"Have you ever had a spiritual paranormal encounter?"

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I am gravely concern for you, brother. You need to go before that throne of grace for help to discern & to depart from this iniquity & those spirits.

So I should ditch the miraculous that I have been used to produce and have seen? Are you saying what I saw I didn't see and what I was used to produce I wasn't used to produce? Are you saying that the woman who was on crutches and plaster on her leg who ran down the centre of the church in amazement was only an apparition? I much prefer that than the dead words and dead works that you produce.

Like so many of the reformed faith, you are out of your depth because you limit God to what you think you know rather than let him surprise you with what you don't know.

In many countries, the only chance a person has of getting healing is through the miraculous as government services are nonexistent. What you are saying is that these people who cannot access government services cannot access the miraculous and have to die.

Now, that is what I call cold-hearted judgementalism.
 
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I have no idea what you are talking about. I am not in a movement and the passage is talking about the spirit of antichrist, not a Jezebel spirit.

Did you or did you not reference to a restoration movement in the UK? In any event, any spirit you feel outside of you is not the Holy Spirit but the spirit of the antichrist; hence the spirits visiting the place with signs and lying wonders is not the Holy Spirit when He is in you, brother. That is how you can tell.
 

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Of course, you would know never having been part of it. What is commonly known as an armchair critic? Shall I let you into a secret? Armchair critics have never impressed me. I would rather listen to and be advised by people who have produced the goods. By their fruits, I think the scripture describes it.

Of course one should know that you are being conned when you get a prophecy that comes to pass. Of course one should know that you are being conned when you lay hands on someone and they are delivered of a demon. Of course, you should know that when you pray for someone's release from a fatherless spirit and they are set free you are being conned. Of course, you should know when you lay hands on someone to be healed of one leg shorter than the other and as you pray one leg gets longer you are being conned. And of course, when a Muslim tells you he has become a believer in Jesus because of a visitation he had you are being conned, thousands of times over.

And when a dead child is brought to you and you lay hands on him and he comes back to life it is all a con.

All you have done is talked about the movement or what has happened at this place; nary a word about believing in Jesus Christ for salvation.

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

If they say the Spirit of Christ is here or there, do not believe it, because greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

When believers do not heed His words and believe the lie that they are receiving the Holy Spirit again or being visited by the Holy Spirit in the worship place, then God will permit strong delusions to occur where some will fall by it as in a loss of self control; hence confusion which God is not the author of.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

See how Paul reminded them of the tradition taught of us in when we had received the sanctufication of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel to reprove those that think they are receiving the Holy Spirit again or being visited by what they think is the Holy Spirit in the worship place to be felt oustide of them? May God cause the increase.
 

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All you have done is talked about the movement or what has happened at this place; nary a word about believing in Jesus Christ for salvation.

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

If they say the Spirit of Christ is here or there, do not believe it, because greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

When believers do not heed His words and believe the lie that they are receiving the Holy Spirit again or being visited by the Holy Spirit in the worship place, then God will permit strong delusions to occur where some will fall by it as in a loss of self control; hence confusion which God is not the author of.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

See how Paul reminded them of the tradition taught of us in when we had received the sanctufication of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel to reprove those that think they are receiving the Holy Spirit again or being visited by what they think is the Holy Spirit in the worship place to be felt oustide of them? May God cause the increase.

What I have been talking about is the subject of this thread which is not believing in Jesus Christ for salvation, so you are out of line not me.
 
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Sorry to say that what you contend is not the truth. In the last year, I have read about 10 books regarding the situation in the Middle East and which has focussed on God's dealings with Muslims. Time and time again, Muslims testified to having a spiritual encounter with a person, often in a dream which they found out to be Jesus himself. After the encounter, they have all realised that the person talking to them in their dream was Jesus and as a result, they gave up Islam and embraced faith in God, which was dangerous for them to do because if they refused to convert back to Islam they were told they would be killed.

In one book, three teenage boys converted to Christianity and when their families found out they were told: "convert back or you die." They refused so one night two uncles found out where they were and hacked their nephew to death with machetes.

None of which are verified experiences. Not to mention, I have not seen any of these situations where they did not already know the Gospel

The question is have you been to the middle east and seen anything other than what you want to see and in that case what have you seen? And how do you verify thousands of Muslims turning to Christ apart from the most common method and that is telling their stories and books written about them or having worked amongst them and seen it happen. Are you saying that those that worked amongst them are liars?

These Muslims are saved by a spiritual encounter with Jesus and in my research, I have found out that this has happened to thousands of them.
 

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The question reformed1689 is have you been to the middle east and seen anything other than what you want to see and in that case what have you seen? And how do you verify thousands of Muslims turning to Christ apart from the most common method and that is telling their stories and books written about them or having worked amongst them and seen it happen. Are you saying that those that worked amongst them are liars?

These Muslims are saved by a spiritual encounter with Jesus and in my research, I have found out that this has happened to thousands of them.
 
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While I understand how you are looking at it, I believe it misses what Jesus is. He is the Word of God. When John writes he says that the Word became flesh, not a book! Jesus is not the Bible. No where in the written scriptures does it say that He is.

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:14

This is the flesh we are to eat, the Word of God! He became flesh and we, we are become like Him as we partake of Him:

"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you." John 6:53

"He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him." John 6:56

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2
You have articulated you belief that we "eat His body" by reading the bible. I have never heard you explain how we drink His blood?

Would you care to explain that to me?

Curious mary
 

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You have articulated you belief that we "eat His body" by reading the bible. I have never heard you explain how we drink His blood?

Would you care to explain that to me?

Curious mary
How does a human body increase its blood supply? What does blood in the human body do? What is the similarity and difference in the Body of Christ? You take it from there!
 
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I admit this is not one that I personally encountered but it was one that a member of our church did. His son took a friend of his who only had one hand to a Bill Johnson meeting who was visiting the area. When Bill asked people who wanted prayer to come forward, this young man went out and his friend went with him. As Bill was praying over the people, he saw his friend grow another hand and he never went near a second-hand shop. No, it was a complete miracle by the power of the Spirit as Bill never touched him.
 
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Another case I read about was a boy who was taken to heaven during an op and he met Jesus. When he came back to earth, he was asked what Jesus looked like. He said nothing like the pictures of him in churches.

Sometime later he was introduced to another boy who had been taken to heaven and had met Jesus. This boy was an artist and had drawn a picture of the Jesus that he met. When he saw the picture the young boy visiting said "That is Jesus. That is the Jesus I saw." So they confirmed what Jesus looked like. Believe it or not, he looked like a Jew. How do I know? I have seen the picture the young boy drew.
 
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What I have been talking about is the subject of this thread which is not believing in Jesus Christ for salvation, so you are out of line not me.

There are so many ways to read that, and yet under your avatar, it says you are a Christian can dispel one of those ways from your post.

So you are affirming what I have said that I have noticed about your testimonies in this thread?

You are testifying to supernatural encounters that has nothing to do with preaching about Jesus Christ for salvation.

If so, my point is, how can you not come across as preaching another calling and another gospel for saved believers to receive another Jesus or another "Holy Spirit" when Paul warned us about?

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
 

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There are so many ways to read that, and yet under your avatar, it says you are a Christian can dispel one of those ways from your post.

So you are affirming what I have said that I have noticed about your testimonies in this thread?

You are testifying to supernatural encounters that has nothing to do with preaching about Jesus Christ for salvation.

If so, my point is, how can you not come across as preaching another calling and another gospel for saved believers to receive another Jesus or another "Holy Spirit" when Paul warned us about?

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

"You are testifying to supernatural encounters that has nothing to do with preaching about Jesus Christ for salvation."

As I have said before, the subject of this thread is supernatural encounters, not preaching about Jesus Christ for Salvation. If you can not understand that I suggest you spend some time on leave to refresh your mind and come to grips with reality which is that in most threads you deal with the subject under discussion, not the one that you want to introduce.

And for your information, there are a myriad of threads that do not discuss preaching about Jesus Christ for Salvation. I do not see that you have attacked them for their subject matter and castigated then for not discussing preaching about Jesus CHrist for Salvation. I would start a thread discussing that to keep you happy but I don't know how to as I can't find anywhere where it says to start a new thread.
 

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there are a myriad of threads that do not discuss preaching about Jesus Christ for Salvation. I do not see that you have attacked them for their subject matter and castigated then for not discussing preaching about Jesus CHrist for Salvation. I would start a thread discussing that to keep you happy but I don't know how to as I can't find anywhere where it says to start a new thread.

Agree.
The title subject is indeed about supernatural encounters .
Not about preaching Christ.

If you ever wish to start a new thread.
1) click on Forums.
2) choose a board. Bible study, Devotionals, General, or whatever fits your subject.
3) then click into that board of your choice.

You will see all the many many threads listed .
At the Top above them...you will see on the right, in thick Black. "Post New Thread"
Click on it , and write . :)

Some boards have sub-headings...so the "Post New Thread" is sometimes a little lower down...but it will always be there.

Have fun. :)
 

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Did you or did you not reference to a restoration movement in the UK? In any event, any spirit you feel outside of you is not the Holy Spirit but the spirit of the antichrist; hence the spirits visiting the place with signs and lying wonders is not the Holy Spirit when He is in you, brother. That is how you can tell.

Why do people write such rubbish?

One. The restoration movement took place in the 60s and 70s in the UK. It is now 2020 and I live in Australia.
Two. I have never said anything at all about feeling a spirit outside of me.
Three. The spirit of antichrist is one that does not acknowledge Jesus Christ as Lord.
Four. The Spirit does not visit places with signs and lying wonders as he leads us into ALL truth. He is incapable of lying the same as satan is incapable of telling the truth.
 
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Agree.
The title subject is indeed about supernatural encounters .
Not about preaching Christ.

If you ever wish to start a new thread.
1) click on Forums.
2) choose a board. Bible study, Devotionals, General, or whatever fits your subject.
3) then click into that board of your choice.

You will see all the many many threads listed .
At the Top above them...you will see on the right, in thick Black. "Post New Thread"
Click on it , and write . :)

Some boards have sub-headings...so the "Post New Thread" is sometimes a little lower down...but it will always be there.

Have fun. :)
Thank you, Helen, for your help. Just to show you how backward I am technologically, I have JUST got my first smartphone, compliments of my daughter who gave it to me as a birthday present. She decided I was going to be dragged into the world of the latest technology bearing in mind that my motto is if it ain't broke don't fix it. Goodbye, little ordinary phone.
 

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Thank you, Helen, for your help. Just to show you how backward I am technologically, I have JUST got my first smartphone, compliments of my daughter who gave it to me as a birthday present. She decided I was going to be dragged into the world of the latest technology bearing in mind that my motto is if it ain't broke don't fix it. Goodbye, little ordinary phone.
There goes your freedom out the window, in this case out on the net
 

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I accept the point that you make.
One purpose of my OP was to clarify (to myself) whether or not my particular long, long, 'Walk of Faith' has been efficacious to salvation.
I am grateful to those have posted in support, and accept the views of those, such as yourself, that seem to intimate otherwise.
As a young person new to the faith I did have an unusual experience which changed the direction of my life however, as the years slipped by I found myself wanting more 'evidence' whatever that was meant to mean. Now later in my years I have discovered that heart felt repentance and faith towards Jesus delivers a peace that my younger years longed for. What sustained me was a ditty i came across somewhere along the track, 'be my feelings what they will, Jesus is my Saviour still' I wrote it in the front of my newly purchased Bible as a constant reminder.

Repentance was never mentioned that I recall in my early years. I was ignorant to it apart from having an intellectual understanding of the word.

Cleaning house is what God requires ie, self honesty, transparency ie, involving God with my 'secrets' and a willingness to let him lead meaning, recognising direction. This ensures my connection to the vine.

I have also learnt that much of 'spiritual experiences' do not qualify as God sent but are permission to continue in a life of sin however cleverly concealed, that justifies itself.
 
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I have also learnt that much of 'spiritual experiences' do not qualify as God sent but are permission to continue in a life of sin however cleverly concealed, that justifies itself.

I have yet to find any one, christian or otherwise who has ever needed an excuse to sin, but what I see a lot of, is men who come and declare to Christ that His works where not good enough and that, they somehow can out do him on Goodness, than they come impose all there rules upon people, put yokes around there necks, and demand they beat themselves into submission, so that in there thinking they can stand before God and Boast about how good they are.
Trampling Christ works and Grace underfoot, taking away the freedom that men have in Christ, and than declaring themselves "righteous", by there own works, ans in so doing condemning themselves and all who will follow them. The blind leading the blind.