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"Have you ever had a spiritual paranormal encounter?"

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  1. Mike Waters

    Mike Waters Well-Known Member

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    Fantastic....ideal as part of a signature line.
    Also I totally empathise with your "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" avatar.
    I've started reading through your posts and, as yet, I can find nothing that challenges my hope that I am seeing a 'man after my own heart'.
    Helen shared a similar ditty with me on another forum "convert a man against his will, and he remains an unbeliever still".
    Can you shorten my learning process by telling me something about your faith that might turn me against you (says he, hoped that there is nothing).
     
  2. Waiting on him

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    Faith is a gift of the Holy Spirit, and cannot be possessed apart from God.
     
  3. quietthinker

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    It appears mjrhealth, that when anyone is serious about following God's Commandments you interpret it as meaning
    You do not recognise the need for obedience otherwise you would not argue the way you do. What I understand you to mean from your posts by
    is that you prefer to follow your own rules misquoting the scripture to justify your position rather than God's Commandments.

    You very well know that your thinly veiled charge of
    is not the position I hold neither is it that of others who are desirous to live righteously yet you continue to flog this old horse as if you are revealing some new insight.
    Making this charge is nothing more than revealing your antagonism towards God's Law.....this has been done before by one far cleverer than yourself.
     
  4. quietthinker

    quietthinker Well-Known Member

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    The scripture calls God's people peculiar. I imagine it is so because they are desirous to do all in their power to represent their Saviour and his Kingdom with integrity at every opportunity. If that is something you might find offence at then so be it but if not I hope we walk the same narrow path in the same direction.
     
  5. Mike Waters

    Mike Waters Well-Known Member

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    So far so good.
    I identify with that and trust that I too walk in the same direction as you, along the same narrow path.
    Nevertheless I "bestow greater honour to my lesser brethren" and hold their hands tightly as they too try to walk on the same path and in the same direction; even though they may be a few steps behind (spiritually speaking).
    I trust that you too heed Paul's exhortation to Corinthians.
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    2 Corinthians 10:12
    2 Corinthians 10:18
     
  7. Enow

    Enow Well-Known Member

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    Only because of the scripture is why I believe such a noted encounter of receiving of the Holy Spirit only occurs at salvation moment, brother.

    Otherwise, there is no one calling nor one baptism nor one drink of the One Spirit.

    Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

    1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

    And to chase after something like that to receive goes against this warning from Paul.

    2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

    1 Timothy 4:1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

    Paul reported that the iniquity was even at work in his day and he reproved that lie by reminding them when they had received the Holy Spirit.

    2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way....9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

    That is my concern for you. There are more scripture to that effect, but I would think you would have a hard time proving those scriptures do not apply to you nor reprove what it is you are preaching for believers to experience.
     
  8. Enow

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    Poor recollection? I did ask a question.

    So you did mention it for why I misunderstood your relations to it. You frown upon armchair quarterbacking, right? And yet you seem to take that movement as gospel even though you were not there.

    Those that have err do sometimes testify feeling it come forth from within. If they had not mentioned the other obvious signs of apostasy, I would not have suspected it to discern it as still not of Him. He would never support a lie.

    In according to the testing of the spirits in 1 John 4:1-4, it is by knowing Jesus Christ in you ?presently" for why "is come" is to mean; not has come as if referring to doubting Jesus had come in the past in the flesh. 1 John 4:2 is another way of saying Jesus Christ IS in us per 2 Corinthians 13:5. Proof of that in testing the spirits in 1 John 4:1-4 ( and that is what that is about ) is in verse 3 when someone does not confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh as being in us, it is that spirit of the antichrist that is in the world; and the confirmation of such rightly dividing the word of truth is in verse 4 as greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world.

    That means any spirit felt coming over a believer apart from salvation is not the Holy Spirit because He has been in you always since salvation; and any spirit felt in the worship place outside of you is the spirit of the antichrist because there is no reason for the Holy Spirit to be felt outside of you where the spirit of the antichrist dwells.

    The term "anti-Christ" as it is used in scripture means "instead of Christ" or to be precise "instead of the Son". The real indwelling Holy Spirit will always keep the spotlight on the Son in worship whereas the spirits of the antichrist would not, but lead believers to chase after them to receive for a sign.

    So do apply the spirit of the anti-Christ in that way when discerning spirits and movements alike. They may confess Him, but is the spotlight always on the Son in worship? No. When they stop honoring the Son in worship, they are not honoring the Father.

    John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

    And yet it is believers that goes to these places for the dramatic "manifestations of the Holy Spirit" or "visitations of the Holy Spirit with signs and wonders", do they not? Why promote a movement other than to say.. hey come here and see the Spirit of Christ at work! If they were preaching Jesus Christ for why people are being born again of the Spirit, that is one thing, but you said that is not what you are preaching, right?
     
  9. mjrhealth

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    Heb_11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

    and again

    Joh_13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

    As far as the law is concerned.

    Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
    Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
    Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

    So who is your husband Jesus or the law.

    If you choose both, does not that make you a harlot and an Adulterer, oh that means you are breaking the law..

    Something to do with

    Joh 4:17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:
    Joh 4:18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.\

    but than this too

    Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
    Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
    Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
    Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

    something to do with this

    Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
    Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
    Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
    Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

    But than again the bits you despise

    Act_15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

    and again

    Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
    Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
    Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
    Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
    Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
    Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

    Howe much more do you need,

    oh thats right you and your religion are greater than the dicsiples. I forgot.

    But than it also could be this

    Luk 5:36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
    Luk 5:37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
    Luk 5:38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
    Luk 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

    Which is exctly what you have done, prefer the law, the old to grace and the Spirit, the new.

    probably this bit

    Rom_8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

    I hate long posts, but you wanted it.

    God bless
     
  10. marksman

    marksman My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her

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    I am not going to respond to your post because you have this special ability to read into what people say that IS NOT THERE. So all we end up doing is going round in circles and achieving nothing. I have better things to do with my time responding to people who make a sensible comment or ask questions that are not supercilious.
     
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    As I said, you have no interest in obedience except to your man made constructions. What you call faith is mere presumption.
    Do you not know that we are judged by our works??? Do you not know that faith is the basis for all obedience??? ie, not disobedience.
    No, you have no interest in obedience because presumption does not have power to that end.

    Jesus came to save us from our sins (disobedience) not in our sins (the excuse for disobedience)
     
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    Yes He did, that so far is the only bit you have right, The rest is merely obedience to your religion, nothing to do with God or Jesus. Keep treading His grace under foot, you want the law it will judge you, grace has no part in the law,

    Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

    So you choose two husbands Christ and the law, So an Adulteress religion you will be, and a harlot.
     
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    When I am not clear in my posting, God be willing, I clarify my position.

    If I am reading in what you are posting, because it does not declare plainly what you are sharing, as it can be taken either way when such references do point to other ways, then you leave it for me to do so.

    If you say you do not represent something that I read in your postings, then clarify it.

    As it is, what you have been talking about points to apostasy. You saw all the scripture for why I believe that for what you had posted.

    So I leave it to you as God enables you, to clarify your position on what you had been posting about for why I need not be concern for you.

    If God still wants me to continue this conversation with you for Him to have me to respond as well, but if I am not responding, maybe somebody else will see your clarified position and continue that line of conversation with you as God enables, since He alone is the One ministering to both of us in this iron sharpens iron discourse.
     
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    Enow Well-Known Member

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    Discipleship is separate from salvation otherwise you would never had received the promise of the Holy Ghost at your salvation since you are still trying to be "obedient" to be saved. So you do have power to follow Him by faith in Him as your Good Shepherd to help you to follow Him because the Holy Spirit is in you testifying to the power of God in salvation for all those who believe in Him, even in His name, that you are saved.

    1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

    John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

    I read obedience as used and referenced in scripture is by believing Him that you are saved and for discipleship is to believe in Him that He will help you to follow Him.

    Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

    We deny ourselves as able to follow Him by our will power and religious flesh such as keeping a commitment or a promise to follow Him. We surrender from these commitments and promises ( the deeds of the law ) o rest in Him that He is in us to help us to follow Him for it is not I who live but Christ lives in me and the life I now live, I live by faith in the Son of God Who gave His life for me. When any body asks you to follow them, they are asking you to trust them. That is what Christ is asking all of us to do so that even little children can come to Him, be saved and look to Him to help them to follow Him. Unless we surrender from our works to rest in Him, we will always be laboring in unbelief as any religious person would be.

    Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

    Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

    Galatians 5:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

    Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:.. 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

    2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

    So are you resting in Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd for how you follow Him? Do you see "obeying" is really done by believing in Him to do it?
     
  15. Mike Waters

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    Little children, try harder (just a tiny bit harder will be OK for starters) to understand what each other is trying to say.
    We each (surely) believe as we do (but often express ourselves inadequately) with heart felt sincerity, but with 'words of the mouth or keyboard' which do not truly express what is in our hearts.
    "By this shall all men fail to recognise that we are His disciples" comes to mind.
     
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    Enow Well-Known Member

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    Apostasy is described in the N.T. for why I quote those references thru out this discussion.

    So it is on those who I see being involved that need to defer from all the trademarks that identifies them with said apostasy.

    So let us say what we really mean and not say anything that can be misconstrued as referring to apostasy for which clarification is needed.
     
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    Your to me is to ask me 4 questions??? And then be dismissive of me by saying "you take it from there" and that is your explanation on how one drinks His blood??? :(

    No scripture to back up what you believe? No historical context on how you came up with your theory on how we drink His blood by reading the bible? Can you at LEAST give me some historical context from whom you learned this theory? OR did you come up with it yourself?
     
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    You are wanting me to try justify myself. I won't do that. What I always try to do is follow the lead of the Holy Spirit. Within the answers to the four questions, I believe, are your answers, but it is to you like Jonah to the accusers of Jesus.

    You have latched onto answers that the CC has developed over the centuries. They have answers to every question of carnal men, and thereby they have constructed a clear road away from God. There are some hearts in the CC directed toward God and He sees them. They are there in spite of the misdirection, instead of because of it. This also too often is the case in Protestant churches.
     
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    I have had 2 Very Paranormal things As in ACTUALLY HEARING GOD.
    Happen in my Life.

    I have had 1,000s of little things happen that were the hand of God.

    But I have only heard God twice.

    If you have not had the Hand of God at work in your life, I am sad for you.
     
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    Marymog Well-Known Member

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    Ummmm.....yes....I think one should "justify" any interpretation of Scripture that is opposite of both Orthodox AND Protestant teaching.....This is not unreasonable!!

    You didn't give an answer because you can't give an answer.....Thank you for your time
     
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