Hell Center of the Earth?

[Heart2Soul]

The "bottomless pit" part is why I would rule the center of the earth out. I imagine just falling in darkness and fire with no stability whatsoever.

Consider all the scriptures that speak of God as a consuming fire....
There is both good and bad...
Love can be described as a burning passion...
Emotions can be described as burning....ie
Burning with rage....
I see the fire in hell as God's Consuming Fire

Can this be narrowed down - ?
If so, then
specifically which occurrence in English translations of the English word hell ? (one at a time?)

Oh no you don't....let's just keep it simple....I don't care if you use hell, hades, sheol, outer darkness, or abyss...main subject is where is it?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Consider all the scriptures that speak of God as a consuming fire....
There is both good and bad...
Love can be described as a burning passion...
Emotions can be described as burning....ie
Burning with rage....
I see the fire in hell as God's Consuming Fire

Oh no you don't....let's just keep it simple....I don't care if you use hell, hades, sheol, outer darkness, or abyss...main subject is where is it?

Can you imagine total darkness as in outer darkness. They say those who stay too long in solitary confinement go crazy. Can you imagine forever???

 

[Joseph77]

Oh no you don't....let's just keep it simple....I don't care if you use hell, hades, sheol, outer darkness, or abyss...main subject is where is it?

That's why I asked specifically to narrow it down.

Each occurrence, each context, especially with your English translations,

are not at all , not necessarily, referring to the same thing as God is , nor to the same thing as the other occurrences (as you noted using several different words in English, wittingly or unwittingly).

 

[Heart2Soul]

That's why I asked specifically to narrow it down.

Each occurrence, each context, especially with your English translations,

are not at all , not necessarily, referring to the same thing as God is , nor to the same thing as the other occurrences (as you noted using several different words in English, wittingly or unwittingly).

You remind me of my daughter
Okay what are you debating on this thread?

 

[Joseph77]

You remind me of my daughter
Okay what are you debating on this thread?

COOL
< shrugs > There was too much volume of information without narrowing it down to try to address in even a whole thread, right ?

Simplify. I think it is necessary in order to resolve anything concerning this.

 

[Renniks]

The church I like to visit, not my home church, mentioned on Easter that Hell was in the center of the earth. I started skimming online and see where that comes from, and I believe Hell is a literal place. It is weird for me to think the center of the earth is Hell though. No offense to any who believe this way. I just never heard of it before. Anyone believe this way? What are your main arguments for this/against this? I never heard of anything like that. If I did, I dismissed the idea without thinking about it.

No, it's a common belief of older Christians I think. I find it rather funny, now, but it made sense once.
Once you understand the concept of other dimensions, you realize hell doesn't have to be in our physical universe at all.

 

[Timtofly]

No, it's a common belief of older Christians I think. I find it rather funny, now, but it made sense once.
Once you understand the concept of other dimensions, you realize hell doesn't have to be in our physical universe at all.

So offload it to other "places"?

It is a common belief because God mentions that the earth opens up, big hole in the ground, and humans are taken down body and soul.

The ancients did not launch bodies into the sky, thinking they would dissappear. That concept did not come around till ghost and spirits, whom, I guess could float upwards, without the weight of a body.

This ground you are standing on is all there is folks. These bodies do not, nor a spirit form, go where creation does not exist.

 

[Paul Christensen]

No one has ever tried to dig down to find out if hell is at the centre of the earth. I heard of a fella called Doug who tried, and his wife said, "Don't be silly!" and took his shovel away from him. Now they just call him Dougless.

 

[Heart2Soul]

No one has ever tried to dig down to find out if hell is at the centre of the earth. I heard of a fella called Doug who tried, and his wife said, "Don't be silly!" and took his shovel away from him. Now they just call him Dougless.

 

[Joseph77]

TIL The Russian tried to dig a hole through the Earth's ...
TIL The Russian tried to dig a hole through the Earth's crust in the 1970's. They reached 40,318 feet deep before they stopped. It is still the deepest hole humans have ever dug. : todayilearned
TIL The Russian tried to dig a hole through the Earth's crust in the 1970's. They reached 40,318 feet deep before they stopped. It is still the deepest hole humans have ever dug.

 

[quietthinker]

No one has ever tried to dig down to find out if hell is at the centre of the earth. I heard of a fella called Doug who tried, and his wife said, "Don't be silly!" and took his shovel away from him. Now they just call him Dougless.

From what I can tell people dig down into the earth because there seems to be something desirable down there....you know, potatoes, worms, metals. I dig down so I can get my car out of a bog.
I've been thinking of finding a safe place for all the gold bullion that got pushed up by the last earthquake and now keep under my mattress but on second thoughts if I dug deep enough for it to be safe I might retrieve it all melted... maybe chewed on by those subjected to heat...at least it'll save their tongues.

 

[Mayflower]

Hi Mayflower.

My opinion of where Hell is located may sound extremely radical to those that aren't ready to receive the information. I'm not sure where you are in your journey, but never the less, I'm going to lay it out for you using Scripture...

Psalms 139:15
"My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth"

Two things to consider in the above verse...

#1) I Was Made/Curiously Wrought
This is speaking of a Baby developing in the Womb.

#2) Lowest Parts of the Earth
This is speaking of Hell.

I see your Avatar shows a picture of a Woman and Baby. If that is you as the Mother, then the information I have just provided may have left you with some questions.

Let me know if you would like me to continue.

Meanwhile, here is an illustration I made to add emphasis to the verse...

Interesting concept! For sure. I like to hear how others believe. I'm really not the debating type, though I could do more study to show myself approved. These "non essential" debates as to where something is though, I just like to learn views and everything. So yes, please share! Definitely something Ive never thought about.

 

[Mayflower]

Sooooo, if you have 10 people who ponder this question and "pray for wisdom" - and ALL 10 of them come to different conclusions - WHO is right?

Christ left His Church to make final judgments on matters such as this - not individuals (Matt. 16:18-19, 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).
He is not the author of confusion.

I agree. I can't say I always back away when I am confused about something, but I'm learning. If something is not essential to salvation, I walk away from it. One thing God has had to teach me over the years is I don't always have to be in the "know." The grey areas are okay.

 

[Renniks]

So offload it to other "places"?

It is a common belief because God mentions that the earth opens up, big hole in the ground, and humans are taken down body and soul.

The ancients did not launch bodies into the sky, thinking they would dissappear. That concept did not come around till ghost and spirits, whom, I guess could float upwards, without the weight of a body.

This ground you are standing on is all there is folks. These bodies do not, nor a spirit form, go where creation does not exist.

The ground is all there is? Not very biblical of you.
For the believer, to be apart from the body is to be present with God.

 

[Mayflower]

The following I posted on another forum in 2011 and it covers briefly my answer to your question:

Jesus had already come way down from the glory that He had with His Father before the natural birth to a very corruptible body in Bethlehem. He had come down to the place where the dead dwelt, the realm of the natural man: hell. Everyone here who has not been born again or born from above [John 3:3] is blind to the things of God and remains "dead". As Jesus put it:

"... Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." Matt 8:22

In the eyes of God and therefore of Jesus, anyone who could see none of the Truth of God was effectively dead! Jesus came down to this death, Himself, but being able to see and using what he had, He overcame everything that stood between Him and His place with His Father. This included His corruptible body. He also made it possible for those who had already sinned and earned the death that they were in to have Life as well:

"I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10

And then today, probably many reading this will not understand or agree, but nonetheless I add yet a little more to my earlier writing.

The "earth" is what we are, a little bit of dirt/clay/mud molded by God and into which He breathed Life, as we read in Genesis. Then man disobeyed God and lost Life for him and all of his offspring. He finds himself from that point on in hell or finds hell in himself. But... be of good cheer, Jesus overcame the world of hell [John 16:33] so then God through Jesus and the Holy Spirit made it possible for us to do the same. The source of evil is where? The suffering is where?

"And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man." Mark 7:18-23

But then Jesus came to bring Life to man again. Jesus was always even then while in hell with us also was in heaven, 1st heaven at least... Here the scripture speaks of the heavens [3]:

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." John 3:13

Once we have really received Life, we need not ever be anyplace away from heaven again, but we, like the natural Israelites of old, go back into hell repeatedly, the place of death from which Jesus brought us out. How does a person descend from heaven to hell? Jesus descended on purpose to fulfill the Father's will but even Jesus asked to be relieved of that if it were possible within God's will. Down to hell he went into corruptible flesh the covering of a man in hell.

"And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." Matt 26:39

Jesus did not want to remain in hell and did not want to suffer as he did, but because it was his Father's will, he did.

Not to get too far off topic, but as far as Jesus going to "Hell", while I believe He went to "Paradise" , the part of Sheol where the righteous were being held, from a lot of prayer and study, I don't believe Christ went to the bad place burning. Because when He was on the cross, He said, "It is Finished."

 

[quietthinker]

Interesting concept! For sure. I like to hear how others believe. I'm really not the debating type, though I could do more study to show myself approved. These "non essential" debates as to where something is though, I just like to learn views and everything. So yes, please share! Definitely something Ive never thought about.

2+2 never equalled 5 nor will it ever Mayflower. If the assumed premise is incorrect so will all the subsequent conclusions be.

Death is the end result of sustained rebellion against God....It's the end of the line. God stated this plainly right at the beginning to Adam.
If we believed that, all the fanciful ideas spawned from doubting God's statement 'you shall surely die' or reinterpreting it would not exist. We wouldn't need to mix and match with heathen ideas of the afterlife nor spend time wasting our precious mental resources on fables.

 

[quietthinker]

I agree. I can't say I always back away when I am confused about something, but I'm learning. If something is not essential to salvation, I walk away from it. One thing God has had to teach me over the years is I don't always have to be in the "know." The grey areas are okay.

God wants that we are sharp and clear and unambiguous in our understanding of the realities of life/existence. He wants us to search these matters out and not settle for slops.
If the directional pointers aren't clear we walk a path of guess work; not what God had in mind for us.

 

[Joseph77]

Death.
Blue Letter Bible
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(original language details)

Death is the end result of sustained rebellion against God..

 

[Mayflower]

"Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." Matt 15:14

Why do we suppose that that ditch has a bottom? Just following the devilish or a dead leader, or a misguided leader... instead of following Jesus will take us also to that ditch. If we do it in ignorance, we may have a way out of there, but if we do against what we know the Holy Ghost in us is telling us, is there forgiveness? Is it not then bottomless?

"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." Matt 12:31

So what about those who know it is wrong and and struggle stopping the sin. Just haven't been able to fight off the temptation fully and die to the flesh. Would you still say that is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Because from what I understand, it sounds like a final bottomless pit to me in talking about that concept.

 

[Mayflower]

The definition of bottomless should be enough. Ever watch clothes go around in a dryer? Where is the bottom in the center of the earth?

Oh wow. Now THAT I didn't think about.