My Lord And Savior Is Not A "SISSIFIED NEEDY JESUS", But HE is a GOD of WRATH!!

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SovereignGrace

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Isaiah 65:2-6 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, (Romans 3:12-18) ...after their own thoughts; [3] A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; [4] Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels; [5] Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day. [6] Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,


Isaiah 58:9-11 Then shalt thou call, and the Lord shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity; [10] And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday: [11] And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.

Romans 2:8-11
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, [9] Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: [11] For there is no respect of persons with God.

do not see how Calvinism Fares well with “stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou.” and “if thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity.” He is “in the midst” of His people,
Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
So, does the Christ not know now the exact # of those who will be saved and are welcomed in on the day of judgment? If He does not, then He isn’t omniscient.
 

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So why not answer the question describing how the type of error makes a difference? It's your belief not mine so I still can only guess at what you mean.
For example, arminianism is an error. But I believe there are Christians who are arminian. But I do not believe there are Christians who deny the Deity of Christ.
 

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For example, arminianism is an error. But I believe there are Christians who are arminian. But I do not believe there are Christians who deny the Deity of Christ.
Thank you! That was painless, was it not. You could have done that in your first response. Saved or not, elect or not, some people need explanations. They don't all have your education.
 

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So, does the Christ not know now the exact # of those who will be saved and are welcomed in on the day of judgment? If He does not, then He isn’t omniscient.

of course He knows. Don’t fully disagree. Most Questions I have is the “chosen of God” that maybe is stretched way beyond (imo) the intent entering into the camp of great swelling words and the yoke of vanity. Not “easily to be intreated” but the opposite. One(imo) that doesn’t line up is selling the chosen of God do not endure wrath. HE did. (Hebrews 12:3)

And God Himself spoke He was chosen of God and approved, no debate there I hope. So is it The chosen of God do not endure wrath or “endure” is Action where wrath does not destroy (consume)what remains? Luke 23:35-37 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God. [36] And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar, [37] And saying, If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself.

1 Peter 2:4-5 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, [5] Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

the other question concerning “chosen of God” is they tempted Him that if He was “the chosen of God” to save Himself. yet the Chosen Son of God said “the bread I give is my flesh which I will give for the Life of the world.” even sinners and enemies like you and I.

when the Lord said to take away (remove) from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity.” is He not saying to remove from the midst of thee that which speaks great swelling words and vanity (emptiness). To instead put on Christ “take on my yoke” “for I am meek and lowly”. Again, some of Calvinism I might would agree with, some of the words sound to similar to claiming “chosen of God” yet we save ourselves and to hell with everyone else.
 
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of course He knows. Don’t fully disagree. Most Questions I have is the “chosen of God” that maybe is stretched way beyond (imo) the intent entering into the camp of great swelling words and the yoke of vanity. Not “easily to be intreated” but the opposite. One(imo) that doesn’t line up is selling the chosen of God do not endure wrath. HE did. (Hebrews 12:3)

And God Himself spoke He was chosen of God and approved, no debate there I hope. So is it The chosen of God do not endure wrath or “endure” is Action where wrath does not destroy (consume)what remains? Luke 23:35-37 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God. [36] And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar, [37] And saying, If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself.

1 Peter 2:4-5 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, [5] Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

the other question concerning “chosen of God” is they tempted Him that if He was “the chosen of God” to save Himself. yet the Chosen Son of God said “the bread I give is my flesh which I will give for the Life of the world.” even sinners and enemies like you and I.

when the Lord said to take away (remove) from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity.” is He not saying to remove from the midst of thee that which speaks great swelling words and vanity (emptiness). To instead put on Christ “take on my yoke” “for I am meek and lowly”. Again, some of Calvinism I might would agree with, some of the words sound to similar to claiming “chosen of God” yet we save ourselves and to hell with everyone else.
His love is beyond all knowledge.
 

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Question concerning My Lord And Savior Is Not A "SISSIFIED NEEDY JESUS", But HE is a GOD of WRATH!!


Exodus 32:11-14 And Moses besought the Lord his God, and said, Lord, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand? [12] Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people. [13] Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever. [14] And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Why “the Lord repented of the evil which he thought? Why Moses besought the Lord his God “Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.”? Why call “thy fierce wrath” evil or that the Lord would repent of the evil which he thought against his people?
 

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God can be a generic term to some. They can say God is eternal, but also say the Christ inherited powers of godhood and that makes Him a created being. He inherited nothing from God as He is God.

If I may brush off the dust and interject, I believe that what @SovereignGrace means is that we need to define our terms. When reading through this, I saw many times that you said that we don't want to talk Christ, and there is an actual reason why they have been hesitant to do so.

We must first define our terms, and make sure that the Jesus I am talking about is the same Jesus you are talking about. We need to nail out the essentials about God, Christ and the Holy Spirit before we can even begin talking, otherwise we will be talking about 2 different things. Many, many, MANY times I have in the past tried to understand your doctrine with a genuine interest in what you believe, and have been in essence told that you don't know, you don't know if you believe it. I would be more than happy to speak about the TRUE Christ with you, but first we need to get over some of the hurdles so we better understand one another.

God (Heavenly Father) is an exalted man with a physical body of flesh and bone. LDS founder Joseph Smith said, "If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by his power, was to make himself visible-I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form"

My question is; When you talk about God the Father... is this Father just an exalted man? A created being that rose to godhood?
 
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GOD poured out his own WRATH on HIS SON!!


Voddie Baucham.."Our culture, Jesus just wants a friendship and relationship with you....you are breaking his heart. NO, HE IS GONNA BREAK YOU!"

Revelations 19: 11-16
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written,
KING OF KINGS, AND Lord OF LORDS.


Voddie Baucham, "God doesn't need you. When you die, the world is gonna keep on spinning and SOMEBODY is gonna get ALL YOUR STUFF!" (family included)

..............10 min sermon, very powerful and humbling message


The Lord Jesus Christ ONLY, is Worthy of all our Praise and Worship!
Eternity is a Very long Time!
Satan Loves Distractions and Wants Christians To Just Die!!


@JTH1234
 

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Good stuff! Many on this site would have mocked and ridiculed Paul's departure message; Acts 20:17-38.

Paul's departure message Acts 20
"... but I do not account my life of any value nor as precious to myself, if only I may accomplish my course and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus to testify to the good news of the grace of God ..."

He talks about wolves coming in and ravaging the flock

Therefore I testify before you this day that I am innocent of the blood of you all, for I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God....

.... therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night and day to admonish everyone with tears. And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace ...

What a wuss

The only fierceness Paul mentions is the fierceness of the ravenous wolves.

Listen the easiest, peasiest preaching in the world is to holler and shout hellfire and damnation, that is easy, you don't even need a brain, just a big mouth.

It takes courage to stand before a hostile crowd and preach love, I've done it, I know what I'm talking. A drill sergeant once saw me preaching and he came after me with half a dozen squaddies in tow.

He called me every foul name you can think of with his mouth right up close to my ear
"you christians think you know it all, why I gotto go get shot at in Ireland next week? you tell me that"

I said "sir have you ever been angry?" what a laugh, he was spitting fire, he had a huge great purple vein sticking out of his temple
"yes, yes, of course I've been angry" all his squaddies were watching
"well the seething hate that is in you when you are angry is in those people over there what I am teaching is when Jesus hung on the cross He did it so that God could take OUT that murderous hate from your heart and fill you with love instead"

Then God showed me that he was a coward, he was truly terrified. And the words just flowed out of me "did you know God has promised if you will believe on Him there is no weapon created that can harm you?"

This great big barrel chested sergeant with his heavy moustache, his chest sank inwards and suddenly I was looking into the eyes of a little boy as he grabbed my arm

"Sir will you pray for me?"

The GOOD NEWS is the power of God, the word of His grace.
 
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