Coronavirus spreading

[Dcopymope]

And the mainstream media decided that that principle should be VIOLATED every day. So they lie through their teeth daily and think that people are too stupid to see through their FAKE NEWS.

There is not one journalist on the Left who has had the courage and the honesty to tell his fellow Leftists and the Democrats to stop lying to the people.

There are no laws or amendment in the constitution requiring the media to report the news in a straight up factual non-sensationalist manner. It is strictly a private business venture. There is no incentive to trust the media on anything whatsoever.

 

[Giuliano]

And the mainstream media decided that that principle should be VIOLATED every day. So they lie through their teeth daily and think that people are too stupid to see through their FAKE NEWS.

There is not one journalist on the Left who has had the courage and the honesty to tell his fellow Leftists and the Democrats to stop lying to the people.

What are you talking about? You expect a journalist on the left to say to other people on the left, "Admit it, Trump is right. You know this coronavirus is another hoax."

 

[Yehren]

A principle of democracy is that people can be trusted with the truth.

And the mainstream media decided that that principle should be VIOLATED every day. So they lie through their teeth daily and think that people are too stupid to see through their FAKE NEWS.

So you're saying that Trump was telling us all along that this pandemic was going to explode with new cases and deaths, while the "mainstream media" (and pretty much every other kind of media but Fox) was saying that we had it "controlled?" You very sure about that? (Barbarian checks)

No, it turns out that Trump was saying it was controlled and was going to go away quickly, while the free media was publishing warnings by epidemiologists that were were going to be in big trouble, if we didn't act quickly. Your denials don't really matter at all.

Who turned out to be telling the truth? Right. Trump lied, and it's killing people right now.

 

[Yehren]

What are you talking about? You expect a journalist on the left to say to other people on the left, "Admit it, Trump is right. You know this coronavirus is another hoax."

Fox did it. Of course, it led to a huge panic when people learned that Trump and his people were lying. And a good deal of anger when people learned that a number of senators were told the truth by Trump's people, at the same time Trump was lying to us. The Senators took that inside information and sold stocks likely to be hurt by the pandemic.

 

[Yehren]

Careful not to look only to the politics.

In the beginning all truth was not given...on purpose. If it was and is good of God to have done the same in the beginning, the same is not wrong by leaders.

When people realize their leaders have lied to them about something this dangerous, it leads to panic. He should never have lied.

"Long lines & empty shelves in stores and a leader nobody believes on TV saying everything is fine. Back in the USSR!"
Gary Kasporov

 

[Yehren]

From the CDC today:
March 24 (GMT)

• 5860 new cases and 69 new deaths in the United States.
• New York Governor Cuomo says: [live streaming]
  • 
    
  • Peak number of cases is still 2 to 3 weeks away in New York
  • "We've procured about 7,000 ventilators. We need, as a minimum, other 30,000 ventilators. This is a critical and desperate need for ventilators [..] We need them in 14 days. Fema is sending 400 ventilators only. Federal action is needed to address this now through the Federal Defense Production Act"
  • "The numbers are higher in New York because it started here first, it has a lot of international travelers and has high density, but you will see this in cities all across the country, and in suburban communities. Where we are today, you'll be in 4 weeks or 6 weeks.
  • Probably "hundreds of thousands of people" have already had Covid-19, didn't know they had it, and recovered. Should be tested for antibodies so they could go back to work and keep the economy going.

United States Coronavirus: 49,594 Cases and 622 Deaths - Worldometer

 

[Yehren]

There is not one journalist on the Left who has had the courage and the honesty to tell his fellow Leftists and the Democrats to stop lying to the people.

Trump isn't a leftist. He was telling us that the outbreak was "controlled" when in fact he knew it was spiralling out of control. There's no way to hide the truth in a society with a free press.

Because he lied and delayed action, thousands more will die.

 

[Enoch111]

...when in fact he knew it was spiralling out of control.

Well the truth is that it was NOT spiralling out of control except in a few states, particularly New York state. But the MSM were trying to create mass hysteria and panic.

Don't forget that both China and WHO deliberately misled the world. But Trump's response overall has been OUTSTANDING compared to Obama's (which you will neither acknowledge nor commend).

 

[ScottA]

When people realize their leaders have lied to them about something this dangerous, it leads to panic. He should never have lied.

"Long lines & empty shelves in stores and a leader nobody believes on TV saying everything is fine. Back in the USSR!"
Gary Kasporov

If you cannot see God withholding all truth for a time, and men doing likewise, then my telling you of it is rather pointless. But that is not "lying" by them, but "blindness" by those who will not see.

 

[Yehren]

Well the truth is that it was NOT spiralling out of control

Well, let's take a look...
United States Coronavirus: 52,921 Cases and 684 Deaths - Worldometer

So there you are. As you now realize, Trump administration officials, even as Trump was hiding the truth, were telling senators that it was going to be bad. Some of them went and sold stock that would take a hit when it did get bad.

except in a few states, particularly New York state.

Notice it's moving out into other areas now. If Trump hadn't wasted time trying to hide the truth, it wouldn't be as bad as it is now. South Korea had the same exposure at the same time we did. But their leader didn't lie about it, and took immediate action. Want to see how that matches up with our situation?

But the MSM were trying to create mass hysteria and panic.

The story every wannabee dictator peddles; "if we tell you the truth, we'll have panic and hysteria." Fact is, panic comes about when the people know that their leaders are lying to them about how bad it is.

Don't forget that both China and WHO deliberately misled the world.

Sorry, no bunny trails for you, today.

But Trump's response overall has been OUTSTANDING

Disbanding our national security pandemic team in 2018 was beyond stupid. Telling us that it was "contained", when he knew the number of deaths would rise exponentially was anything but outstanding. You can't fast-talk reality into going away. Then he panicked and announced it was real after weeks of calling it a hoax.

(Yehren notes self-destructive bunny trail attempt)

compared to Obama's (which you will neither acknowledge nor commend).

Obama didn't lie abut Ebola, for example. And he empowered people who actually knew what they were talking about to do what was necessary at once. The outcome was different. For those reasons. Yes, I know Trump's go-to excuse is to blame Obama. America's not buying it.

Most Americans do not trust President Donald Trump to be honest about the COVID-19 threat, a new poll has found.

The latest survey from Yahoo! News and YouGov found that 53 percent of polled U.S. adults did not have faith in the president to tell the truth about the threat of the new coronavirus, while a third of those polled said they trusted the commander-in-chief.

A further 14 percent of the 1,635 U.S. adults polled said they were "not sure" whether they trusted Trump on the matter.
Majority of Americans don't trust Donald Trump to tell truth about coronavirus threat: Poll

 

[Yehren]

If you cannot see God withholding all truth for a time, and men doing likewise, then my telling you of it is rather pointless. But that is not "lying" by them, but "blindness" but those who will not see.

He knew it was coming and knew it was bad. His administration even told senators the truth at the same time they were lying to us.

Trump Officials Warned of Coronavirus Economic Impact Before Senators Sold Off Their Stock
In a Jan. 24 briefing, top health officials were blunt that the coronavirus was going to have a deep effect on American society. In the days after, some lawmakers dumped stocks.
Trump Officials Warned of Coronavirus Economic Impact Before Senators Sold Off Their Stock

 

[reformed1689]

We're not all going to die. But more of us will die because of the cover-up

There was no cover-up. You are part of the problem. Creating mass hysteria.

 

[Yehren]

We're not all going to die. But more of us will die because of the cover-up

There was no cover-up.

He knew it was coming and knew it was bad. His administration even told senators the truth at the same time they were lying to us.

Trump Officials Warned of Coronavirus Economic Impact Before Senators Sold Off Their Stock
In a Jan. 24 briefing, top health officials were blunt that the coronavirus was going to have a deep effect on American society. In the days after, some lawmakers dumped stocks.
Trump Officials Warned of Coronavirus Economic Impact Before Senators Sold Off Their Stock

Lying to Americans was the problem. Initially, that caused panic, and runs on stores. Fortunately, most Americans quickly adjusted to the reality that their president was lying to them, and found information elsewhere. State, county, and local governments ignored Trump and began to do the necessary things; hopefully, that will limit the damage Trump did by ignoring the problem until it spun out of control.

 

[ScottA]

He knew it was coming and knew it was bad. His administration even told senators the truth at the same time they were lying to us.

Trump Officials Warned of Coronavirus Economic Impact Before Senators Sold Off Their Stock
In a Jan. 24 briefing, top health officials were blunt that the coronavirus was going to have a deep effect on American society. In the days after, some lawmakers dumped stocks.
Trump Officials Warned of Coronavirus Economic Impact Before Senators Sold Off Their Stock

Look...you are so hung up on the politics you are not seeing things clearly, not as even being comparable to God himself. You are calling good evil.

Look at the comparisons:

You said, "He (Trump) knew it was coming and knew it was bad." ...So did God with regard to the fall of all mankind and the world.

You said, "His (Trump's) administration even told senators the truth at the same time they were lying to us." ...So did God also tell the prophets at the same time He withheld things from the masses.​

...You are speaking against God's own methods. But by your own statements, you show Trump doing things perfect, just as God is perfect. Your witness is against yourself.

 

[Yehren]

Look...you are so hung up on the politics you are not seeing things clearly, not as even being comparable to God himself. You are calling good evil.

No. It is never good for a president to lie to us about something as potentially disastrous as the COVID-19 pandemic. He should not have lied. There is nothing good about it. Whether or not he's evil, I will let God decide. I'm merely pointing out that lying about it has made it worse, and caused panic among Americans.

God does not lie. He may withhold things from us; He is God, and that is His place to do if He so wills. But He does not lie. Trump is our servant, not our God, but even if he was set over us, he shouldn't lie to us.

You said, "His (Trump's) administration even told senators the truth at the same time they were lying to us." ...So did God also tell the prophets at the same time He withheld things from the masses.

Trump is not God, and republican senators are not God's prophets. And God never lied to us, as Trump does. That's not "political"; it's just one of God's commandments.

But by your own statements, you show Trump doing things perfect, just as God is perfect.

It is never "perfect" to lie. Never. God never lies. Trump lies constantly, and lied to us repeatedly when he knew his statements were not true. By his lying to us and his inaction, many more people will die. Compare South Korea, which had the same initial exposure, but where the government acted quickly and told the truth about the pandemic to the South Korean people.
South Korea Coronavirus: 9,037 Cases and 120 Deaths - Worldometer

The exponential phase is over there; the pandemic is manageable, as infections are now declining.

Do you see now, why it is a bad thing for a leader to lie to Americans about such things? Your witness is against yourself.

 

[ScottA]

No. It is never good for a president to lie to us about something as potentially disastrous as the COVID-19 pandemic. He should not have lied. There is nothing good about it. Whether or not he's evil, I will let God decide. I'm merely pointing out that lying about it has made it worse, and caused panic among Americans.

God does not lie. He may withhold things from us; He is God, and that is His place to do if He so wills. But He does not lie. Trump is our servant, not our God, but even if he was set over us, he shouldn't lie to us.



Trump is not God, and republican senators are not God's prophets. And God never lied to us, as Trump does. That's not "political"; it's just one of God's commandments.

That is double-speak.

Any man (the head of his family, just as Christ/God is head of the church) would withhold information and deliver it in good time, just as God does. But Trump does exactly that, and you call it "lying." Well...there is a term for that too, just as I have told you.

 

[Yehren]

That is double-speak.

"Double-speak" would be equating God withholding information from us, with Trump lying to us.

Any man (the head of his family, just as Christ/God is head of the church) would withhold information and deliver it in good time

No decent man would lie to the people he's supposed to be serving. And that's what Trump did.

But Trump does exactly that, and you call it "lying."

When he knows the truth and tells us something else, that's the word that fits. We know he knew better, because at the same time he was telling us that everything was under control, his people were telling senators that that it was going to be bad.

No point in denying it.

Well...there is a term for that too, just as I have told you.

He lied. No way to dodge it.

 

[ScottA]

"Double-speak" would be equating God withholding information from us, with Trump lying to us.



No decent man would lie to the people he's supposed to be serving. And that's what Trump did.



When he knows the truth and tells us something else, that's the word that fits. We know he knew better, because at the same time he was telling us that everything was under control, his people were telling senators that that it was going to be bad.

No point in denying it.



He lied. No way to dodge it.

By that (your) standard, you have judged God.

So be it. So shall you be judged.

 

[Yehren]

"Double-speak" would be equating God withholding information from us, with Trump lying to us.
No decent man would lie to the people he's supposed to be serving. And that's what Trump did.

By that (your) standard, you have judged God.

Nope. Maybe by your standard. But by mine, Trump is closer to the antithesis of God.

So be it. So shall you be judged.

Fortunately, you don't get to decide. You aren't God, either.

 

[ScottA]

"Double-speak" would be equating God withholding information from us, with Trump lying to us.
No decent man would lie to the people he's supposed to be serving. And that's what Trump did.



Nope. Maybe by your standard. But by mine, Trump is closer to the antithesis of God.



Fortunately, you don't get to decide. You aren't God, either.

He has already decided. And now you have done it to me, and to God.

Keep digging, you're almost there.