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reformed1689

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Haven't you been reading some of the other threads? Personal attacks are terrible! They shouldn't be tolerated. I am standing up against it. And again, Mjrhealth may not be innocent himself, and I will jump on him next, if needed.
The threads on this topic are not about personal attacks. People confuse truth with personal attacks and can't stand that the light is being shined on their false beliefs so they lash out and say "stop attacking me." I am not worried about if they feel offended, their gripe is with the truth, not me.
 

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I guess than you missed this bit

1Jn_2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
No, I didn't miss it, and was waiting rather impatiently for someone to bring it up!

Whom did John the Baptist teach by? Or Peter? Or Paul? Were they not teaching by the spirit of truth? They were men but it wasn't their teaching.
Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.


And yet he, as a man passed it on to the Galatians.

He, Matthew, Mark, Like, John, James, Peter and Jude are the authors of the NT. They were all under inspiration of the Holy Ghost but we're all men. They were the voice or the pen and paper. Yet they did so by the Holy spirit and told of men who spoke with their mouth to other men. They also spoke by the Spirit.

It's a powerful thing. And real. But gosh... There are more folks around these days on the interney that the holy spirit directly teaches then we're were Christian's in 50 AD!

Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Yep... And he did so in Biblical says through the voice and Pen of Matthew, Mark Luke, John, Paul....

Again, you are trying to Trump scripture with scripture. What can you do with Eph 4:11-12? I say that was the Holy Spirit not teaching man's doctrine but through men. I can harmonize those verses.

Don't Trump scripture with scripture... Tell me what Eph 4 means if we don't need them.
 

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No, I didn't miss it, and was waiting rather impatiently for someone to bring it up!



Don't Trump scripture with scripture... Tell me what Eph 4 means if we don't need them.
Isnt that what you are doing, every one does it, we read teh bible we quote scripture there fore we are right, yet here you are wrong. Just lie kteh catholics, the protestants the SDA etc etc, all preaching a different Jesus and a different way to salvation, all who come to Christ are Given the Spirit of God, an all who have His Spirit can be taught by God, unless you dont beli8eve, This is now you reducing God to nothing.

Rom_5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Eph_2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Your choice, men or God, which will it be
 

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The threads on this topic are not about personal attacks. People confuse truth with personal attacks and can't stand that the light is being shined on their false beliefs so they lash out and say "stop attacking me." I am not worried about if they feel offended, their gripe is with the truth, not me.
Reformed... I am on your side in this this fight. There are precious, few things I wish to fight for. This is one of them, but the attacks have been been personal. I am asking that it stop. Assault the false doctrine and I am on your side. But Mjr isn't an enemy.

Eventually, I will give up. You want to behave like the pigs in 1984 fine. But I am not ready to give up yet. I believe folks who can call themselves Christian's can be civil.
 

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What personal testimony are you looking for? My testimony is not the Gospel. I share Scripture.
Actually you have, from what I have seen on this forum, shared very little scripture. Often when someone has asked you for a verse you have said you already posted it. More than once when you did that I went looking and was unable to find such a post by you. Sometimes you make only short or cryptic posts, which only someone who knew a lot about where you were could understand. [Lately I've done a little of that myself but Not in self defense.]

No, don't ask me for an example of your way of post... or not. Searching for examples takes time with so many threads and hundreds of posts. You know what you do, just like you know that you purposely avoided some of my questions and have never apologized to anyone even when you knew what had done was unnecessarily offensive:

"Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!" Matt 18:7

You've made me do something I don't ever like to do, but unfortunately sometimes it is necessary. I do try to obey God even when it is a difficult and painful task for me. That is what you are!
 

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Actually you have, from what I have seen on this forum, shared very little scripture. Often when someone has asked you for a verse you have said you already posted it. More than once when you did that I went looking and was unable to find such a post by you. Sometimes you make only short or cryptic posts, which only someone who knew a lot about where you were could understand. [Lately I've done a little of that myself but Not in self defense.]

No, don't ask me for an example of your way of post... or not. Searching for examples takes time with so many threads and hundreds of posts. You know what you do, just like you know that you purposely avoided some of my questions and have never apologized to anyone even when you knew what had done was unnecessarily offensive:

"Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!" Matt 18:7

You've made me do something I don't ever like to do, but unfortunately sometimes it is necessary. I do try to obey God even when it is a difficult and painful task for me. That is what you are!
Nothing I have done has been unnecessarily offensive in my opinion. That being said I provide lots of Scripture. Though, I will say often I quote Scripture and forget to give the reference because I just know what the Scriptures say.
 

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And what opinion do you think this is that is so poor and uninformed?
That which you have derived through your own study and logic from the scriptures. You have made Him like unto the same bloodthirsty god which the atheists and pagans criticize so harshly. You simply say that is the way that He is. He is not. He is Love and Truth, and don't try to tell me again what those words mean. You really do not know. You may know the scriptures, but something very important is missing in you. On your present pathway you won't ever find it.
 
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That which you have derived through your own study and logic from the scriptures. You have made Him like unto the same bloodthirsty god which the atheists and pagans criticize so harshly. You simply say that is the way that He is. He is not. He is Love and Truth, and don't try to tell me again what those words mean. You really do not know. You may know the scriptures, but something very important is missing in you. On your present pathway you won't ever find it.
Ok, again, what do you think my position is? Because I only preach what the Scripture actually states.
 
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In answer to your unasked question, I am not your judge either, but my opinion of you is not improving as I realize what a poor and uninformed opinion you have of God.


Actually he has and preaches an accurate and Biblical portrait of God. What you are doing is showing your ignorance and hostility towards that biblical God; Colossians 1:21; Romans 8:7-8; 1 Corinthians 2:14.
 
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Reformed... I am on your side in this this fight. There are precious, few things I wish to fight for. This is one of them, but the attacks have been been personal. I am asking that it stop. Assault the false doctrine and I am on your side. But Mjr isn't an enemy.

Eventually, I will give up. You want to behave like the pigs in 1984 fine. But I am not ready to give up yet. I believe folks who can call themselves Christian's can be civil.
This isnt a fight,

Gal_4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

its life and death, do you want to found accountable for keeping Christs children from Him, because that is all religion does, and they will not let Christs children go to Him.

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Mat 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
 

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This isnt a fight,

Gal_4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

its life and death, do you want to found accountable for keeping Christs children from Him, because that is all religion does, and they will not let Christs children go to Him.

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Mat 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
Some prefer a rod, sounds as if you prefer a Spirit of meekness and love?
 

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Nothing I have done has been unnecessarily offensive in my opinion. That being said I provide lots of Scripture. Though, I will say often I quote Scripture and forget to give the reference because I just know what the Scriptures say.

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

I really wish I could believe you, but repeatedly you go back and do the same or worse things. It recalls to me what the Lord told Samuel when he continued to mourn for King Saul after God had rejected him as King of Israel.

"And the LORD said unto Samuel, How long wilt thou mourn for Saul, seeing I have rejected him from reigning over Israel? fill thine horn with oil, and go, I will send thee to Jesse the Bethlehemite: for I have provided me a king among his sons." I Sam 16:1

Or like King Saul himself who repeatedly justified himself instead of humbling himself like King David.
 

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Jesus drove people out with whips, would you rather me do that?
The religious just use the bible, religion and church, but its not the sellers and corrupt dealers they are driving out its Gods Children,

Mat 19:13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.

Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

So many of His children lost to religion. Woe to those who put them there.
 
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"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

I really wish I could believe you, but repeatedly you go back and do the same or worse things. It recalls to me what the Lord told Samuel when he continued to mourn for King Saul after God had rejected him as King of Israel.

"And the LORD said unto Samuel, How long wilt thou mourn for Saul, seeing I have rejected him from reigning over Israel? fill thine horn with oil, and go, I will send thee to Jesse the Bethlehemite: for I have provided me a king among his sons." I Sam 16:1

Or like King Saul himself who repeatedly justified himself instead of humbling himself like King David.
Offensive is also subjective.
 

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The religious just use the bible, religion and church, but its not the sellers and corrupt dealers they are driving out its Gods Children,

Mat 19:13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.

Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

So many of His children lost to religion. Woe to those who put them there.
So what is the importance of Scripture in your opinion?
 

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Isnt that what you are doing, every one does it,
No, everyone doesn't do it. If the gospel can't be harmonized, what chance have we? No, I don't comment on every scripture given to me in a debate. My posts are long enough. But I am not afraid to comment on any. I am also not afraid to say "I don't know".

But you've been given scripture and seem to not deal with it. Now what of Eph 4? Because despite your stance on other scripture I don't know where you stand on that.

So I hear all your verses and agree with them. They are the word of God. But what of the ones I gave?
 
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So what is the importance of Scripture in your opinion?
I dont have an opinion, it has its place its not God nor is it Christ, nor is there any life in it, if you want the truth Jesus is there if you dont want Him, continue in your study, you will be without excuse.

And no that is not an opinion it is the truth.