SONS OF GOD, WHO ARE THEY?

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For those who don't think so,what sin did Eve commit?
? something akin to joining a forum ? - to learn from man's knowledge, or other not God, the difference between right and wrong ?

You don't seem to understand, God's Word CANNOT contradict God's Word , anywhere,

Therefore hasatan COULD NOT 'entertain' (physically) Chavah (Eve).

Everything God Created, reproduces "after its own kind", NOT with others not of its own kind. See? No oooh woooh fancy pancy mingling... it is contrary to all of God's Word. It cannot happen, not just did not happen.
 

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Guessing that piecr of fruit got her pregnant ,please!!!!!
That's the problem, you keep guessing.

ONLY ADAM could get Chavah pregnant ....
nothing of another kind could - that would contradict all God's Word.

In God's Plan, GOD HIMSELF conceived JESUS in Mary. IN LINE WITH ALL GOD'S WORD - no contradiction. God's Plan. He Did As He Says.

He Did Not contradict Himself, and hasatan or his angels having children with women would be a total contradiction of His Plan and His Word - thus, it could not ever happen.
 

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Of course you would say that ,as your eyes are closed,look at the below


Genesis 3:13 "And the Lord God said unto the woman, "What is this that thou hast done?" And the woman said, "The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat."

Eve stated just as Paul quoted her; "The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat." Eve had intercourse with Satan and lost her virginity. From that union came Cain, the father of all Kenites. Learn the truth.

Until you understand what really took place in the Garden of Eden, and why; it will be difficult for you to grow up and mature in the Word of God, and in true Christianity.
I am not impressed. To suggest that I do not have "true Christianity" because I do no buy into manmade fictions and useless myths that the serpent and Eve had sex, when the Bible NEVER says any such thing, is the foundation in which cults and false teachers build their faith upon.
 
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I am not impressed. To suggest that I do not have "true Christianity" because I do no buy into manmade fictions and useless myths that the serpent and Eve had sex, when the Bible NEVER says any such thing, is the foundation in which cults and false teachers build their faith upon.
Indeed, all of the cults base themselves on things no in Scripture, "twisting" all to convince people otherwise.
 
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Notice that they said "men", not angels. Also, note that the attempted rape never happened.
ooops..... read further.... (in the Bible).....

Oh, you are 'right', and wrong - they were angels, and they did not ever have sex, correct.
 

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Guessing you all thinking it was a literal snake talking to Eve
Yep! God said it, I believe it! That settles it! The irony is that you want the narrative in Genesis to be authoritative, but when it does not say what you want it to, you insert your own fictions to arrive at your pre-determined conclusion, and then question other people's honesty in handling the Words of God!
 

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ooops..... read further.... (in the Bible).....

Oh, you are 'right', and wrong - they were angels, and they did not ever have sex, correct.
My point was that the people perceived these as being men, not angels. They did not think that they were sexual objects because it was normal to have sexual relations with angels.
 
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My point was that the people perceived these as being men, not angels. They did not think that they were sexual objects because it was normal to have sexual relations with angels.
haha, yes... men ought to (but don't) know better than to try to tangle with an angel = one angel killed 186,000 soldiers in one night, remember ?
 

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Yep! God said it, I believe it! That settles it! The irony is that you want the narrative in Genesis to be authoritative, but when it does not say what you want it to, you insert your own fictions to arrive at your pre-determined conclusion, and then question other people's honesty in handling the Words of God!
hasatan i.e. satan, i.e. the devil, IS literal, right ? i.e. is REAL. The Bible says so, obviously.
 

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"And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world;" Rev. 12:9.

The inquiry was, what do you think happened in the Garden? Genesis tells us that Eve was deceived by the serpent! But some apparently believe that this was pornographic and that being "deceived" is a euphemism for having literal sex between Eve and the "metaphorical" serpent.

When I look at Revelation 12:9... my question for those that believe that Eve had sex with the devil... When did YOU have sex with the devil?
 
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The devil is literal, yes. Clearly in Scripture the devil deceived Chavah (Eve).

Even TODAY, the devil is called a serpent. Yet when he appears to people today, it is not as a snake.
Rather, when he deceives people today, he appears as if someone clean, holy, righteous, truthful, to be trusted (all the while he is a liar).
As an "angel of light".... or godly messenger, religious leader, government worker on a mission, woman in white so to speak, etc etc etc ....
 

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Yep! God said it, I believe it! That settles it! The irony is that you want the narrative in Genesis to be authoritative, but when it does not say what you want it to, you insert your own fictions to arrive at your pre-determined conclusion, and then question other people's honesty in handling the Words of God!

Revelation tell us who the serpent was and it damn sure wasn't a talking snake

Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Sa'-tan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

If you were ever confused who Satan is, John calls him by the names he used while playing his different roles on earth. The "dragon" is Satan's role in that first earth age, when one third of all of God's children followed him. Satan's evil spirit is allowed on earth now, along with his demons. However, you haven't seen Satan in person yet. Satan and his angels, both physically and bodily, will come to earth just as they did in Genesis 6.
 

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"And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world;" Rev. 12:9.

The inquiry was, what do you think happened in the Garden? Genesis tells us that Eve was deceived by the serpent! But some apparently believe that this was pornographic and that being "deceived" is a euphemism for having literal sex between Eve and the "metaphorical" serpent.

When I look at Revelation 12:9... my question for those that believe that Eve had sex with the devil... When did YOU have sex with the devil?

Do you think Christians don't have sex?Why did God tell Eve about her being pregnant ?

Why should women have covering over them because of the angels?

Stay where you at!!!!!
 

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Yep! God said it, I believe it! That settles it! The irony is that you want the narrative in Genesis to be authoritative, but when it does not say what you want it to, you insert your own fictions to arrive at your pre-determined conclusion, and then question other people's honesty in handling the Words of God!

Scripture also says a beast with 7 heads will rise out the sea,guessing you believe that to be literal as well.
 

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Beguiled

Greek lesson No. 1

The fact in Genesis and the seduction of Eve doesn't lie with getting back to the prime of "exapatao." It has everything to do with the context and the subject being discussed, which in 2 Corinthians 11:2-3 is virginity. Paul is drawing a simple analogy that he would like to present the church as a pure "virgin" to her husband, unlike Eve who lost her virginity to the seduction of the serpent.

Christians' virginity lies in the spiritual seduction by antichrist. Those that give suck or are in bed with satan who is antichrist, are spiritually pregnant by him instead of remaining pure virgins for the Bridegroom's return or 2nd Advent. Like Jesus did on Earth God and Paul connected the physical seduction of Eve with the spiritual seduction of antichrist. Since satan IS antichrist it seems proper. Truly nothing new under the sun.

2 Corinthians 11:2 "For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 2 Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, physical, so your minds, spiritual, should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."

He then connects the physical example with the spiritual application.

2 Corinthians 11:4 "For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, that's right, there are two Jesus' one good, one bad, whom we have not preached, de facto as antichrist on earth in the spirit body of his angelic host, physically here on Earth or as he appears to us as an angel of light, from verse 14, or if ye receive another spirit, 'spirit' means; spiritually, satan is a spiritual being not a human, he is an angel, which ye have not received, or another gospel, another word, such as the apostasy of satan's fiery darts, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." If you do NOT follow our teachings of who the enemy is you will bend a knee to the wrong Christ. 2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. Fake teachers, like those one third of the angels whom satan drew away from God with his tail some who will return again to seduce women or daughters of God/Adam. So if your teachers/preachers DO NOT teach that there are two Jesus' and DO NOT teach YOU that there is a powerful "angel of light" not flesh body, that is going to come before Jesus arrives "to tempt;" which means; "to test" in the Greek, the world, or if you receive another spirit other than the Holy Spirit meaning, satan's spirit or antichrist's spirit, which roams the earth from Heaven and you begin to babble like a fool that no one can understand a word you are speaking, instead of how this gospel told you it would be as shown in Acts Chapter 2, not babble which comes from Babylon but clear and distinct language of every county/country, totally understood and heard by every language or in every nation's tongue throughout the world then they are false teachers, get it? If you are Chinese you hear it in your language. If you are Spanish you hear it in your language. If you are from Georgia (U.S.A.), then you hear it in English with a Southern drawl. DO NOT be lead by false teachers (Ezekiel Chapter 13), that DO NOT teach these things or you will die spiritually. Dry Bones! (Ezekiel Chapter 37). You will be IN that "valley of the shadow of death" not passing through it. Understand? DO NOT be "beguiled" in spirit or in mind as Eve was in both mind and body. By the way, Eve lied in the book of Genesis. Have you read it?

2 Corinthians 11:14 "And no wonder; for satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. The Greek word for "transformed" used incorrectly by the King James Translators is actually "disguised" meaning it is just another role playing for satan. 2Co 11:15 Therefore, because of this, it is no great thing if his ministers also are transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."


Transformed: G3345 μετασχηματίζω metasche matizo; met-askh-ay-mat-id'-zo From G3326 and a derivative of G4976; to transfigure or disguise; figuratively to apply (by accommodation): KJV uses only, in both British and American versions - transfer, transform (self). Now ask yourself why they did not use either transfigure or disguise in 2 Corinthians 11:14?

"Beguiled" (G1818), means Seduced Wholly deceived sexually has only one meaning. From Strong's 1537 and 538. From the original manuscripts it says seduced wholly. 1818 exapatao ex-ap-at-ah'-o from 1537 and 538; to seduce wholly:KJV uses only--beguile, deceive.




 

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Now, let's look at these two words:

538 apatao ap-at-ah'-o

of uncertain derivation; to cheat, i.e. delude: OR to cheat by delusion? Delusion by lying to someone that you do not have to have sex and you will die if you do! Genesis 3:3 "But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, this is what God told Adam meaning not to partake of the apostasy of the tree's lies, neither shall ye touch it, Eve just added that to the verse, she lied, God never said not to touch it, lest ye die." Gen 3:4 "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die." Satan after confusing her and "tempting" her, ("testing" her innocence in order to destroy the lineage of Christ), told here she would not die against what command God said in: Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." So she ate or partook of satan's lies and then lost her virginity.

KJV uses only--deceive. WHY?

1537 ek ek or ex ex

A primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative; direct or remote): Motion or action a physical act not spiritual. This can be proven in the book of Jude and knowledge of the proper use of the Greek word "ek" or "ex."

KJV uses only--after, among, X are, at, betwixt(-yond), by (the means of), exceedingly, (+ abundantly above), for(- th), from (among, forth, up), + grudgingly, + heartily, X heavenly, X hereby, + very highly, in, ...ly, (because, by reason) of, off (from), on, out among (from, of), over, since, X thenceforth, through, X unto, X vehemently, with(-out). Often used in composition, with the same general import; often of completion.

THIS PART IS IMPORTANT IN UNDERSTANDING THE GREEK "EK" OR "EX"

Jude 1:7 "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." Fornication=G1608 ἐκπορνεύω ekporneuo; ek-porn-yoo'-o From G1537 and G4203; to be utterly unchaste: KJV uses only - give self over to fornication.

G1537 ἐκ, ἐξ ek ex ek, ex A primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence motion or action proceeds), from, out (of place, time or cause; literally or figuratively; direct or remote):

KJV uses only in their translations - after, among, X are, at betwixt (-yond), by (the means of), exceedingly, (+ abundantly above), for (-th), from (among, forth, up), + grudgingly, + heartily, X heavenly, X hereby, + very highly, in, . . . ly, (because, by reason) of, off (from), on, out among (from, of), over, since, X thenceforth, through, X unto, X vehemently, with (-out). Often used in composition, with the same general import; often of completion.

G4203 πορνεύω porneuo, porn-yoo'-o From G4204; to act the harlot, that is, (literally) indulge unlawful lust (of either sex), or (figuratively) practice idolatry:

KJV uses only - commit (fornication).

FORNICATION: A physical act why? Because of the addition in the Greek of the word "Ex" or "Ek." If these words are NOT added then it is only a mental or emotional or can be a "spiritual" act! That is to say, an act either direct or remote. Example Christ gave:

Matthew 5:27 "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: (physical) Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust (actual translation is "covet" 10th Commandment), after her hath committed adultery (7th Commandment), with her already in his heart." (Or mind or spiritually). So therefore: Matthew 5:29 "And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell." In other words; get rid of that feeling before it becomes physical and you actually commit that act thereby causing you to have committed a sin and thereby having to repent. Why commit sin if you do not have to? This is the transition example from the Old to the New Covenant. From physical to spiritual.

Both "Beguiled" ex-apatao and "Fornication" ek-porneuo have these words! You can try to change it all you want but the facts are the facts whether you like them or not. Whether you want to hold on to that lying security blanket of deception God calls "Babylon." Can it be spelled out any more plainer? Do you need a hailstone of 180 pounds to drop on your head? God asked this question not me. Question is: have you read it? Well first you would have to know what a "talent" is in the Greek and Hebrew. Just like you never were taught this about Beguiled in the Greek and even when presented many UNEDUCATED persons still say it is a lie or a fraud. How foolish is that? God said to listen to a fool makes you a bigger fool than the fool. Have you ever read that? So why do you want to listen to a fool and not your Father that loves you and wants you to know who the enemy is.

This is NOT for your salvation but to promote who the enemy is so that your salvation will be complete. It is NOT God your Heavenly Father or some other religion or fool it is a very smart fellow and his name is satan and he spread his seed around just like God's children did. Tares among the wheat. Physical seed not spiritual. If you are one of God's children do me a favor and pinch yourself. IF it hurts, guess what? You are still in the physical body. Get the right tools and use them as God wants you to use His language in the proper way in which it was meant to be taken. Not some fairy tale fantasy world but the real one He created. Strong Suggestions are: Dr. James Strong's Concordance of Hebrew Chaldean and Greek and Dr. Bullinger's Companion Bible by Krieger Publishing. Learn how to use the Concordance as well please. We will have one shortly I hope so look for it on this site.

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The devil is literal, yes. Clearly in Scripture the devil deceived Chavah (Eve).

Even TODAY, the devil is called a serpent. Yet when he appears to people today, it is not as a snake.
Rather, when he deceives people today, he appears as if someone clean, holy, righteous, truthful, to be trusted (all the while he is a liar).
As an "angel of light".... or godly messenger, religious leader, government worker on a mission, woman in white so to speak, etc etc etc ....
There is much to understand before all comes together/

1. There were two creations - mankind in Gen 1 Adam and Eve in Gen 2
2. The trees in the garden are the mankind created in Gen 1 - Jesus was the tree of knowledge
3. The tree of good and evil were people that became possessed by the devil
4. Jesus said to some, that they were of their father the wicked one
5. Bible says Cain was the son of the the wicked one.