Mark of the Beast?

[Timtofly]

Unfortunately Base12 has some very WEIRD interpretations. Look out.

How about TAKE HEED!

Proverbs 25:2
"God gets glory from concealing things;
kings get glory from investigating things."

God gives the title of king to those who diligently search God’s Word. The glory is all God's.

We should heed the warnings and wisdom of godly men, whom God has titled king.

 

[Timtofly]

Only if I get to give it away for free.

This is actually the perfect thread to post some theories on the Mark of Cain. Please feel free to share this post elsewhere or use it however you folks here see fit. No Copyrights are attached.

Let's start off with the most obvious issue...

Leviticus 24:17
"And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death"

The verse clearly states that punishment for murder is death. So why wasn't Cain put to death for the murder of Abel? Some argue that the Death Sentence wasn't a Law yet.

OK, even if that were True, doesn't it seem like Cain just got away with committing a terrible crime? The story of Cain goes on to tell of marriage, children, building a city, etc. What kind of punishment is that?

Not so fast! Cain may have actually been 'put to death' after all, just like Leviticus 24:17 commands.

How can this be?

The answer lies in the Mark of Cain...

Genesis 4:15
"And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him"

Was it a Tattoo? A Barcode? A Microchip Implant? Sunday Worship Laws? Was it even visible?

The answer lies in the verse itself. It's incredibly subtle, but it's there none the less. We will review it step by step...

Whosoever slayeth Cain
This one is obvious. This is speaking of anyone who successfully slays Cain, which they will as we will soon discover.

Vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold
Aha! Now we know what the punishment was for Murder at that time. Seems there was a Law after all. The punishment for Murder is to to have 'sevenfold' vengeance. But what is that? We will look at that later.

Set a Mark upon Cain
This is the mysterious Mark we are trying to understand. And guess what? The Mystery is revealed in the next part of the verse...

Lest any finding him should kill him
This is teaching that Cain *CAN* be killed... but at the same time it is teaching that Cain *CAN'T* be killed! Say what?!? What kind of crazy contradiction is this?

The verse is not in contradiction when we simply understand the verse in its most literal sense and try not to add any preconceived notion to it.

I believe the way to understand the verse is this...

Genesis 4:15 (Base12 Interpretation)
"And the LORD said unto him, Therefore [each time someone] slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him [permanently]"

In other words, Cain *will* be killed, but it won't be permanent. It will happen over and over again! Each time this happens, sevenfold vengeance is taken on the murderer.

But how can this be? How can Cain be killed over and over again? The reason is because the Mark of Cain was a temporary form of *IMMORTALITY*. Each time Cain was slayed, he came back to life.

Now I know what some folks are thinking...

"That is the most ridiculous, most un-Biblical thing I have ever heard!!!" "How can a dead person come back to life?" "Ban this idiot off the Forum NOW!!!"

Really?

1 Corinthians 15:4
"And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures"

Is it really so hard to believe that someone can rise from the dead? Obviously, Cain wasn't Jesus, so how about a more fitting example...

Revelation 13:3
"And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast"

Now things begin to make sense. Here we have a Being who can die and come back to life again who is in fact, associated with a Mark...

Revelation 19:20
"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone"

And what do you know? Those that take the Mark of the Beast receive a TEMPORARY FORM OF IMMORTALITY...

Revelation 9:6
"And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them"

BAM! The above verse is teaching us exactly what the Mark of the Beast is designed to do. It is to prevent Death. It is the promise of the Serpent in the Garden...

Genesis 3:4
"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die"

It is the very thing we see happening right before our eyes with this current Global Pandemic. Those that take the COVID-19 Vaccine will be allowed to buy and sell via 'Surveillance Tag'. Those that don't take the Vaccine face endless quarantines and won't be allowed into supermarkets.

Oh sure, it may just be an Arm Band now or some form of Digital ID. Maybe even a Tattoo or Microchip.

But...

Eventually it will be a Mandatory DNA change to 'correct' the Genes responsible for Flu, Cancers, etc. This Pandemic is simply a Trial Balloon to gather the necessary data in order to successfully implement the next 'phase'. The Human Race just took a Quantum Leap into the Book of Revelation.

So, long story short... Cain *did* receive the Death Penalty. Several times over.

As Jesus died so that the Saved may live forever, Abel may have died for a similar cause. It may have been a 'Deal with the Devil'...

Hebrews 12:24
"And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel"

The Word of God is literally teaching us that indeed Abel *WAS* a sacrifice to gain Temporary Immortality, but that the sacrifice of Jesus was BETTER because we gain PERMANENT IMMORTALITY and *we* become the Human Sacrifice...

Romans 12:1
"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service"

See that?

In other words, it may be that Cain sacrificed Abel in order to gain Immortality from Satan. This is something we hear about even now in cases involving Satanic Rituals.

OK, that's a lot to ponder. Just a few more things...

The name 'Cain' has been debated as to what it means. I've discovered that some trace the Etymology of the word Cain to mean 'Buy and Sell'.

That's right... the name of the Beast in the Book of Revelation may in fact be Cain!

Revelation 13:17
"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name"

This is why 'The way of Cain' is associated with Transhumanism...

Jude 1:11
"Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core"

What is the 'Way of Cain'?

Go back a few verses...

Jude 1:6
"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day"

And there you have it. The 'Way of Cain' is the same as the Sons of God having children with the Daughters of Men. To become 'Mighty Men'. To become 'like the Gods'. To cheat Death and to become Immortal.

It's the Way of Cain people...

Daniel 2:43
"And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay"

Time to wake up.

Oh, and about the 'Sevenfold Vengeance'?

How many heads does Cain the Beast have?

Reincarnation is of the devil. Probably should just leave Cain in Heaven and stop making him come to earth at your beck and call. 1 Samuel 28:7-13

7 Then Sha’ul said to his servants, “Try to find a woman who tells the future by communicating with the dead; I want to go and consult with her.” His servants answered him, “Yes, there’s a woman in ‘Ein-Dor who tells the future by communicating with the dead.”
8 So Sha’ul disguised himself by wearing different clothing, went with two men, came to the woman by night and said, “Tell me the future, please. Bring up from the dead the person I name to you.”
9 The woman answered, “Here, you know what Sha’ul did, how he expelled from the land those who tell the future by communicating with the dead or with a demonic spirit. Why are you trying to entrap me into causing my own death?”
10 But Sha’ul swore to her byAdonai, “As Adonai lives, you will not be punished for doing this.”
11 Then the woman asked, “Whom should I bring up for you?” He said, “Bring up for me Sh’mu’el.”
12 When the woman saw Sh’mu’el, she let out a shriek. Then the woman said to Sha’ul, “Why have you deceived me? You yourself are Sha’ul!”
13 The king replied, “Don’t be afraid. Just tell me what you see.” The woman said to Sha’ul, “I see a god-like being coming up out of the earth.”

Take heed, even kings, lest ye go from perfection 7 to 13 sin and death.

 

[Elihoenai]

I know this is a topic that has been discussed endlessly among Christians but if you will endure one more thread I have been searching this for a while now.

What first caught my attention and got my mind to seek a deeper understanding was the scripture in
1 Kings 10:14
14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold.

If we look back at the law for kings in Deuteronomy 17, It prohibits the king from multiplying horses and chariots, wives, and wealth. This is exactly what Solomon is doing in 1 Kings 10-11. Chapter ten begins by commending his great wisdom, but then steps through his decline - that is, he begins violating the rules for kings by multiplying gold (666 talents a year), multiplying horses and chariots, and finally multiplying wives who turn his heart away from following Yahweh. He sets up centers of false worship for all the foreign gods of his wives. So, the number 666 is associated with Solomon in his fall, his abuse of power, and his turning away from true worship of Yahweh.

In Revelation, Jesus sets up worship interactions under the symbol of business transactions - buying and selling.

I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may see.

This is picked up in chapter 13 with reference to worship in the false temple - the image set up by the beast which must be worshiped on pain of death. Everyone must worship the image, but no one may do so without the mark. The buying and selling referred to here is of the same kind established by Jesus in chapter 3. It is worship - spiritual transactions.

Now go to Nebuchadnezzar....
Daniel 3:1 1King Nebuchadnezzar made a golden statue sixty cubits high and six cubits wide, and he set it up on the plain of Dura in the province of Babylon.

King Nebuchadnezzar made an image of gold, whose height was sixty cubits and its breadth six cubits... And the herald proclaimed aloud, “You are commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages, that when you hear the sound of the horn, pipe, lyre, trigon, harp, bagpipe, and every kind of music, you are to fall down and worship the golden image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up. And whoever does not fall down and worship shall immediately be cast into a burning fiery furnace.”

Nebuchadnezzar is acting as a beast (and later, even more so) and sets up an image to be worshiped. Again, we have six and sixty associated with worship of a false image on pain of death.

All of this comes together in the name and number of the man - 666. This sums up man in his fallen state. The number carries with it the fallen glory of Solomon, his degraded wisdom, his failure to follow the word of God, his abuse of power, and his allowing himself to be turned aside to the worship of impotent gods.

Now let's move to the NT:
1 Timothy 6:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

There are more scriptures but here is my point...
wealth was the downfall of Solomon, Nebuchadnezzar, and according to 1 Timothy caused many to err from the faith when they coveted it.
Money is an idol to so many people.

So now to today's economy....if the U.S. economy collapses the whole world economy collapses....
Digital money is now being sold and bought as a world currency....(bitcoins for one)
Is it possible that the mark of the Beast will be this world currency in the form of digital money?

any thoughts?

Matthew 21:12-13 King James Version (KJV)

12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.


Given your line of thinking, the Mark of the Beast could be the Satan/Devil Worshipping and Money Making Scam of the Fake Denominational and Non-Denominational Christian Churches leading Billions astray. This would mean the Mark of the Beast has existed for over 2000 years.

The so-called House of Prayer is actually a Den of Thieves!

 

[Waiting on him]

Matthew 21:12-13 King James Version (KJV)

12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.


Given your line of thinking, the Mark of the Beast could be the Satan/Devil Worshipping and Money Making Scam of the Fake Denominational and Non-Denominational Christian Churches leading Billions astray. This would mean the Mark of the Beast has existed for over 2000 years.

The so-called House of Prayer is actually a Den of Thieves!

Are you saying we can't just say the little prayer and cast a few coins in the treasury?

 

[Joseph77]

Reincarnation is of the devil.

But it was pointed out to me , that things of the devil are permitted and welcome on this forum,
"for discussion".

 

[Bobby Jo]

Pure guess work on my part, ... I'm thinking of Russia.

Scripture says that is OK for "teachers" to "guess":

Jmes 3:1 Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, for you know that we who teach shall be judged with greater strictness.​

Bobby Jo

 

[Joseph77]

Scripture says that is OK for "teachers" to "guess" -

NEVER.

 

[reformed1689]

Hi David
Thanks for your response .
I agree a symbol of some kind. But it seems to me that it can't be something nebulous ...but something evil as a symbol that man has to choose to take or not. It can't be something that doesn't have some satanic obvious mark.

At the moment none of us KNOW anything. So it has not yet been revealed.

Agree?

I agree in principle, but currency is obviously not a mark. It will not be bitcoin, digital currency, etc... It is something that is the identifying symbol of the beast.

 

[GTW27]

Yet no one has ever really shown anything really convincing yet.

Blessings in Christ Jesus! To whom does one serve, and follow after(chase after), the god of gold and silver or The Lord who has promised to supply our every need. When one follows the god of gold and silver, that image(money) even speaks. It is not a wonder that it is said that one can not serve two masters. When the devil himself, back then, walked out the front door with my room mate(possessed) he stopped, turned around, and with a smirk on his face, said, so, it all comes down to money, doesn't it. He then started to laugh as he walked out the door. So it all comes down to being One with The Lord, or being one with the beast. Sealed until The Day of Redemption, or destined to follow the great red dragon to his appointed place. "To he who has wisdom, let him hear and understand."

 

[Bobby Jo]

... The Lord who has promised to supply our every need. ...

Lke 22:35 And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” 36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.​

The LAST instructions before going to the Garden of Gethsemane was for US to supply our own needs. And you can either OBEY, or wish you had.
Bobby Jo

 

[amadeus]

It depends what this World Currency will be...

1 Corinthians 7:23
"Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men"

What kind of Money did Jesus use to purchase the Saved?

And what price should we willing to pay for the 'pearl of great price'?

"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it." Matt 13:45-46

Is not 'reasonable service' a minimal payment on our part?

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service." Rom 12:1

 

[Joseph77]

This is included in and with and from the false gospel, without understanding.

The LAST instructions before going to the Garden of Gethsemane was for US to supply our own needs.///.

 

[Joseph77]

The false gospel contradicts Scripture.

This is true:
QUOTE="GTW27, post: 729159, member: 8034"]Blessings in Christ Jesus! To whom does one serve, and follow after(chase after), the god of gold and silver or The Lord who has promised to supply our every need. When one follows the god of gold and silver, that image(money) even speaks. It is not a wonder that it is said that one can not serve two masters. When the devil himself, back then, walked out the front door with my room mate(possessed) he stopped, turned around, and with a smirk on his face, said, so, it all comes down to money, doesn't it. He then started to laugh as he walked out the door. So it all comes down to being One with The Lord, or being one with the beast. Sealed until The Day of Redemption, or destined to follow the great red dragon to his appointed place. "To he who has wisdom, let him hear and understand."[/QUOTE
==========================================================================

 

[amadeus]

Sooo, just to get back on track, 666 represents a focus in on man's way/system of doing it; if you like, man man man....it is the number of man or a man (representative).

Making the effort to join the dots in their intended order so to speak will result in dividends .....It is not a tattoo, it is not anything to do with anything that is not about worship.
Now....we must define what worship consists of and how it applies to who and how.

So then that being "man's way/system" where and how can one see the contrast in God's?

"Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven." Matt 18:21-22

 

[Joseph77]

where and how can one see the contrast in God's?

That's reserved for those who are born again, as God's Word says the natural unregenerate man/mind/ cannot see.

 

[amadeus]

Very good post, I would have to dive into Revelation again, but there is a belief though the mark of the beast will be quite literal, don't think I have read anything that suggests a chip would be inserted in the palm of your hand as that being the mark to buy and sell.

There is also the interpretation that those that are true Christians would be already caught up in the clouds even before the events of Rev 13 and 14 happen, and the 144,000 will be Jewish evangelists (turned Christian) on this earth during the tribulation.

I think we got to ask the question would a God of grace that loves us so much, that sent his only Son to die for our sins, who resurrected on the third day, that has his promises of grace to those who believe, would he really put real Christians through the Tribulation in Revelation?

Consider that the two men [out of 600,000] specifically mentioned by name as being able to enter the Promised Land did not get to bypass the 40 years in the wilderness along with all those rebels! Joshua and Caleb also suffered physically with the others but the primary difference or advantage or reward for them came when the 40 years were finished.

 

[amadeus]

That's reserved for those who are born again, as God's Word says the natural unregenerate man/mind/ cannot see.

The truly born again have eyes to see, but they often do not see everything and what they do see is not always clear. Their vision should be improving as they walk along with Jesus. Of course, every time they quench the Holy Spirit in themselves, they hinder the work of the Spirit. Too much of that too often may lead one to a closer embrace with the 6's instead of with the 7's.

 

[amadeus]

And there it is. The number of the beast, and it's that simple.

"Wisdom... She hath killed her beasts;" Prov 9:1-2

 

[friend of]

I've been lurking. I think we need to reach out to those that do not believe that this microchipping/vaccination is an end times prophecy by asking them if they believe in the global financial design is incoming. They might not believe that a microchip transhumanist agenda is in the works, but can they at least consent to the fact that the powers that be do wish to have a one world currency? That doesn't seem hard to believe, all things considered. If they can agree that a one world currency is incoming, then perhaps that may soften them to the reality of a biometric chip/digitsl tattoo which keeps track of location and spending. All of which is clearly macheivellian to the enth degree. How can any christian be okay with such a design? Why would anyone willingly give away their privacy like that? I'm convinced that the one antichrist is yet to be revealed, as the scripture supports it. We are living in dangerous times. We need to be vigilant and ready. God bless

 

[Bobby Jo]

I've been lurking. I think we need to reach out to those that do not believe that this microchipping/vaccination is an end times prophecy by asking them if they believe in the global financial design is incoming. They might not believe that a microchip transhumanist agenda is in the works, but can they at least consent to the fact that the powers that be do wish to have a one world currency? That doesn't seem hard to believe, all things considered. If they can agree that a one world currency is incoming, then perhaps that may soften them to the reality of a biometric chip/digitsl tattoo which keeps track of location and spending. All of which is clearly macheivellian to the enth degree. How can any christian be okay with such a design? Why would anyone willingly give away their privacy like that? I'm convinced that the one antichrist is yet to be revealed, as the scripture supports it. We are living in dangerous times. We need to be vigilant and ready. God bless

One aspect of "dangerous times" and being "vigilant and ready" might suggest being "prepared". And where we already see purchase limits in this Wuhan Virus pre-cursor event, we should anticipate dire consequences when we can't buy or sell.

Per my best understanding of Bible Prophecy (per the J.R. Church "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms" premise), we're already some 24 months into the 42 month Tribulation (Ref. Rev. 13:5), with 18 months to go.

Bobby Jo