because no matter how much the spirit is willing, the flesh is weak, therefore what is impossible with man, is possible with God. I hope you learn of Jesus Christ today through His words.
 

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I am sure at some point in your education that you have found others like yourself, had to put things in layman's terms for others to understand.

Your attempt below is an example, so thank you for that.



I admit I had to look up the word "efficacy".

If I understood this last post of yours correctly, from my belief perspective, the sin nature is why mankind breaks the law. If you had read Paul's words in Romans 7th chapter for how he was under the law before going into the 8th for how he was as a saved believer and then in Philippians 3:1-16 as how he considered all he had achieved under the law as dung, we can see the futility of striving to be religious in exerting our will power to be good and to do good because of Paul's or rather "Saul's" sinful nature while he was under the law as a Jew. Now saved and converted, Saul became Paul as a new creature in Christ filled with the Holy Ghost and able to follow Jesus by trusting Him as His Good Shepherd to help him lay aside every weight & sin in his daily walk with the Lord Jesus Christ and God the Father in fellowship. Hebrews 12:1-2 & 1 John 1:3-10

So the only hope for mankind in dealing with his sinful nature is to call on Jesus Christ to save them from their sins rather than looking to the law.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure....8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen

I am not sure how your faith deals with the fallen nature of mankind because no matter how much the spirit is willing, the flesh is weak, therefore what is impossible with man, is possible with God. I hope you learn of Jesus Christ today through His words.
Oh I thought we were just discussing totally random concepts... If we're allowed to bring Bible into it that's a whole nother deal.

No, we can't perfectly obey the law, but that doesn't mean the law has no point.
Scripturally, the point of the law is to point us to Christ. In the secular world the point of the law is to stave off anarchy.
God created order, we introduced chaos. Well, actually Satan did.
 
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I am sure at some point in your education that you have found others like yourself, had to put things in layman's terms for others to understand.

Your attempt below is an example, so thank you for that.



I admit I had to look up the word "efficacy".

If I understood this last post of yours correctly, from my belief perspective, the sin nature is why mankind breaks the law. If you had read Paul's words in Romans 7th chapter for how he was under the law before going into the 8th for how he was as a saved believer and then in Philippians 3:1-16 as how he considered all he had achieved under the law as dung, we can see the futility of striving to be religious in exerting our will power to be good and to do good because of Paul's or rather "Saul's" sinful nature while he was under the law as a Jew. Now saved and converted, Saul became Paul as a new creature in Christ filled with the Holy Ghost and able to follow Jesus by trusting Him as His Good Shepherd to help him lay aside every weight & sin in his daily walk with the Lord Jesus Christ and God the Father in fellowship. Hebrews 12:1-2 & 1 John 1:3-10

So the only hope for mankind in dealing with his sinful nature is to call on Jesus Christ to save them from their sins rather than looking to the law.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure....8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen

I am not sure how your faith deals with the fallen nature of mankind because no matter how much the spirit is willing, the flesh is weak, therefore what is impossible with man, is possible with God. I hope you learn of Jesus Christ today through His words.
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'...others like yourself, had to put things in layman's terms for others to understand.'' Perhaps, however, I have to use the terms which the scholarly world of existential ontology employs in order to begin to expose and to begin to educate others regarding a contemporary view of how human action originates, and, you, like another just did with 'efficacy', have to get out the dictionary...I am reducing my propositions to the lowest level of which I am capable of achieving...I am just so totally imbued with the scholarly language that I cannot readily employ that which I have transcended...the Apostle Paul employed a different language after encountering Christ, and, you still ponder over Paul and sometimes wonder what he means...I am a new man in my own right...
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Oh I thought we were just discussing totally random concepts... If we're allowed to bring Bible into it that's a whole nother deal.

No, we can't perfectly obey the law, but that doesn't mean the law has no point.
Scripturally, the point of the law is to point us to Christ. In the secular world the point of the law is to stave off anarchy.
God created order, we introduced chaos. Well, actually Satan did.
Once again, I will refer to what Thomas Paine described as the state of affairs immediately after the American Revolution when there was no law. He said all was tranquil, because commerce had to proceed so that people could live; you presume, perhaps incorrectly, that chaos will necessarily ensue absent law...we have mass murder daily in America, law has not obviated mass murder in America.
 

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Oh I thought we were just discussing totally random concepts... If we're allowed to bring Bible into it that's a whole nother deal.

No, we can't perfectly obey the law, but that doesn't mean the law has no point.
Scripturally, the point of the law is to point us to Christ. In the secular world the point of the law is to stave off anarchy.
God created order, we introduced chaos. Well, actually Satan did.
''Scripturally, the point of the law is to point us to Christ.'' The law in intended to be surpassed through Christ, nonetheless, Christianity has made the New Testament a whole new code of law, and, law is not efficient to destroy all power, dominion, and authority, which is among Christ's objectives...Toughminded reason is efficient to destroy law, whereupon all power dominion and authority are established, and, I have done precisely such a destruction, strictly on the theoretical plane, which is the only way to accomplish the objective, i.e., via rational and accurate ontological theory set forth in opposition to the mistaken scientistic materialist causalistic theory employed by jurisprudence, wherein human beings are seen as mere matter set in motion or rest, by the movent force of law...
I am attempting to make sure I have read all of your replies so that I am not rude and fail to answer, but, you keep responding rapid-fire, which is fine, however...
 
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Once again, I will refer to what Thomas Paine described as the state of affairs immediately after the American Revolution when there was no law. He said all was tranquil, because commerce had to proceed so that people could live; you presume, perhaps incorrectly, that chaos will necessarily ensue absent law...we have mass murder daily in America, law has not obviated mass murder in America.
More people, more murders. I would have to see specific information that says there were statistically less killings per capita then to believe it.
So you're promoting anarchy?
 

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''Following'' law is, for the most part, doing absolutely nothing. That you choose to do nothing in regard to making comment concerning a particular female anatomical feature,is a particular instance of doing nothing, and, cannot necessarily be deemed to be obeying law, when, it is simply an instance of you're doing nothing. I would say it is your inborn ontological sense of decency in operation and you are living-out your personal project to never be indecent to young female beings.

I am questioning the notion that a human being can ''follow'' law, which following is purportedly grounded upon a language of law which, in itself, cannot move persons to do or not do actions/inactions. A human being cannot actually follow law, because law is a given and human conduct does not originate on the basis of givens, only on the basis on desideratum...and, in no case can a given in fact be the reason for one's acts.
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so then really a diff perception--that of avoiding the boundaries of the law, rather than "following" it per se--might serve quite well, seems like the physical laws would be an exception tho, you follow the physical laws or you die, pretty much. i suggest that the civil ones we say we "follow" when we more or less "avoid violating," which isnt the same?
 

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Scripturally, the point of the law is to point us to Christ.'' The law in intended to be surpassed through Christ, nonetheless, Christianity has made the New Testament a whole new code of law, and, law is not efficient to destroy all power, dominion, and authority, which is among Christ's objectives...
Not everyone is in tune with the Spirit, so of course we still have the chaos bringer doing his thing. And even those that do have the spirit are not perfect. We will never experience total peace on this Earth until Christ reigns.
 
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'...others like yourself, had to put things in layman's terms for others to understand.'' Perhaps, however, I have to use the terms which the scholarly world of existential ontology employs in order to begin to expose and to begin to educate others regarding a contemporary view of how human action originates, and, you, like you just did with 'efficacy', have to get out the dictionary...I am reducing my propositions to the lowest level of which I am capable of achieving...I am just so totally imbued with the scholarly language that I cannot readily employ that which I have transcended...the Apostle Paul employed a different language after encountering Christ, and, you still ponder over Paul and sometimes wonder what he means...I am a new man in my own right...

I can understand that.

A word of advise though.. as most people do not like to read long posts even with scripture, it stands to reason to try to summarize your talking points into a short post if that is at all possible. I realize that at the opening post that may not be possible when you wish to convey fully all the talking points for the discussion so as to cover everything without leaving the reader to question it or ask for clarification, but it can still happen.

Anyway, thank you for sharing and for understanding.

A question; what is your answer to the law failing the societies of mankind?
 

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Once again, I will refer to what Thomas Paine described as the state of affairs immediately after the American Revolution when there was no law. He said all was tranquil, because commerce had to proceed so that people could live; you presume, perhaps incorrectly, that chaos will necessarily ensue absent law...we have mass murder daily in America, law has not obviated mass murder in America.

Or anywhere else for that matter. In a theocracy like an Islamic countries, genocide happens here and there but the government shows no concern for those terroristic acts of cleansing.

I still say the problem is man's fallen nature as sinners and the answer is Jesus Christ.
 

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I am sure at some point in your education that you have found others like yourself, had to put things in layman's terms for others to understand.

Your attempt below is an example, so thank you for that.



I admit I had to look up the word "efficacy".

If I understood this last post of yours correctly, from my belief perspective, the sin nature is why mankind breaks the law. If you had read Paul's words in Romans 7th chapter for how he was under the law before going into the 8th for how he was as a saved believer and then in Philippians 3:1-16 as how he considered all he had achieved under the law as dung, we can see the futility of striving to be religious in exerting our will power to be good and to do good because of Paul's or rather "Saul's" sinful nature while he was under the law as a Jew. Now saved and converted, Saul became Paul as a new creature in Christ filled with the Holy Ghost and able to follow Jesus by trusting Him as His Good Shepherd to help him lay aside every weight & sin in his daily walk with the Lord Jesus Christ and God the Father in fellowship. Hebrews 12:1-2 & 1 John 1:3-10

So the only hope for mankind in dealing with his sinful nature is to call on Jesus Christ to save them from their sins rather than looking to the law.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure....8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen

I am not sure how your faith deals with the fallen nature of mankind because no matter how much the spirit is willing, the flesh is weak, therefore what is impossible with man, is possible with God. I hope you learn of Jesus Christ today through His words.
''So the only hope for mankind in dealing with his sinful nature is to call on Jesus Christ to save them from their sins rather than looking to the law.''
Man is free; which means he has no absolute set nature, though he has ontological characteristics, of which freedom is primemost.

Under the rubric ''sin'' Jehovah and Christ have placed everything which man does except obeying Jehovah/Christ. Every human ontological characteristic is otherwise banned/forbidden/ condemned as sin; while, all the while, instead of rejecting our human ontological structure and making our various conduct capacities unlawful, we can, instead, employ our ontological structure in order to raise ourselves to the higher dignity/nobility that we are aleady made to be, in God's image; if we are God's image, we ought live therein, in order to efficiently maintain a civil civilization. Jehovah kills/killed misbehaved men. He killed Christ as a means of saving man; so, killing is an efficacy, a sin, which we cannot sensibly quit, for it serves as a tool to attain and maintain civil civilization.
''A question; what is your answer to the law failing the societies of mankind?''
I have just given the essence of my answer in the last paragraph above, i.e., to embrace our ontological structure, instead of continually rejecting and hiding therefrom via law...
 

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''So the only hope for mankind in dealing with his sinful nature is to call on Jesus Christ to save them from their sins rather than looking to the law.''
Man is free; which means he has no absolute set nature, though he has ontological characteristics, of which freedom is primemost.

Under the rubric ''sin'' Jehovah and Christ have placed everything which man does except obeying Jehovah/Christ. Every human ontological characteristic is otherwise banned/forbidden/ condemned as sin; while, all the while, instead of rejecting our human ontological structure and making our various conduct capacities unlawful, we can, instead, employ our ontological structure in order to raise ourselves to the higher dignity/nobility that we are aleady made to be, in God's image; if we are God's image, we ought live therein, in order to efficiently maintain a civil civilization. Jehovah kills/killed misbehaved men. He killed Christ as a means of saving man; so, killing is an efficacy, a sin, which we cannot sensibly quit, for it serves as a tool to attain and maintain civil civilization.
 

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If one finds something unintelligible at first glance, it merely means that one has encountered something temporarily beyond one's extant cognitive development, and, the way one grows one's sapientality is to study sufficiently to finally begin to understand what an author is saying. One asks in vain when one asks an auteur to restate his text precisely for and at one's particular level of intellectual development! It requires five hundred years of being read before a genuine ideaologist is understood all the way down to grassroots persons...
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If Jesus, who is light years more intelligent than any mortal on this planet can communicate with common speech that Joe Blow can grasp, don't you think the same should hold true of others who feign high intelligence?
 

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''So the only hope for mankind in dealing with his sinful nature is to call on Jesus Christ to save them from their sins rather than looking to the law.''
Man is free; which means he has no absolute set nature, though he has ontological characteristics, of which freedom is primemost.

Under the rubric ''sin'' Jehovah and Christ have placed everything which man does except obeying Jehovah/Christ. Every human ontological characteristic is otherwise banned/forbidden/ condemned as sin; while, all the while, instead of rejecting our human ontological structure and making our various conduct capacities unlawful, we can, instead, employ our ontological structure in order to raise ourselves to the higher dignity/nobility that we are aleady made to be, in God's image; if we are God's image, we ought live therein, in order to efficiently maintain a civil civilization. Jehovah kills/killed misbehaved men. He killed Christ as a means of saving man; so, killing is an efficacy, a sin, which we cannot sensibly quit, for it serves as a tool to attain and maintain civil civilization.
''A question; what is your answer to the law failing the societies of mankind?''
I have just given the essence of my answer in the last paragraph above, i.e., to embrace our ontological structure, instead of continually rejecting and hiding therefrom via law...

How do you embrace our ontological structure? Give an example.
 

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If Jesus, who is light years more intelligent than any mortal on this planet can communicate with common speech that Joe Blow can grasp, don't you think the same should hold true of others who feign high intelligence?
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My first OP on this site was an ontologically mediated destruction of the supposed deity of Jehovah/Christ. I reasoned that Jehovah is not deity since he gave man the law, while, all the while, man's determination to action originates on the basis of what is not, i.e., on the basis of the not yet future, on the basis of recognition of desideratum, and, that since Jehovah failed to exhibit a knowledge of how the upsurge of human action actually happens, i.e., via negation, he did not create man, else he would have known better than to attempt to rule man by law, which law is a given state of affairs, when, men do not at all originate their actions on the basis of given states of affairs, rather, only on the basis of absent, lacking, missing, future states of affairs which men see as desirable.

So, Jehovah/Christ are not at all in the least more intelligent than even I (who knows precisely how I tick when it comes to originating my acts)! Jehovah is feigning being deity via the ignorant authors who supposedly wrote the Bible describing God, inspired by God!? Those authors have, without knowing it, portrayed God as an ignoramus in comparison with twenty first century high intelligence...
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How do you embrace our ontological structure? Give an example.
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For instance, we can embrace the ontological structure which is our freedom by becoming reflectively free, while, at this time, we are merely pre-reflectively free, thus (I wrote this for 009 a few days ago):
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I have been waiting for someone to finally ask that question.[What is reflective ontological freedom?]

We are constantly forming projects to do things which we have not yet accomplished. Our projects are intentional choices to act on such and such a wise; and, we simply just normally go about the business of doing intentional chosen projects without even thinking about it, and, that, is what modern existential thinking calls "pre-reflective" comprehension of our freedom.

Existential thinkers like J.P. Sartre have focused on the human process of forming intentional projects to a point where they have constructed language specifically designed to describe the process from beginning to end. Existentialists generically refer to the intentional origination of a human act directed toward the achievement of the imagined project ''double nihilation''. To ''nihilate'' is to make nothing. Within the double nihilation are contained two negative moments wherein nothing is made such that on the one hand, the present is made nothing by transcending it toward the intended project, and, the intended project, as an absent, lacking, unaccomplished objective constitutes the other negative moment which is precisely the moment wherein consciousness makes the nothing which is the not yet achieved objective of the intended project; and that is the double nihilation. And, to learn this language of nihilation and to consciously watch one's self do one's intentional projects as one transcends the present toward an absent future, is to gain a reflective understanding of the doubly negative movement of a human consciousness toward a chosen goal. That attainment to awareness of the nihilative modus operandi of one's conscious project of doing one's future is reflective freedom, is being reflectively free, as opposed to being merely originally pre-reflectively free.
Furthermore, central to having a reflective knowledge of the doubly negative movement of the origination of an intentional human act, entails understanding that all determination to human action is negation, i.e., that it is a wholly negative process of making the present a nothing while transcending the present unto the nothing which is one's future, which negatively structured determination to act is expressed as "All determination is negation.", G.W.F. Hegel; and, before Hegel, as ''determinatio negatio est'', Baruch Spinoza.
Thus, to be reflectively free is to know that one's acts are predicated upon what is not yet, future, desired, absent, and, are not in any way founded upon or caused or determined by anything which is already contained in the world, i.e., that one's freedom is a particular transcendent consciousness which continually performs the double nihilation as a nothingness, which nothingness-consciousness is a particular nothing engaged wholly with the nothingnesses which are transcending present and making it past, and projecting unto a non-existent future which is not yet...
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Thus, what I am proposing is that once we grassroots become reflectively ontologically free, we will clearly see why law does not, cannot, rule our freedom; and, hence, we will be in a position to actually transcend law, knowing reflectively how our freedom ticks, which is not by law. I believe that our American Bill of Rights is a pro-ontological attempt, by inefficacious original American law, to protect and preserve our ontological characteristics, freedom, i.e., Liberty, being the most fundamental human ontological structure, which the Bill of Rights, written by pre-reflectively free persons, was intended to protect and succor.
(Thus the efficacy/efficiency of having a twenty-first century comprehension of what being reflectively ontologically free means, for said reflective apprehension of freedom is the sole means of emancipating ourselves from and transcending mere law, which law is a scaffolding being temporarily used to flex ourselves against said impermanent law-scaffolding, and, thereby, to reflectively, dialectically, raise our inherent ontological deistically gifted dignity/nobility to new heights, heights not even understood by Jehovah/Christ.)
 
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For instance, we can embrace the ontological structure which is our freedom by becoming reflectively free, while, at this time, we are merely pre-reflectively free, thus (I wrote this for 009 a few days ago):
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I have been waiting for someone to finally ask that question.[What is reflective ontological freedom?]

We are constantly forming projects to do things which we have not yet accomplished. Our projects are intentional choices to act on such and such a wise; and, we simply just normally go about the business of doing intentional chosen projects without even thinking about it, and, that, is what modern existential thinking calls "pre-reflective" comprehension of our freedom.

Existential thinkers like J.P. Sartre have focused on the human process of forming intentional projects to a point where they have constructed language specifically designed to describe the process from beginning to end. Existentialists generically refer to the intentional origination of a human act directed toward the achievement of the imagined project ''double nihilation''. To ''nihilate'' is to make nothing. Within the double nihilation are contained two negative moments wherein nothing is made such that on the one hand, the present is made nothing by transcending it toward the intended project, and, the intended project, as an absent, lacking, unaccomplished objective constitutes the other negative moment which is precisely the moment wherein consciousness makes the nothing which is the not yet achieved objective of the intended project; and that is the double nihilation. And, to learn this language of nihilation and to consciously watch one's self do one's intentional projects as one transcends the present toward an absent future, is to gain a reflective understanding of the doubly negative movement of a human consciousness toward a chosen goal. That attainment to awareness of the nihilative modus operandi of one's conscious project of doing one's future is reflective freedom, is being reflectively free, as opposed to being merely originally pre-reflectively free.
Furthermore, central to having a reflective knowledge of the doubly negative movement of the origination of an intentional human act, entails understanding that all determination to human action is negation, i.e., that it is a wholly negative process of making the present a nothing while transcending the present unto the nothing which is one's future, which negatively structured determination to act is expressed as "All determination is negation.", G.W.F. Hegel; and, before Hegel, as ''determinatio negatio est'', Baruch Spinoza.
Thus, to be reflectively free is to know that one's acts are predicated upon what is not yet, future, desired, absent, and, are not in any way founded upon or caused or determined by anything which is already contained in the world, i.e., that one's freedom is a particular transcendent consciousness which continually performs the double nihilation as a nothingness, which nothingness-consciousness is a particular nothing engaged wholly with the nothingnesses which are transcending present and making it past, and projecting unto a non-existent future which is not yet...
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Thus, what I am proposing is that once we grassroots become reflectively ontologically free, we will clearly see why law does not, cannot, rule our freedom; and, hence, we will be in a position to actually transcend law, knowing reflectively how our freedom ticks, which is not by law. I believe that our American Bill of Rights is a pro-ontological attempt, by inefficacious original American law, to protect and preserve our ontological characteristics, freedom, i.e., Liberty, being the most fundamental human ontological structure, which the Bill of Rights, written by pre-reflectively free persons, was intended to protect and succor.

I thank you for sharing your belief.

Do you find this to be true?

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. 13 Even in laughter the heart is sorrowful; and the end of that mirth is heaviness.
 

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I thank you for sharing your belief.

Do you find this to be true?

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. 13 Even in laughter the heart is sorrowful; and the end of that mirth is heaviness.
By ''this'' are you referring to what you called my belief, or, to the scripture you quote? I find it confusing when 'this' is used...
I revised my explanation of reflective ontological freedom since you quoted it in your response...
 

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By ''this'' are you referring to what you called my belief, or, to the scripture you quote? I find it confusing when 'this' is used...
I revised my explanation of reflective ontological freedom since you quoted it in your response...

What I had meant to convey is how man devises a way that seems right to him, but as they laugh, they are sorrowful and their mirth is in heaviness which seems to suggest a fruit or end result for such thinking to prove it cannot be right or beneficial after all.

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. 13 Even in laughter the heart is sorrowful; and the end of that mirth is heaviness.

As for applying it to what you are talking about in regards to your beliefs, only you can discern and know that. It just seems to me that you can make that assessment towards the attempts by mankind with their laws and yet see that it is failing society for why I now ask you that plainly.