Is any one really happy here?

[kc_hhsl]

Within your list I disagree. Number 2 - I do not believe in Original Sin the way evangelicals do, I believe in Ancestral Sin in which we are not guilty of Adam's sin but do take part in the consequences (death). The Bible is words of God, Christ is the Word of God. Another extremely important thing that is very essential to me and many other Traditional Christians is the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist so for number 5 Christ returns in every Eucharist but I get your meaning. Number 6 we are saved b Grace through Faith that is not alone. Number 1 yes, number 4 Yes, and number 5 yes. You see your list is your essentials not necessarily mine or others.

So to return it to the OP stated by @Seasoned by Grace , how can we be happy here when we do not have much in common

Not sure why sin is an issue to not believe in: “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23)
As for #5 - talking about the actual physical being of Christ
As for #6 - we are saved by grace and nothing else. We cannot earn our way to heaven through good works.

 

[kc_hhsl]

Facts are simple and facts are straight
Facts are lazy and facts are late
Facts all come with points of view
Facts don't do what I want them to
Facts just twist the truth around
Facts are living turned inside out
Facts are getting the best of themtheir
Facts are nothing on the face of things
Facts don't stain the furniture
Facts go out and slam the door
Facts are written all over your face
Facts continue to change their shape

How trite … heard a 9 year old say something similar in 3rd grade one time. Very quaint.

 

[Neddles]

The 64 dollar question as it were. I came here with no expectations but learned real quick this is the wild west, dog eat dog type of place. If you don't tow the line they way some want you to it's time to start attacking you. I started to attack back and it can get nasty but even though it might get that way it's better than pretending everything is alright when it's not.

On edit: No I am not really happy, I would love a place where Liturgical and Traditional Christianity could be talked about without getting disparaged all the time.

No No No, it's always been $64,000, that's thousand

 

[Neddles]

It's not facts

It's seek, and you shall find, but you shall never stop seeking

 

[Giuliano]

I have heard this many times as if everyone shares essentials and non-essentials. The fact of the matter is not everyone shares essentials and non-essentials, what may be an essential to you may not be a non-essential to me and vice a versa

Indeed, and I am astonished when someone shows up telling other people what they should view as essentials and what not. Who gave them that authority? It makes me want to ask what the man asked Moses, " Who made thee a prince and a judge over us?"

 

[Giuliano]

Essentials -
1 - Deity of Jesus Christ
2 - Original sin - we have all sinned and fall short
3 - The Bible is God's holy word
4 - The Trinity
5 - Jesus died on the cross, rose from the grave, and ascended into heaven, and will return
6 - Salvation - can only be through Jesus Christ through faith

Could expand the verbiage but that sums the essentials up.

My list is different. I haven't thought of a complete list; but here are two items that would be on mine.

Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

 

[bbyrd009]

How trite … heard a 9 year old say something similar in 3rd grade one time. Very quaint.

ah well sorry you didnt like it; its a great song imo.
kinda struck me more like something a four year old would sing
anyway, great album even, and i hope you dont let an idiot like me ruin it for you lol

eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge, and speaking in satan's dialectic, are things we are all raised up to do i guess, pretty much. You might note what your list of definitives has done, maybe? Not even saying that i would disagree with most of them, bc that isnt really the point, which is i guess he who says he knows, does not.

So, i dont expect you to abandon satan's dialectic like right away or anything, but you might contemplate how you are being heard? Standing where it should not be is a hard place to abandon though, huh

Could expand the verbiage but that sums the essentials up.

once again proving the Scripture he who says he knows, does not and im only sorry that you are the victim here at the moment, honest. Forrest already knows better imo. Anyway welcome to CB, im mark, and imo your list is fine as long as no one compares it to Scripture, wadr. Ha you think youre pissed now see, but if i did that you would be like apoplectic prolly

wow, dont think ive ever used that term either lol

"'If you die today are you prepared for where you will find yourself tomorrow?' De Colores"
you and your sons will be here with me
No one has ever gone up to heaven
There is only One Immortal

"I came that you might have death, more abundantly"

 

[bbyrd009]

On edit: No I am not really happy, I would love a place where Liturgical and Traditional Christianity could be talked about without getting disparaged all the time.

i tried a couple Catholic sites and got discouraged, but i really havent done a survey; is there really no forum where a Catholic might go and find agreement? Seems hard to believe; we have several quite thoughtful ppl here from the RCC.

but wadr it strikes me as like masochistic or something to come to a forum predominated by "Protestants?"

No me can't

i might suggest that you and the other Romans here start a forum? Tbh id love to see a Catholic subforum here, dunno if that will ever happen though, but i say this bc when boundary stones are respected, even professing believers are (a bit) more likely to behave when visiting, being in a "foreign country" as it were?

 

[Enoch111]

but wadr it strikes me as like masochistic or something to come to a forum predominated by "Protestants?"

Could this be applicable to you? You might be more comfortable on a Muslim site, since you reject Bible Christianity and scoff at Christians.

 

[kc_hhsl]

Indeed, and I am astonished when someone shows up telling other people what they should view as essentials and what not. Who gave them that authority? It makes me want to ask what the man asked Moses, " Who made thee a prince and a judge over us?"

Who said anyone had authority or was claiming authority? But it does beg the question - if you are a Christian and claim to be then don't you believe:

1 - Jesus Christ was born a virgin birth, died on a cross, arose from the grave 3 days later, then ascended into heave?

2 - That all have sinned and that salvation can only be by asking Jesus Christ for forgiveness and that it is grace through faith that you receive salvation - and not through good works.

3 - That the Bible is God's infallible word

4 - That God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are one in the same yet separate and distinct

 

[kc_hhsl]

On edit: No I am not really happy, I would love a place where Liturgical and Traditional Christianity could be talked about without getting disparaged all the time.

This board is interesting to say the least. Some respond in gibberish or it sounds like some respond with flat out rudeness. Maybe they are snowflakes who just cannot get a grip on their lives and are finding out their belief system is wrong.

 

[Giuliano]

Who said anyone had authority or was claiming authority? But it does beg the question - if you are a Christian and claim to be then don't you believe:

1 - Jesus Christ was born a virgin birth, died on a cross, arose from the grave 3 days later, then ascended into heave?

2 - That all have sinned and that salvation can only be by asking Jesus Christ for forgiveness and that it is grace through faith that you receive salvation - and not through good works.

3 - That the Bible is God's infallible word

4 - That God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are one in the same yet separate and distinct

If you know you have no authority, why you think that if someone is a Christian he needs to agree with you and your ideas of which doctrines are essential and which are not?

Do not try to grill me on what I believe. I've no motive to tell you very much about what I believe when you act like the Spanish Inquisition. I couldn't change your mind since you think you know it all already, don't you? If I disagreed with you, I'd be wasting my time trying to convince you of anything. Why bother?

 

[historyb]

Not sure why sin is an issue to not believe in: “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23)

I simply do not believe in the western idea of Original Sin that we are guilty of Adam's sin but as I said believe we inherited the consequences of such sin. Here is a very brief synopsis of Ancestral Sin "The consequences and penalties of this ancestral act are transferred by means of natural heredity to the entire human race. Since every human is a descendant of Adam then 'no one is free from the implications of this sin' (which is human death) and that the only way to be freed from this is through baptism"

Original sin - OrthodoxWiki

As for #5 - talking about the actual physical being of Christ

Which is the Real Presence. The Real Presence is not something mystical but real that is why those of us Traditional Christians can say in the Liturgy "Christ has died, Christ is risen, and Christ will come again (right now)." because Christ is there. If you noticed I told you I understood your point.

As for #6 - we are saved by grace and nothing else. We cannot earn our way to heaven through good works.

I agree the Grace of God saves us through faith and baptism, which is not a work of man but a Grace of God.

Once again just because you have essentials does not mean everyone shares them and vice versa.

 

[historyb]

Indeed, and I am astonished when someone shows up telling other people what they should view as essentials and what not. Who gave them that authority? It makes me want to ask what the man asked Moses, " Who made thee a prince and a judge over us?"

Exactly

 

[historyb]

i tried a couple Catholic sites and got discouraged, but i really havent done a survey; is there really no forum where a Catholic might go and find agreement? Seems hard to believe; we have several quite thoughtful ppl here from the RCC.

but wadr it strikes me as like masochistic or something to come to a forum predominated by "Protestants?"

i might suggest that you and the other Romans here start a forum? Tbh id love to see a Catholic subforum here, dunno if that will ever happen though, but i say this bc when boundary stones are respected, even professing believers are (a bit) more likely to behave when visiting, being in a "foreign country" as it were?

I am not Catholic, I am a Liturgical Christian whom belongs to the Charismatic Episcopal Church.

 

[Dcopymope]

Hi folks
The reason I ask is because I have only been here a little over a week and was nicely welcomed, but shortly after that at least one welcomer who really post's a lot here,
turned on me and attacked me pretty harshly, and then a woman here did the same thing. Hey , I've only been here a week and consider myself a pretty, friendly guy, and pretty happy.
I ended up using the "IGNORE Feature" and that helped a lot.

But boy,after reading other posts and topics and how people go at it with each other, with NO LOVE INTENDED, It feels like I'm on one of my other Non-Christian forums, where people like to tear into each other brutally, with no intentions but to destroy their perceived foes..
I thought there was supposed to be a difference
.
I came here to enjoy sharing in Christ's word, and sharing in different opinions and different perspectives, but I'm wondering how to do that now.

I'm not a fighter and wouldn't think I should need THICK SKIN to be here, but it's almost like people come here to be "GLADIATORS" to fight in the arena of Christian warfare.

I didn't come here to "SURVIVE", but hoped to THRIVE, but maybe that isn't the point here.

Maybe someone here can help me out, and give me some advise - like maybe ...run for your life.

My name is OLIGOS

The same people attacking you for having a different viewpoint are non existent on other forums defending their faith against non believers like I have, giving reasonable, apologetic arguments, as one would call them, for why I believe what I believe. I'm also willing to bet they wouldn't exhibit such hostile behavior towards you face to face either. Its easy to act like a touch guy in the safe space of your own home.

 

[kc_hhsl]

I simply do not believe in the western idea of Original Sin that we are guilty of Adam's sin but as I said believe we inherited the consequences of such sin. Here is a very brief synopsis of Ancestral Sin "The consequences and penalties of this ancestral act are transferred by means of natural heredity to the entire human race. Since every human is a descendant of Adam then 'no one is free from the implications of this sin' (which is human death) and that the only way to be freed from this is through baptism"

Original sin - OrthodoxWiki

Which is the Real Presence. The Real Presence is not something mystical but real that is why those of us Traditional Christians can say in the Liturgy "Christ has died, Christ is risen, and Christ will come again (right now)." because Christ is there. If you noticed I told you I understood your point.

I agree the Grace of God saves us through faith and baptism, which is not a work of man but a Grace of God.

Once again just because you have essentials does not mean everyone shares them and vice versa.

Off the cuff one can classify sin however they want. The basis of the fact all of sinned - separates us from God. No matter who ...

Actually it is not I who have the essentials - they are what God put in place. Agree with them or deny them all that you want … they come from God's word.

 

[kc_hhsl]

The same people attacking you for having a different viewpoint are non existent on other forums defending their faith against non believers like I have, giving reasonable, apologetic arguments, as one would call them, for why I believe what I believe. I'm also willing to bet they wouldn't exhibit such hostile behavior towards you face to face either. Its easy to act like a touch guy in the safe space of your own home.

From what I've seen those who jump into a discussion in an antagonistic manner or one posting nothin but blah blah blah are unable to give a reasonable response let alone an apologetic argument. I've got a feeling this forum is full of non-believers who are more out here to cause dissension more so than to actually have a coherent conversation.

 

[Hidden In Him]

The same people attacking you for having a different viewpoint are non existent on other forums defending their faith against non believers like I have, giving reasonable, apologetic arguments, as one would call them, for why I believe what I believe. I'm also willing to bet they wouldn't exhibit such hostile behavior towards you face to face either. Its easy to act like a touch guy in the safe space of your own home.

In general, having to defend one's own positions is a lot harder than simply trying to force others to defend theirs. Hard to find people that will fully engage you in a discussion without eventually getting all upset, and I think that has a lot to do with spiritual maturity.

God bless, btw. Good to see you still around.

 

[kc_hhsl]

Do not try to grill me on what I believe. I've no motive to tell you very much about what I believe when you act like the Spanish Inquisition. I couldn't change your mind since you think you know it all already, don't you? If I disagreed with you, I'd be wasting my time trying to convince you of anything. Why bother?

First off you are the one who jumped into the thread saying you were astounded …

And if my posting four or five biblical points in a response is viewed as the Spanish Inquisition … well I truly do feel sorry for you about.

As for convincing me - you are wrong. If you can show me in the Bible where I am wrong in what I am saying I have no issue changing my thought process. Can you say the same?