Last days are here today! Are you ready to meet Jesus in the clouds??

[Paul Christensen]

Unity of beliefs and doctrines and unity of faith in Christ are totally different:
Ephesians 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

I totally agree, and I couldn't have put it better myself!

 

[Preacher4Truth]

What are you talking about? I can't earn anything it is a gift....the gift of salvation.

I'm talking about what you stated. The fact is you do not love those who stand for truth, and have asked them what spirit they are of directly, (me for instance, then acted like it was for others when it was directed to me) then called these judgmental, evil and prideful. Very sad pronouncement.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

I just have to distance myself from your comments about the forum staff member, because it is against the rules of the forum.

Nope, sorry, the above is untrue. Nothing I've stated is "against forum rules."

Reiterating any of their statements is just that. I and others have been called evil, wicked and prideful for our beliefs by the same. That right there may qualify as breaking forum rules, but repeating their announced agenda is nothing of the sort.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Nope, sorry, the above is untrue. Nothing I've stated is "against forum rules."

Reiterating any of their statements is just that. I and others have been called evil, wicked and prideful for our beliefs by the same. That right there may qualify as breaking forum rules, but repeating their announced agenda is nothing of the sort.

Nothing I stated above is against forum rules. Repeating what others have stated is not breaking any rules here, it is just repeating what was stated.

 

[reformed1689]

Hmmm. Christ spoke more about hell and judgment than love. So much for the invalid assertion that scare tactics (as you put it) don't work. Read the Gospels through without the lens you've put on.

Agreed. The unsaved should absolutely be scared, terrified!

Where in Scripture does preaching the Gospel say "accept Christ?"

It doesn't. Nor does it say ask him into your heart.

They need to hear Repent, and Believe the Gospel. As lost sinners they are under wrath; Ephesians 2:3. The Gospel is a command to repent and believe. Why? To be saved from their sins and coming judgment.

It appears you believe love is to overlook everything, false gospels, false Christ's, false teachings, and just hug each other and tell each other "Nop matter what you believe, it's OK. L-O-V-E is what we need!" And that preaching and exposing error is hate.

Exactly, they are under his wrath. His love is not exactly the primary thing they need to hear about. They need to hear that they are under his wrath and that they should fear him for their lives.

 

[reformed1689]

What I don't go along with is the implication by some, that my having a different theological opinion to another's is rebellion against God, or against the authority of God's Word.

That would depend on what the opinion is....

 

[Joseph77]

Joel 2 was fulfilled says Acts 2:16

Not all of Joel 2. That is the point you missed.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Nope, sorry, the above is untrue. Nothing I've stated is "against forum rules."

Reiterating any of their statements is just that. I and others have been called evil, wicked and prideful for our beliefs by the same. That right there may qualify as breaking forum rules, but repeating their announced agenda is nothing of the sort.

I checked it out, and I concur, although I am a bit more strict about kicking the ball instead of the player...unless something start hoeing into me and then I give them some good old Kiwi direct speech!
Here is a good example of good "down on farm" Kiwi wisdom:

 

[Paul Christensen]

That would depend on what the opinion is....

I got a three month ban for another forum for telling an atheist that if Genesis 1-3 is not literal history then there is no gospel, Jesus died for nothing, and hence no Christianity. I think I trod on the toes of the theistic evolutionists!

 

[SovereignGrace]

I grew up fearing an angry God who was out to punish me everytime I sinned....I even came to the point that I was ready to give up on being a Christian because no matter how hard I tried I always seemed to mess up......and that was when He (the voice of God) spoke to me and what He said freed me from guilt and condemnation. It was that day, for the first time ever, that I felt His tremendous love for me. And that was the day I came to know Him as my Abba-Father.

Matthew 22:36-40 “Master, which is the great Commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself. 40 On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.”

Deuteronomy 6:5 “And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.”
Leviticus 19:18 “You shall not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbour as yourself: I am the LORD.”

So what does this all prove? ALL the law which includes the Sabbath hung on these two Commandments in the Old Testament which no one can dispute, and while Jesus quotes from the Old Testament, He still says ALL the law hang on these two greatest Commandments. So what has changed? Absolutely nothing! Everything God wrote in stone remains totally unchanged just as Jesus promised in Matthew 5:17-19.

Paul also shows that these two Commandments are just a means of summing up the law in the following verses. Romans 13:9-10 “For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other Commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this SAYING, namely, You shall love your neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.”

If you love God with all your heart which is the greatest Commandment, you will be obeying all Ten but especially the first four as shown by Deuteronomy 6:5 which is right after the Ten Commandments are quoted. And if you love your neighbour as yourself, you will be obeying the last six. Therefore love is fulfilling the law and if you love God with all your heart and your neighbour as yourself, then you will be obeying all Ten Commandments.

So according to Scripture in obeying the two commandments to love.....you fulfill all the law and are obeying all the 10 commandments.

My point is that by focusing on God’s love is a disservice to Him. That is not all He is. He is also a God of wrath, vengeance, holiness, righteousness, graciousness, &c.

I read this tonight in Psalms 136:

to him who struck down the firstborn of Egypt, His love endures forever[vs 10]

but swept Pharaoh and his army into the Red Sea; His love endures forever.[vs 15]

to him who struck down great kings, His love endures forever. and killed mighty kings— His love endures forever. Sihon king of the Amorites His love endures forever. and Og king of Bashan— His love endures forever. and gave their land as an inheritance, His love endures forever.[vss 17-21]

and freed us from our enemies. His love endures forever.[vs 24]

Look at all those the LORD destroyed. Look at all those the LORD struck down. And yet it says over and over again, ”His love endures forever.” Love isn’t the only thing we need. We need truth, too.

 

[Heart2Soul]

My point is that by focusing on God’s love is a disservice to Him. That is not all He is. He is also a God of wrath, vengeance, holiness, righteousness, graciousness, &c.

I read this tonight in Psalms 136:

to him who struck down the firstborn of Egypt, His love endures forever[vs 10]

but swept Pharaoh and his army into the Red Sea; His love endures forever.[vs 15]

to him who struck down great kings, His love endures forever. and killed mighty kings— His love endures forever. Sihon king of the Amorites His love endures forever. and Og king of Bashan— His love endures forever. and gave their land as an inheritance, His love endures forever.[vss 17-21]

and freed us from our enemies. His love endures forever.[vs 24]

Look at all those the LORD destroyed. Look at all those the LORD struck down. And yet it says over and over again, ”His love endures forever.” Love isn’t the only thing we need. We need truth, too.

Jesus taught us how we must live...the Holy Spirit is the one who convicts our heart when we do wrong and brings us to repentance of it.
How much more would He expect from us that He wouldn't do by example?
For instance the disciples asked Jesus that if a brother offend the....and you forgive him...then later he sins again...how many times should he be forgiven? 7 times?
Jesus said no but 70 times 7.
So I do believe there comes a time when He will no longer strive with us if we keep repeating sins....and with some even turn them over to a reprobate mind.
But Christian's don't always walk upright...I see more issues of pride in Christian's than any other sin. Pride was Satan's biggest reason for downfall. Pride and disobedience.
But as our Father He chastises us and corrects us as we grow. And as we mature we become stronger in Him in our spiritual growth and we overcome the weakness of the flesh.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Jesus taught us how we must live...the Holy Spirit is the one who convicts our heart when we do wrong and brings us to repentance of it.
How much more would He expect from us that He wouldn't do by example?
For instance the disciples asked Jesus that if a brother offend the....and you forgive him...then later he sins again...how many times should he be forgiven? 7 times?
Jesus said no but 70 times 7.
So I do believe there comes a time when He will no longer strive with us if we keep repeating sins....and with some even turn them over to a reprobate mind.
But Christian's don't always walk upright...I see more issues of pride in Christian's than any other sin. Pride was Satan's biggest reason for downfall. Pride and disobedience.
But as our Father He chastises us and corrects us as we grow. And as we mature we become stronger in Him in our spiritual growth and we overcome the weakness of the flesh.

None of this addressed my post you responded to.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Jesus taught us how we must live...the Holy Spirit is the one who convicts our heart when we do wrong and brings us to repentance of it.
How much more would He expect from us that He wouldn't do by example?
For instance the disciples asked Jesus that if a brother offend the....and you forgive him...then later he sins again...how many times should he be forgiven? 7 times?
Jesus said no but 70 times 7.
So I do believe there comes a time when He will no longer strive with us if we keep repeating sins....and with some even turn them over to a reprobate mind.
But Christian's don't always walk upright...I see more issues of pride in Christian's than any other sin. Pride was Satan's biggest reason for downfall. Pride and disobedience.
But as our Father He chastises us and corrects us as we grow. And as we mature we become stronger in Him in our spiritual growth and we overcome the weakness of the flesh.

Look at all the various beliefs on here. SDA, JW, Arianists, Modalists, &c. All these are heretics positing anti-God heresies on here. Loving them the way you want all us to do does them a disservice, and is not true to God’s word. Loving them to hell is not loving them. Telling them their heresies will lead them to eternal damnation if they do not repent is loving them. Sadly, that gets misconstrued as hate on here.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Jesus taught us how we must live...the Holy Spirit is the one who convicts our heart when we do wrong and brings us to repentance of it.
How much more would He expect from us that He wouldn't do by example?
For instance the disciples asked Jesus that if a brother offend the....and you forgive him...then later he sins again...how many times should he be forgiven? 7 times?
Jesus said no but 70 times 7.
So I do believe there comes a time when He will no longer strive with us if we keep repeating sins....and with some even turn them over to a reprobate mind.
But Christian's don't always walk upright...I see more issues of pride in Christian's than any other sin. Pride was Satan's biggest reason for downfall. Pride and disobedience.
But as our Father He chastises us and corrects us as we grow. And as we mature we become stronger in Him in our spiritual growth and we overcome the weakness of the flesh.

Do not let my heart be drawn to what is evil so that I take part in wicked deeds along with those who are evildoers; do not let me eat their delicacies. Let a righteous man strike me—that is a kindness; let him rebuke me—that is oil on my head. My head will not refuse it, for my prayer will still be against the deeds of evildoers.[Psalms 141:4-5]

None of us has 100% Bible knowledge. That’s is why we study harder, go to church, read others and glean from them, gather together for bible study, &c. Notice that David said a righteous man striking him is kindness. Rebuking him is oil on his head. Rebuking a heretic is loving them. David was saying a righteous man striking and rebuking him is actually forms of kindness, forms of love. Sadly, when ppl get rebuked on here, they call it hate.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Look at all the various beliefs on here. SDA, JW, Arianists, Modalists, &c. All these are heretics positing anti-God heresies on here. Loving them the way you want all us to do does them a disservice, and is not true to God’s word. Loving them to hell is not loving them. Telling them their heresies will lead them to eternal damnation if they do not repent is loving them. Sadly, that gets misconstrued as hate on here.

As to God's wrath and judgment that is for Him and Him alone to deal with....we cannot even tell someone they are going to hell because of their sin because we are assuming God's position as Judge. All we should be doing is speak His Truth in love and let the Word speak for itself.
When you tell someone else they are going to hell, what you are really saying is, “I am both morally superior and suitably qualified to determine when a person is going to hell according to my interpretation of an ancient Jewish manuscript written in a completely different time, culture and context to my own.” IMHO...
You and I can agree to disagree on what the Bible says but we cannot of ourselves accuse each other of being a heretic because our interpretations differ. Both of us are quoting scripture....this is why the Holy Spirit is the one who guides and leads us into all truth.
Galatians 6:1 ESV /
Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.

Matthew 18:15-17 ESV /
“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

Matthew 18:15 ESV /
“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.
Titus 3:10-11 ESV /
As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

1 Timothy 5:20 ESV /
As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

James 5:19-20 ESV /
My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

2 Timothy 4:2 ESV /
Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.

2 Thessalonians 3:15 ESV /
Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.

I personally hate when I get provoked and start arguing with someone about the Bible....it isn't right.
I would rather discuss it and be willing to understand what they may be saying.

and the worse thing about communication via internet is that you cannot see the expression or hear the tone of what the person is saying.....many people get offended on forums because they misinterpret the posters intent,

Well that's all for tonight.
Have a good night and God Bless

 

[SovereignGrace]

As to God's wrath and judgment that is for Him and Him alone to deal with....we cannot even tell someone they are going to hell because of their sin because we are assuming God's position as Judge. All we should be doing is speak His Truth in love and let the Word speak for itself.
When you tell someone else they are going to hell, what you are really saying is, “I am both morally superior and suitably qualified to determine when a person is going to hell according to my interpretation of an ancient Jewish manuscript written in a completely different time, culture and context to my own.” IMHO...
You and I can agree to disagree on what the Bible says but we cannot of ourselves accuse each other of being a heretic because our interpretations differ. Both of us are quoting scripture....this is why the Holy Spirit is the one who guides and leads us into all truth.
Galatians 6:1 ESV /
Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.

Matthew 18:15-17 ESV /
“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

Matthew 18:15 ESV /
“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.
Titus 3:10-11 ESV /
As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

1 Timothy 5:20 ESV /
As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

James 5:19-20 ESV /
My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

2 Timothy 4:2 ESV /
Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.

2 Thessalonians 3:15 ESV /
Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.

I personally hate when I get provoked and start arguing with someone about the Bible....it isn't right.
I would rather discuss it and be willing to understand what they may be saying.

and the worse thing about communication via internet is that you cannot see the expression or hear the tone of what the person is saying.....many people get offended on forums because they misinterpret the posters intent,

Well that's all for tonight.
Have a good night and God Bless

Again, you’re missing my point. There are heretics on here smearing God. There are SDA, JW, Modalists, Arianists, &c. on here. Are we to love them and let them keep smearing Him, or confront them? We don’t need love, we need love AND truth.

SDA, JW, Modalists, Arianists, &c., all them present a false Christ, a false gospel. They don’t need solely love. They need love AND truth. And these posts of mine will be misconstrued as hate.

 

[SovereignGrace]

As to God's wrath and judgment that is for Him and Him alone to deal with....we cannot even tell someone they are going to hell because of their sin because we are assuming God's position as Judge. All we should be doing is speak His Truth in love and let the Word speak for itself.
When you tell someone else they are going to hell, what you are really saying is, “I am both morally superior and suitably qualified to determine when a person is going to hell according to my interpretation of an ancient Jewish manuscript written in a completely different time, culture and context to my own.” IMHO...
You and I can agree to disagree on what the Bible says but we cannot of ourselves accuse each other of being a heretic because our interpretations differ. Both of us are quoting scripture....this is why the Holy Spirit is the one who guides and leads us into all truth.
Galatians 6:1 ESV /
Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.

Matthew 18:15-17 ESV /
“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

Matthew 18:15 ESV /
“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.
Titus 3:10-11 ESV /
As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

1 Timothy 5:20 ESV /
As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

James 5:19-20 ESV /
My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

2 Timothy 4:2 ESV /
Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.

2 Thessalonians 3:15 ESV /
Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.

I personally hate when I get provoked and start arguing with someone about the Bible....it isn't right.
I would rather discuss it and be willing to understand what they may be saying.

and the worse thing about communication via internet is that you cannot see the expression or hear the tone of what the person is saying.....many people get offended on forums because they misinterpret the posters intent,

Well that's all for tonight.
Have a good night and God Bless

This isn’t arguing...it’s contending for the faith. The Greek word for contend means ”to contend strenuously in defense of.” Strenuous means ”requiring or using great exertion, laborious, vigorous, zealously active.” So contending for the faith is a heavy task not to be taken lightly.

 

[Timtofly]

If you are perfect before God you can judge but only if God directs you, and just quoting the Bible does not give one license to judge. But only God knows if your judgment is honest and you have no self righteous intent, and are humble and doing it in fear and trembling yourself. If you can judge with clear intent and ruthlessness, then it is not God. God’s judgment is not direct where the person's spirit is hurt. It is indirect where the Holy Spirit is doing the judging and not the poster.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

This isn’t arguing...it’s contending for the faith. The Greek word for contend means ”to contend strenuously in defense of.” Strenuous means ”requiring or using great exertion, laborious, vigorous, zealously active.” So contending for the faith is a heavy task not to be taken lightly.

You're correct but many are not about to make such a stand. Paul says we are not pleasing men nor seeking their approval but God's when we stand in opposition to error. If we are not, then we seek to please and be approved of men, not God. That is perfectly clear in Scripture so we need to make a choice. This is Galatians 1:8-10. This is also in 1 Thessalonians 2:4; Romans 2:29;

Here is the issue in an analogy to make a simple point: Take the negative cable off the car battery and it will not start. It isn't grounded.

Those calling the things in Scripture that will keep them grounded negative, hateful, judgmental and those who preach them evil, prideful, only like parts of God's word, not the full revelation.

A truncated God leads to truncated truth, including a truncated gospel, Christ, and doctrine. I embrace all of the word and attributes of God, not just the parts that seem positive. To me all of it is edifying, including portions that show error, expose it, that offer correction (something that is outright rejected and is seen as unloving.)

Is it any wonder churches are in such trouble? There is little to no correction going on, it is like liberal parents who will not correct their children. The children become little snots who will receive no discipline or correction and ridicule the God given authority over them. They only listen to what they want to hear.

 

[Joseph77]

to him who struck down the firstborn of Egypt, His love endures forever[vs 10]

but swept Pharaoh and his army into the Red Sea; His love endures forever.[vs 15]

How many babies killed daily ? Idolatry, Greed, Theft, Oppression is rampant , approved, and promoted actively or by silence... throughout the USA and the world.

Is God Silent ? .................................................

Is it any wonder churches are in such trouble? There is little to no correction going on, it is like liberal parents who will not correct their children. The children become little snots who will receive no discipline or correction and ridicule the God given authority over them. They only listen to what they want to hear.