JOHN 20:6 DISPROVING THE SHROUD OF TURIN

[Marymog]

I would propose that Deut. 18 addresses Historical evidence:

22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you need not be afraid of him.​

As such, we see the Shroud not as a "golden calf", but rather a substantiation of the events and participants of those days.

Bobby Jo

Thank you.

Would it be ok to venerate it?

 

[Joseph77]

Including falsehood??

Like this?>

A falsehood is NOT possible with God....only man.

Sounds to me more like idol worship.

Yes, from men, (from rome religion) .... NOT possible with God. Only the false teachers in rome. (or in line with it)

 

[Marymog]

Like this?>


Yes, from men, (from rome religion) .... NOT possible with God. Only the false teachers in rome. (or in line with it)

Well....since you are a man are you a false teacher?

 

[Marymog]

Like this?>


Yes, from men, (from rome religion) .... NOT possible with God. Only the false teachers in rome. (or in line with it)

If you accept that there are 27 books in the NT then you are in line with Rome. Ohhhh the conundrum you are in

 

[Joseph77]

Well....since you are a man are you a false teacher?

Used to be.

 

[Joseph77]

If you accept that there are 27 books in the NT then you are in line with Rome. Ohhhh the conundrum you are in

Not at all. Ever since I learned the truth, that God rejects those in rome (or laying in bed with her) propagating a false gospel and false teachings every day,
things have been very simple. Thanks be to God Himself.

 

[Marymog]

Used to be.

The comedy show continues

 

[Marymog]

Not at all. Ever since I learned the truth, that God rejects those in rome (or laying in bed with her) propagating a false gospel and false teachings every day,
things have been very simple. Thanks be to God Himself.

The comedy show continues

 

[Joseph77]

Ezekiel 3:18
If I say to the wicked man, 'You will surely die,' but you do not warn him or speak out to warn him from his wicked way to save his life, that wicked man will die in his iniquity, and I will hold you responsible for his blood.

Ezekiel 3:20
Now if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. If you did not warn him, he will die in his sin, and the righteous acts he did will not be remembered. And I will hold you responsible for his blood.

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul who sins is the one who will die. A son will not bear the iniquity of the father, and a father will not bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will fall upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked man will fall upon him.

 

[Joseph77]

You were warned many times:

Ezekiel 3:18
If I say to the wicked man, 'You will surely die,' but you do not warn him or speak out to warn him from his wicked way to save his life, that wicked man will die in his iniquity, and I will hold you responsible for his blood.

Ezekiel 3:20
Now if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. If you did not warn him, he will die in his sin, and the righteous acts he did will not be remembered. And I will hold you responsible for his blood.

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul who sins is the one who will die. A son will not bear the iniquity of the father, and a father will not bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will fall upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked man will fall upon him.

 

[reformed1689]

You pose a very good question. For arguments sake let’s say the Shroud is Jesus burial clothe. Would it be ok to venerate it?

No. We don't worship objects, we worship a Savior.

 

[Marymog]

No. We don't worship objects, we worship a Savior.

Venerate does not mean “worship”. It means to regard with great respect.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Thank you.

Would it be ok to venerate it?

ABSOLUTELY! Historical and even current artifacts are often venerated, including my limited collection of petrified wood. They're irreplaceable! :)

Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

@Marymog

... and I'll say this: venerated or not, the artifact is legitimate and should be presented to Christians as evidence of that which substantiates our "FAITH"!

Bobby Jo

 

[reformed1689]

Venerate does not mean “worship”. It means to regard with great respect.

Yeah, we all know how the RCC treated relics in the past... You aren't fooling anyone.

 

[Marymog]

Yeah, we all know how the RCC treated relics in the past... You aren't fooling anyone.

Hi,

I don't understand the reason or tone of your response. I simply gave the dictionary definition of "venerate". What in the world does me giving the dictionary definition of a word have to do with trying to fool anyone??

Mary

 

[Bobby Jo]

Yeah, we all know how the RCC treated relics in the past... You aren't fooling anyone.

... a little off the deep end, are we?

Bobby Jo

 

[reformed1689]

... a little off the deep end, are we?

Bobby Jo

Nope, not at all. Open a history book.

 

[reformed1689]

Hi,

I don't understand the reason or tone of your response. I simply gave the dictionary definition of "venerate". What in the world does me giving the dictionary definition of a word have to do with trying to fool anyone??

Mary

Why on earth would you give reverence to an object? I mean really.

 

[Marymog]

Why on earth would you give reverence to an object? I mean really.

What does me giving the dictionary definition of a word have to do with trying to fool anyone??