Not by works - but by faith

[Episkopos]

Lots of good stuff here!

I understand God accepts us, we do not accept Him.

I understand the entire world," the field" has been bought by the work of Christ, the sacrifice of the perfect life of Christ. So the sins of the entire world are covered, past present, and future. But, that Grace doesn't benefit us unless we respond to the call of the Father " by Faith." And the application of how we receive Grace by Faith is the big problem!

How do you understand we receive Christ and His Grace by Faith?

I understand grace as the power of God that takes us into the will of God....the power to BE as Christ in the world.

By OUR faith we walk as good as we can according to our own level of maturity.
But by the faith OF Christ we walk as He walked. That is how we overcome sin. To do that we are translated to being IN Him by faith.

So there are 2 levels of faith. We are going from our faith to His faith. From faith to Faith. But we must be fully seeking God (surrendered) with the whole heart with OUR faith before we get the "upgrade" of faith to walk IN Christ. And it is God who accepts people into His Son and the eternal life. Not us who decides.

Holiness is built on righteousness. An upper room so to speak.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Exactly, I pointed this all out before long ago, yet people continue to peddle this obvious falsehood. I'm betting part of the reason is due to their need to portray God as this hell fire, despotic being, without mercy, when he is described as nothing of the kind.

One thing is people need to realize hell was made for Satan and his angels
Not Mankind

God also paid the debt of all mankind so has made a way for all Mankind to escape that punishment

People lead themselves to the firy hell. God does not force them there

as they say. You make your own bed sleep in it

 

[Faither]

I understand grace as the power of God that takes us into the will of God....the power to BE as Christ in the world.

By OUR faith we walk as good as we can according to our own level of maturity.
But by the faith OF Christ we walk as He walked. That is how we overcome sin. To do that we are translated to being IN Him by faith.

So there are 2 levels of faith. We are going from our faith to His faith. From faith to Faith. But we must be fully seeking God (surrendered) with the whole heart with OUR faith before we get the "upgrade" of faith to walk IN Christ. And it is God who accepts people into His Son and the eternal life. Not us who decides.

Holiness is built on righteousness. An upper room so to speak.

We might be on the same page, which would be extremely rare.

What specifically is the application of Faith in your understanding that results in recieving the Spirit of Christ? From the very beginning?

 

[Episkopos]

We might be on the same page, which would be extremely rare.

What specifically is the application of Faith in your understanding that results in recieving the Spirit of Christ? From the very beginning?

I don't think we can boil down to a easy repetitive formula so to speak. We cry out to God...in repentance....or, if we don't even know how to repent, we just ask the Lord for His help. His response is to give us His holy Spirit.

But it is God who decides how deeply that will affect us. To whom much is given more is required. So He gives us each a portion of His Spirit. We are then responsible to produce the proper fruit given that amount of grace.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well since I answered your question, could you answer the one I asked?

At the very beginning, when we are called by the Father to Christ, do we have the Spirit of Christ yet?

you did not answer his question

How many works are enough works?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Amen! It is quite unusual these days to find people who actually understand the way in Christ as opposed to the popular "other" gospel of self-justification.

Where do we draw the line for how much is enough on our part to please God? Well WE don't draw the line...God does. It is the very opponents of truth that seek to draw their own lines. These cannot leave things in God's hands.

It is God who judges...not we who decide. We don't accept Christ....we need to be accepted into the beloved.

So then many have an exactly backwards understanding of the salvation process.

We are BEING saved....but sanctification is instant by entering into Christ. Putting on the new Man. There is no sanctification process. sanctification is a gift...but a final salvation is conditional. (although we may experience many salvations along the way) There is a maturing process in sanctification.....towards a final salvation. So the WE are to become mature through trials and patience in those. But the purity of God in holiness is never ours. It is HIS life that makes us holy. Holiness is a gift. He GIVES grace to the humble. And grace is the power that brings holiness.

so we self justify ourselves by doing certain works?

Which ones?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Lots of good stuff here!

I understand God accepts us, we do not accept Him.

I understand the entire world," the field" has been bought by the work of Christ, the sacrifice of the perfect life of Christ. So the sins of the entire world are covered, past present, and future. But, that Grace doesn't benefit us unless we respond to the call of the Father " by Faith." And the application of how we receive Grace by Faith is the big problem!

How do you understand we receive Christ and His Grace by Faith?

God accepts us on what basis?

 

[Faither]

I don't think we can boil down to a easy repetitive formula so to speak. We cry out to God...in repentance....or, if we don't even know how to repent, we just ask the Lord for His help. His response is to give us His holy Spirit.

But it is God who decides how deeply that will affect us. To whom much is given more is required. So He gives us each a portion of His Spirit. We are then responsible to produce the proper fruit given that amount of grace.

Well Faith is a noun, Pistis in the Greek. Pistis is used 245 times in the NT.
Pisteuo,is the corresponding verb to the noun Faith and is used 248 times in the NT.

The problem is the English language doesn't have a corresponding verb to the noun Faith like the Greek does.

Pisteuo in relationship to the living God is a specific act, based upon a specific belief, sustained by a specific kind of confidence.

Pisteuo is an action word. The Greek doesn't allow work and effort to be separated from the application of Faith. Only the mistranslated English words believe, believer, and believing do this. These 3 mistranslated words changed the understanding of how we connect with God into a kind of Luke warm half measure that will avail nothing.

The Greek doesn't have those words in its dictionary. The English should have had the words faithe, faither, and faithing to correctly translate pisteuo.

The words believer, and believing are corresponding verbs to the noun" Belief"not " Faith ".

And because of this mistranslation, the specific understanding of saving Faith has been lost.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well Faith is a noun, Pistis in the Greek. Pistis is used 245 times in the NT.
Pisteuo,is the corresponding verb to the noun Faith and is used 248 times in the NT.

The problem is the English language doesn't have a corresponding verb to the noun Faith like the Greek does.

Pisteuo in relationship to the living God is a specific act, based upon a specific belief, sustained by a specific kind of confidence.

Pisteuo is an action word. The Greek doesn't allow work and effort to be separated from the application of Faith. Only the mistranslated English words believe, believer, and believing do this. These 3 mistranslated words changed the understanding of how we connect with God into a kind of Luke warm half measure that will avail nothing.

The Greek doesn't have those words in its dictionary. The English should have had the words faithe, faither, and faithing to correctly translate pisteuo.

The words believer, and believing are corresponding verbs to the noun" Belief"not " Faith ".

And because of this mistranslation, the specific understanding of saving Faith has been lost.

Faith is an assurance.

it is different from mere belief, as in belief is just knowledge based. No assurance is necessary

Works are not required for faith. it is a byproduct of faith If you trust someone, you will at least do some of what they say)

James speaks of people who claim to have faith but has zero works period.

James calls this faith dead. or belief as in the demons believe also.

Mere belief has no assurance, It never repented. and it does not have power

thats why there is no works

But remember, These same people were in church. They were seating people (most likely ushers) many claim this as works. so it is not the actions which are in question. it is something else.

 

[Faither]

God accepts us on what basis?

Our Faith! The problem is you've probably never been told what true NT saving Faith is.
Want to take a shot at it?

 

[Faither]

Faith is an assurance.

it is different from mere belief, as in belief is just knowledge based. No assurance is necessary

Works are not required for faith. it is a byproduct of faith If you trust someone, you will at least do some of what they say)

James speaks of people who claim to have faith but has zero works period.

James calls this faith dead. or belief as in the demons believe also.

Mere belief has no assurance, It never repented. and it does not have power

thats why there is no works

But remember, These same people were in church. They were seating people (most likely ushers) many claim this as works. so it is not the actions which are in question. it is something else.

Who told you Faith is an assurance?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Our Faith! The problem is you've probably never been told what true NT saving Faith is.
Want to take a shot at it?

for we walk by FAITH not by SITE

Faith is the substance of things HOPED FOR the evidence of things NOT SEEN

By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

in the HOPE of eternal life, which God, who CAN NOT LIE, promised before time began

For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Need more?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Who told you Faith is an assurance?

look up the defenition of the word pistuo You will see the word assurance and conviction which is deeper than the word belief

 

[Faither]

for we walk by FAITH not by SITE

Faith is the substance of things HOPED FOR the evidence of things NOT SEEN

By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

in the HOPE of eternal life, which God, who CAN NOT LIE, promised before time began

For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Need more?

Yes, the specific act of Faith that saves.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, the specific act of Faith that saves.

Faith is not an act, we are saved by Grace, which is Gods act. As jesus said, it is the work of God we believe. Faith is not an act

Faith is the root of our understanding and hope that gets us to call out on the name of the lord.

 

[Faither]

Faith is not an act, we are saved by Grace, which is Gods act. As jesus said, it is the work of God we believe. Faith is not an act

Faith is the root of our understanding and hope that gets us to call out on the name of the lord.

Then I won't bother you with anything more like what the Greek definition of pisteuo is.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Then I won't bother you with anything more like what the Greek definition of pisteuo is.

I already gave you the Greek definition and the biblical definition

maybe it would Not bother you to read what I wrote

 

[Faither]

I already gave you the Greek definition and the biblical definition

maybe it would Not bother you to read what I wrote

Been studying about pisteuo for 33 years. You can't even spell it correctly.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

For 30 years and you still
Do Not know the biblical definition?

funny how you asked if I wanted to know the biblical defenition I gave it and you never responded

 

[Eternally Grateful]

By the way faith is one word
If it takes you 30 years to figure out what it means something is wrong