Do we even have the correct definition of "saved?"

[Renniks]

oh but buried and raised part to me means just what i implied, what the Preacher says when we are getting baptized. Ritually.
we just dont pay those words any attn, and move the "buried and raised" part into tomorrow, usually

in our desire to Become Immortal (rather than die to self, overcome the ego, whatever), we turn Christianity into the Cult of Sol, which descended from Mithraism to become accessible to females, so goes the theory
all pretty easily searchable

what did you go out into the wilderness to see, Renniks?
how did you get sucked in?
right?

a search of "Mithraism and" doesnt autocomplete for "Christianity" for nothing imo

You know if you comment without replying, I'm usually not going to see it, because I just check my alerts?
Yes, we are raised with Christ in the here and now, is this your whole point? Eternal life starts at salvation. But, it doesn't become complete in this life.

1Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him. 2Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is. 3And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure.

What hope? The hope of heaven, where we will be truly made like Him.

 

[Taken]

Who do you think you are? Condemning members here to hell?

I am the person who has the right to spit back in the mouth of bbyrd009 , his own words...!!! Post # 234.

Is that a perk given to you for being in the "saved" crowd?

Nope, has nothing to do with being "Saved".

Has everything to do with spitting back to the speaker his OWN words. Post # 234

[QUOTE I tell you...mixing salvation with the ego brings strife....not love.[/QUOTE]

I'll tell you...you want to keep what bbyrd009
Says FOR you...that's your choice...My choice was to give his Lies back to him!

 

[Enow]

He can't, he is still ennamoured with his Greek god, Apollo, whom he worshiped for 40 years and can no longer worship him, because he thinks Apollo is Jesus.

He has openly admitted his confusion (guessing in numerous posts), but laid his confusion (probably) upon his too much studying, and is here asking others questions, so he can reply, that's ok if others say they believe in Jesus, because they are really believing in Satan and condemned to hell...(but no worries God still loves you).

A typical foot soldier for Satan.

I reckon we should pray for him then.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

 

[Taken]

Do we even have the correct definition of "saved?"
^ OP

The "Sav-ed" have the correct definition.

The "non-saved", are still trying to "guess" what "Saved" means.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Enow]

Do we even have the correct definition of "saved?"
^ OP

The "Sav-ed" have the correct definition.

The "non-saved", are still trying to "guess" what "Saved" means.

Glory to God,
Taken

Even the saved that have gone astray but are still saved even as former believers, nevertheless they are still called to depart from iniquity because that foundation was still laid by Jesus Christ and thus cannot be moved, along with that seal of adoption that is not going anywhere ( 2 Timothy 2:18-21 ) for why He still abides. ( 2 Timothy 2:13 )

 

[Taken]

I reckon we should pray for him then.

I pray for all to receive their desires...as God is Faithful to give to all what "They" ask for.

Matt 7:
[8] For every one that asketh receiveth;

Jer 17:
[10] I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways...

Glory to God, Faithful and Just, giving to all their hearts desire.

Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

Matt 24
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in theclouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matt.26
[64] Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in theclouds of heaven.
Mark.13
[26] And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mark.14
[62] And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.



Yes, I say, the same my source says.

OK well right now your thinking literal clouds, but at some point you might come to understand that as an analogy

Why not?

Exactly, why not?

 

[bbyrd009]

Maybe some day, He will confirm the KJV as the Bible for you to rely on, keeping the meat in His words for you to discern good & evil by it with His help.

May I never go back to eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and may I never eat meat again if it offend someone, Imo
But thank you anyway, I know you mean well. “KJV only” is not a very healthy place to be, in my opinion; it seems to generally become an excuse or a justification for someone’s fax? Why rely on only one Group of scribes with an agenda? When you can access the root word and decide for yourself? So no, I am probably not ever going back to that WADR

 

[Episkopos]

Maybe some day, He will confirm the KJV as the Bible for you to rely on, keeping the meat in His words for you to discern good & evil by it with His help.

I guess if the KJV was good enough for Paul it's good enough for me. Always enjoy reading the bible in it's original English form.

 

[bbyrd009]

Thing is, you have to trust Jesus Christ that He is your personal Good Shepherd to help you "get it". And maybe then, you will believe He is God too.

Nowhere have I said to not trust Christ OK? But Jesus is not God, that is just a form of self worship that we now identify as “Jesus Cult,” And you are welcome to it until you get your fill

 

[Enow]

May I never go back to eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and may I never eat meat again if it offend someone, Imo
But thank you anyway, I know you mean well. “KJV only” is not a very healthy place to be, in my opinion; it seems to generally become an excuse or a justification for someone’s fax? Why rely on only one Group of scribes with an agenda? When you can access the root word and decide for yourself? So no, I am probably not ever going back to that WADR

Matthew 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

Yeah.. all that anti KJV bigotry has done a number on you. Now you don't trust any version nor the God that would provide you His words to learn of Him by. Reckon a miracle has to come from Him now.

 

[Taken]

Even the saved that have gone astray but are still saved even as former believers,

Uh, Paul is reiterating to Timothy what to preach, and know that some have heard but yet still sin.

Hearing is not having been Saved.
Hearing and believing is not Saved.

Hearing is a beginning, an introduction.
Even the Disciples in their beginning with learning ABOUT Jesus, believed, doubted, believed, DENIED <--- that is not having been Saved.

The Disciples became Saved...on the day They Confessed with sure heartfelt belief: Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

John 6:
[69] And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

nevertheless they are still called to depart from iniquity because that foundation was still laid by Jesus Christ and thus cannot be moved, along with that seal of adoption that is not going anywhere ( 2 Timothy 2:18-21 ) for why He still abides. ( 2 Timothy 2:13 )

2 Tim 2:
[18] Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

^ Some hearing the Truth were saying things that were not true.
So...Basically what were saying was not true.
So...correct them...

[19] Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

^ Separate issue...^ about Gods Standing regardless of what things men were saying.

[20] But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

^ In the SAME house/Gathering will be men of honor and men of dishonor...
Some will be saved, some not.
The unsaved have the opportunity to become Saved and partake also in Receiving Gods Seal.

^ [21] If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

To the Unsaved. "iF", they purge himself from saying Lies and accrediting those Lies to Gods Word...They could THEN become Sanctified and an honorable servant unto God.

How did you conclude "they" ALL were Saved?

 

[Taken]

Jesus is not God, that is just a form of self worship that we now identify as “Jesus Cult,”

When are you going to identify the NAME of "your CULT and the WE you are part of"?

Hummm?

 

[Enow]

I guess if the KJV was good enough for Paul it's good enough for me. Always enjoy reading the bible in it's original English form.

That is one of the hypocritical anti-KJV diatribe that can be said about any modern Bible in English, right? And I am sure they repeat these anti-KJV rhetoric when the KJV is in Chinese too.

When 2 or 3 are required by practice to establish a testimony in church as the word of God 2 Corinthians 13:1 , not sure why you think over 50 KJV translators split up into 8 groups is not a Biblical way to confirm the translation of the Greek and Hebrew for the KJV.

2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

And all the KJV prayed about this for help from the Lord to do it right, too.

Like Easter when passover is also derived from the Chaldean origin and not Hebrew from the Greek. Jewish tradition has the days of the unleavened bread follow the specific day of the Passover. So "pasco" could not be translated as Passover and since that Herod was not a Jew, the only other public ceremony a that time was Easter for which pasco can also be applied to since it could not be the day of the Passover.

And of course, sone modern Jews would love to group the days of the unleavened bread with the day of Passover to call it altogether Passover to mess with the Christians as not having an accurate Bible in the KJV, but then that would be wrong Biblically as per the O.T. Passover is a feast which is to be entirely different than the following days of the unleavened bread for why they call it the days of the unleavened bread rather than the day of the Passover.

So while everybody thinks they are so smart in dismissing the KJV, people like bbyrd009 go to the way side. So toting leaning the Greek and Hebrew has not done bbyrd009 any favors, now has it? Cause and effect, brother. And even you seem to disregard scripture supporting any dogma or reproving any phenomenon as not of Him, so really... you should take pause and confer with the Lord Jesu Christ in what you are doing.

 

[Episkopos]

That is one of the hypocritical anti-KJV diatribe that can be said about any modern Bible in English, right? And I am sure they repeat these anti-KJV rhetoric when the KJV is in Chinese too.

I hadn't realized that the KJV had been translated into Chinese.

 

[Enow]

Uh, Paul is reiterating to Timothy what to preach, and know that some have heard but yet still sin.

Hearing is not having been Saved.
Hearing and believing is not Saved.

Hearing is a beginning, an introduction.
Even the Disciples in their beginning with learning ABOUT Jesus, believed, doubted, believed, DENIED <--- that is not having been Saved.

The Disciples became Saved...on the day They Confessed with sure heartfelt belief: Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

The contention here is that the promise of the forever indwelling Holy Ghost at our salvation born again of the Spirit moment was not to happen until Jesus was no longer present with them and the Father would send that promise at their salvation which was at the day of Pentecost for why He told them to wait. Pentecost was when they were officially saved and the church began because they all received the promise of the Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ.

John 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 6:
[69] And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

2 Tim 2:
[18] Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

^ Some hearing the Truth were saying things that were not true.
So...Basically what were saying was not true.
So...correct them...

[19] Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

^ Separate issue...^ about Gods Standing regardless of what things men were saying.

[20] But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

^ In the SAME house/Gathering will be men of honor and men of dishonor...
Some will be saved, some not.
The unsaved have the opportunity to become Saved and partake also in Receiving Gods Seal.

^ [21] If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

To the Unsaved. "iF", they purge himself from saying Lies and accrediting those Lies to Gods Word...They could THEN become Sanctified and an honorable servant unto God.

Does not explain how the vessels unto dishonor are still in His House, brother, when the vessels unto honor are those who departed from iniquity.

How did you conclude "they" ALL were Saved?

From what was mentioned earlier in that faithful saying for why you & I are to call even former believers to repentance so they too, can obtain the eternal glory that comes with our salvation which is to be that vessel unto honor in His House..

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Otherwise, to be left behind and resurrected after the great tribulation is a damnation awaiting saved believers because they can never be that vessel unto honor in His House then, once that door to the Marriage Supper is shut at that pre great tribulation rapture event when God judges His House first.

 

[Enow]

I hadn't realized that the KJV had been translated into Chinese.

Just like any other modern English Bible in other languages.

 

[bbyrd009]

Sodzo...the word in the bible for "saved" mainly refers to deliverance and healings in the here and now. God is good and looks after people...both good and evil. He is showing HIS true colours by His mercy, kindness and patience.

The ship that Paul was in that was forced ashore but kept from breaking up...was a salvation work of God. Why are we not happy with that? Did all the people get eternal life? Of course not. But there is a witness there of God's provision.

But there is a religious obsession that comes with that word "saved". When the idea of a permanent salvation is mixed with the ego...you get all manner of evil things.

Taking away the guarantee of eternal success from a person is like taking drugs from a junkie...or candy from a baby. We see the result of that reaction in these threads.

Word

 

[bbyrd009]

"You have professed to be mithraist to the core, just like youre steeped in satans dialectic and use it solely."

"you are condemned to everlasting hell" "at the moment."

I’m not quite getting why you conflated those two, could you clarify a little? Because I think I inferred or basically stated the opposite?

He can't, he is still ennamoured with his Greek god, Apollo, whom he worshiped for 40 years and can no longer worship him, because he thinks Apollo is Jesus.

He has openly admitted his confusion (guessing in numerous posts), but laid his confusion (probably) upon his too much studying, and is here asking others questions, so he can reply, that's ok if others say they believe in Jesus, because they are really believing in Satan and condemned to hell...(but no worries God still loves you).

A typical foot soldier for Satan.

If you go back and look I’m sure you’ll see that I said that does not condemn anyone to hell, Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

Perhaps you could try actually answering a question sometime. I've never even been to Luby, BTW, whatever a Luby is.

Well I will do my best to reply to any direct question you put it to me, and my apologies if I missed any ones. So, Golden corral then LOL. Lubys was a popular Buffay in the south