Virgin Mary Had Other Children After Jesus

[Joseph77]

See this: since, in the red, you are bearing false witness, therefore none of the rest of your post, based on your false assumption, is valid at all...

i.e. it is not I, it is you, who do not know God's Word, nor God's Power.... so far.

you who are seeking to be justified by law

 

[Grailhunter]

See this: since, in the red, you are bearing false witness, therefore none of the rest of your post, based on your false assumption, is valid at all...

i.e. it is not I, it is you, who do not know God's Word, nor God's Power.... so far.

What I said is a fact....

I guess you do not know that Paul's ministry was dogged by people like you...Judaizers
I guess you do not know that the first council in Jerusalem was about this very topic.
I guess you do not know that Paul said over and over that Christians are not under the Mosaic Law.
I guess you do not know that Paul put a curse on it. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

All you have to do is read the Bible to prove this.

 

[Joseph77]

What I said is a fact....

What you posted, now again, is a lie - a false witness, about both Scripture and about what I am seeking.

All you have to do is read the Bible to prove this.

Since you know neither Scripture , nor the power of God, your errors multiply with each post you make.

Since you bear false witness even after being told it is false, you are liable for judgment, as God chooses. He is the Judge.

 

[Paul Christensen]

That's why Catholics don't "worship" anything or anybody other than God.
If somebody "worships" an image - they are pagans - NOT Catholics.

Get your facts straight . . .

So, as the Catholic prayer book has prayers in it to Mary as the Queen of Heaven whose intercession for sinners is the only way they can be saved, this is not idolatry? And when Catholics pray to the box where the Eucharist host is stored, is that not idolatry as well? What about when people kneel before statues of Mary in worship?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The Christ of the Bible is not pagan. But the image of Christ on the crucifix is an idol and anyone who worships a crucifix is breaking the second commandment.

A cross without Jesus on it is but a trinket and totally worthless such means nothing at all to do with Jesus, Jesus on the Cross points out the fact about you all, what Godless fools did to him because of a flesh worldly ignorance.
Their it is in your face and a worldly don't like the fact.
A cross could mean anything and it is of no worth in Christianity unless it's Jesus on the cross.
One should preach a crucified Christ !
No Christian worships a crucifix.

I have come across such rubbish of some clown making out dribble claiming that the RCC is crucifying Jesus every Sunday and eating his flesh and drinking his blood in a worldly sense, no one could be so stupid ! only a worldly clown would swallow that nonsense. but I had a satanic moron claiming to be a Christian yelling at me, demanding that that is what the RCC are doing. Total Blasphemy ! he was demanding that I had to believe him. It started off because I pointed out that the Cross must have Jesus on it to be worthy of the reality, but he has a spack attack about it. I was on about the RC School my children went to and the rubbish crosses that I took offence to that they have nowadays.

 

[Taken]

You can reject the Catechism until the COWS come home because this isn't what we're talking about.

You're changing the subject because I caught you in TWO lies:
- Your false claim that the Israelites "KNEW" where Moses was buried.
They did NOT.
- Your false claim that the Bible teaches that Mary was the "mother" of the "named adelphoi" of Jesus.
It does NOT.

Now - simply admit that you LIED - and move on . . .

LOL

 

[Taken]

So, as the Catholic prayer book has prayers in it to Mary as the Queen of Heaven whose intercession for sinners is the only way they can be saved, this is not idolatry? And when Catholics pray to the box where the Eucharist host is stored, is that not idolatry as well? What about when people kneel before statues of Mary in worship?

Don't ya know ... they can make whatever is true or false by simply saying it is or isn't true?


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Really??
Ummmm, Martin Luther would disagree with you . . .

“If your Papist wishes to make a great fuss about the word "alone" (sola), say this to him: ‘Dr. Martin Luther will have it so and he says that a papist and an ass are the same thing’.”

“Please do not give these asses any other answer to their useless braying about that word "sola" than simply ‘Luther will have it so, and he says that he is a doctor above all the papal doctors’."

“I know quite well how much skill, hard work, understanding and intelligence is needed for a good translation. They know it less than even the miller's ass for they have never tried it.

And finally, he admitted adding the word 'alone' to Rom. 3:28 of his own volition: “If your Papist annoys you with the word ('alone'), tell him straightway, ‘Dr. Martin Luther will have it so’: Papist and ass are one and the same thing. Whoever will not have my translation, let him give it the go-by: the devil's thanks to him who censures it without my will and knowledge. Luther will have it so, and he is a doctor above all the doctors in Popedom.” (Amic. Discussion, 1, 127,'The Facts About Luther,' O'Hare, TAN Books, 1987, p. 201.)

So much for your fairy tales about your Protestant Fathers . . .

So namecalling is hate, eh?

Lol!!!

 

[Taken]

...you have fallen from grace.

Wow...
I think you have mistaken yourself for Jesus Christ!

 

[BreadOfLife]

So, then, because that is what they do, they were misnamed...

they are not roman catholics. anymore. they are roman pagans. glad that is resolved, and peacefully - now people don't have to be deceived by them anymore , and if someone loses their soul , it is with full knowledge that they are roman pagans.

Sure - anybody who worships statues is a pagan.
Catholics don't do that - we're Christians.

Pretty simple, really . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

It is straight history, but you don't want to believe it.

And I asked you to prove it.
I noticed that you couldn't . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

It's all quite clearly stated in the statutes of the Council of Trent. You can't avoid it.

PROVE it.
PROVE that Trent contradicts Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus - or vice versa.

Either prove it - or simply admit that you lied.

 

[BreadOfLife]

So, as the Catholic prayer book has prayers in it to Mary as the Queen of Heaven whose intercession for sinners is the only way they can be saved, this is not idolatry? And when Catholics pray to the box where the Eucharist host is stored, is that not idolatry as well? What about when people kneel before statues of Mary in worship?

Another gigantic LIE on your part.
Where do you get this stuff??

Prying to Mary is NOT required for people to be saved. Mary's intercession is NOT a requirement - so WHO told you it was?
As for the Eucharist - we don't pray to a "box". We adore the Body of Christ in the Eucharist - NOT the container.

If you're going to be an anti-Catholic - at LEAST try to do your homework . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL

In other words - you've been caught lying . . .

 

[Grailhunter]

Wow...
I think you have mistaken yourself for Jesus Christ!

It is just what the bibles says about Judaizers.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Sure - anybody who worships statues is a pagan.
Catholics don't do that - we're Christians.

Pretty simple, really . . .

I guess these people are pagans then...


Oh dear!! The Pope is a pagan!!!

 

[Paul Christensen]

Another gigantic LIE on your part.
Where do you get this stuff??
Prying to Mary is NOT required for people to be saved. Mary's intercession is NOT a requirement - so WHO told you it was?
As for the Eucharist - we don't pray to a "box". We adore the Body of Christ in the Eucharist - NOT the container.

If you're going to be an anti-Catholic - at LEAST try to do your homework . . .

My most holy Lady, I also beg you to obtain for me true obedience and humility of heart so that I may see myself truly as a sinner, miserable and weak and powerless, without the grace and assistance of my Creator and without your holy prayers. Obtain for me as well, most sweet Lady, true charity, so that from the depths of my heart I may love your most holy Son, our Lord Jesus Christ and, after him, love you above all others. Grant, Queen of Heaven, that always in my heart I may both fear and love your most sweet Son.

I pray also that, at the end of my life, Mother beyond compare, gate of heaven and advocate of sinners, you will protect me with your great piety and mercy, and obtain for me, through the blessed and glorious passion of your Son, and through your own intercession, the forgiveness of all my sins, which I hope to receive. When I die in your love and his love, guide me in the way of salvation and blessedness.

- St. Thomas Aquinas

 

[Grailhunter]

That was accurate in history. The protesters were Catholics Protesting the Teaching of the Catholic Church.
Grailhunter said: No mystery. History is history. Protestants are called Protestants for a reason....Protest Churches.
That was accurate in history.

The protesters were Catholics Protesting the Teaching of the Catholic Church.
You really need to look up Christian History if you are going to try to debate this.

The early Protestants hated the Catholics and the Catholics considered them heretics.
The Early Protestants were Catholics!...
Correct the early Protestants were mostly Catholic….protesting the Catholic Church.

Until they QUIT or were Kicked out of the Catholic Church...Then the Church called them Heretics...but where do you surmise those men Hated the men in the Church? You are the only one saying HATE played any part in a Protest...or for a Church Foundation....What Facts are you basing those claims on?

It is a matter of history, they killed each other and a few years later was the Thirty Year War.

Their protest was against the Churches Teaching and the Pope who went along with UnBiblical actions.
Not so much of the Church’s teaching. Lutheranism is not that different than Catholicism….but the priest could marry. Which I totally agree with. There protest was along the lines of the 90 theses that Martin Luther nailed on the door of the castle church in Wittenberg, Germany on October 31, 1517.

In the Protestants defense the corruption of the Church was obvious. Luther's 95 theses was accurate. Still hatred is not a good foundation for a religion.

Luther intended to reform the Catholic Church but his movement got away from him.

The efforts of the Protestants Most being called Protestant...were never Catholic, nor were any part of a protest movement against the Catholic Church.
You really need to look into Christian History.

Not once did I ever consider Catholicism as an option...or any other organized Religion for that matter.
Catholics calling non- Catholics, anti- Catholic, I find hysterical...as if being a non-Catholic means anti-Catholic...when the Fact is they are Proponents of what the Believe.
Suite yourself.

Me hearing what the Catholic teach has simply made me Thankful my parents never Coaxed me to a Catholic Church...as I have said on more than one occasion.
What is wrong with being Protestant?

The efforts of Protestants have fractured the church Nonsense. "THE Church is Jesus' Church"...
That is nonsense but have it your way, you are the one the one that looks like a fool. Christ is a God, the church is a building or a congregation.

and it is time to consider that we are all Christians. With Moslems biting at our heals and communism and atheism at our gates it is time to have a unified front. Christians are not our enemy.

You can hope for "consideration" of Catholics And Other Christian Denominations to come together...however...that requires compromises...and I do Not for see the Catholic Church agreeable to yielding.

We can only hope.

 

[Grailhunter]

My most holy Lady, I also beg you to obtain for me true obedience and humility of heart so that I may see myself truly as a sinner, miserable and weak and powerless, without the grace and assistance of my Creator and without your holy prayers. Obtain for me as well, most sweet Lady, true charity, so that from the depths of my heart I may love your most holy Son, our Lord Jesus Christ and, after him, love you above all others. Grant, Queen of Heaven, that always in my heart I may both fear and love your most sweet Son.

I pray also that, at the end of my life, Mother beyond compare, gate of heaven and advocate of sinners, you will protect me with your great piety and mercy, and obtain for me, through the blessed and glorious passion of your Son, and through your own intercession, the forgiveness of all my sins, which I hope to receive. When I die in your love and his love, guide me in the way of salvation and blessedness.

- St. Thomas Aquinas

AMEN!

 

[Grailhunter]

Conspiracy theory? LOL.

People worship Mary.
Scripture says Worship God.

You can "Oh Mary" all you want...
Doesn't reveal your basis for your hate comments.

People worship Mary. Scripture says Worship God.
Mary was alive at the time of the writing of the scriptures because it was the beginning of Christianity.
Then later God had it that His mother should be revered, in prayer and worship....but not as a God.

You can "Oh Mary" all you want...
Doesn't reveal your basis for your hate comments.
Because you're Bacon me crazy. They say you cannot fix stupid.