After pestilences the next sign listed in Luke is great signs in the Sky

[Timtofly]

I can tell you that every creature on earth did not glorify and praise Jesus in 1798. Really.

Or perhaps as we enter the very last period, the war will be so severe that it will make all previous history look like a time of peace in comparison?

War is the first sign in all three gospels of that final time.

Here are the signs that seem to lead up to the doors of that final seven-year period.

From Mark...[war, earthquakes, pestilences, famines]

From Luke..
[war, earthquakes, famines, pestilences, fearful sights in heavens]

From Matthew..
[war, famines, pestilences, earthquakes]

This will be the start of the time of labour pains or sorrows.

Who says it happened in whatever year you concocted. God said it happened last fall.

Yes for all but the church. Jesus was not talking to the church. It did not exist. Jesus was talking to the Jews.

There are going to be all those things in the 4th seal, even before the rapture. But the events keep getting worse, not better.

 

[dad]

Who says it happened in whatever year you concocted. God said it happened last fall.

Say what? When did all the earth praise and glorify God last fall or anytime in history?? Never.

Yes for all but the church. Jesus was not talking to the church. It did not exist. Jesus was talking to the Jews.

? Chapter and verse that says this?

There are going to be all those things in the 4th seal, even before the rapture. But the events keep getting worse, not better.

[/QUOTE] Hey, you have not gotten to the opening of any seals yet. You are stuck trying to prove that every creature on earth glorified and praised Jesus sometime in the past!!!

 

[Dave Watchman]

Have you been amazed at how many super blood moons we have had in the past 3 years? And just last week there was a super pink moon....and all the super blue moons?

Thanks for reminding me H2S.

The one last Tuesday was awesome. I was driving my truck across the GTA westbound in the morning as it was setting low on the horizon. It was huge. It seemed like it was flying along with me, darting up and around the buildings. God's faithful witness.

“And he will be established like the moon for eternity, a faithful witness in Heaven.”​

And you remind me we have four super moons this year, and three last year. So next month will be the 7th super moon since the "darkened" sun of 2019 and the blood moon of that same January.

Richard Rhuling was posting on another Christian forum. He used an avatar of his own face. He's sort of a luminary, a retired Doctor from Loma Linda, an SDA guy.

He told a story about the rule of first usage in Bible study. To help figure out a Bible word, look for the first time that it's used in the Book.

Goodman of the house.

"But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. - Jesus​

The first time that the word "goodman" is used is in the KJV in Proverbs 7:

"For the goodman is not at home, he is gone a long journey:

"He hath taken a bag of money with him, and will come home at the day appointed.​

And the word for the day appointed is not the 'moedim' appointed time, but 3677. kese or keseh.

kese or keseh: full moon​

So most of the translations read: full moon.

"He has taken a bag of money with him, At the full moon he will come home." - NASB​

So with everything else going on, I'm paranoid for the full moons.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Willie T]

Have you been amazed at how many super blood moons we have had in the past 3 years? And just last week there was a super pink moon....and all the super blue moons?

You do have one great sense of humor. LOL

 

[Timtofly]

Say what? When did all the earth praise and glorify God last fall or anytime in history?? Never.
? Chapter and verse that says this?
Hey, you have not gotten to the opening of any seals yet. You are stuck trying to prove that every creature on earth glorified and praised Jesus sometime in the past!!!

You just quoted from the 4 Gospels. What were you talking about?

God says they did right before the first seal. Revelation 5.

You are the one that mentioned it.

 

[dad]

You just quoted from the 4 Gospels. What were you talking about?

God says they did right before the first seal. Revelation 5.

You are the one that mentioned it.

Then it never happened. I am not the one claiming seals have opened already. If they were opened then we would have seen every creature on earth praising God. We didn't.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Then it never happened. I am not the one claiming seals have opened already. If they were opened then we would have seen every creature on earth praising God. We didn't.

The parallel throne scene in seen in Daniel 7:9-10

This happened in January 1798.

Because it had to happen BEFORE February 1798, when the 6th head received it's mortal wound.

"And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.​

This is prelude to the white horse Rider. It was finally free to go out a conquering in 1798.

Every creature means every creature in Christ. In Christ we become a new creature.

"Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; ...​

Every creature which is in heaven (the 24 elders), and on the earth (alive and who remain), and under the earth (sleeping in Christ), and such as are in the sea (sleeping in Christ),

Even Daniel who was told to rest, even Abel's blood that calls out from the ground, we all testify of Christ: Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

STRONGS NT 2938: κτίσμα
(Vulg.creatura) (A. V. creature): contextually and metaphorically, κτίσμα Θεοῦ, transformed by divine power to a moral newness of soul, spoken of true Christians as created anew by regeneration​

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Dcopymope]

If the quake is one of the signs of the very end, then it won't wake believers up...they will be gone. So it depends on what quake you are talking about. For example, the quake in the very end that kills thousands near Jerusalem I think it was, will be long after the Rapture.

Our departure doesn't occur until 3 1/2 years later after the seventh trumpet is sounded in Revelation 12:15, not after the sixth seal in Revelation 6:12 which is the Day of the Lord. So no, actually, we aren't going anywhere.

No. There are none! Because the signs that mark the time of the great tribulation would be over and done in seven years! If it happened long ago that was not it.

You're assuming the four horsemen marks the great tribulation period, it doesn't, at all, and nowhere will you find John ever stating this to be the case in the narrative. The only true marks we are given for the last days are the Day of the Lord and the beast declaring himself God in the temple.

If I recall the day of the Lord is a term for the final years.

Not sure what you think this day of the Lord is. Define it?

Yes, as I said, it marks the beginning of the end, as in it is the day of his wrath, not our departure. When you see the celestial bodies start acting weird accompanied with an earthquake, then you'll know that God is about to lay the smack down. You need to just read revelation and come to the realization of what John states actually happens in revelation vs. what is commonly presumed is supposed to happen, which is clearly not in revelation.

God will use that time also.
Whatever they want/think/do doesn't matter! God sets the time. God is in control.

God gave Satan a certain degree of dominion over this world, so it definitely matters a great deal what Satan, the ruler of this world is planning. You should give your enemy more respect than that.

(John 12:30-32) "Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes. {31} Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. {32} And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me."

(1 John 5:18-19) "We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. {19} And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness."

(Ephesians 2:1-3) "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; {2} Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: {3} Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."

 

[dad]

The parallel throne scene in seen in Daniel 7:9-10

This happened in January 1798.

Because it had to happen BEFORE February 1798, when the 6th head received it's mortal wound.

"And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.​

This is prelude to the white horse Rider. It was finally free to go out a conquering in 1798.

Every creature means every creature in Christ. In Christ we become a new creature.

It says every creature, not every church. Every creature on the earth and in heaven and under the sea.

Every creature which is in heaven (the 24 elders),

Absurdly wrong again. There are innumerable angels in heaven as well as a lot of departed saints.

and on the earth (alive and who remain), and under the earth (sleeping in Christ), and such as are in the sea (sleeping in Christ),

Totally made up nonsense.

 

[dad]

Our departure doesn't occur until 3 1/2 years later after the seventh trumpet is sounded in Revelation 12:15, not after the sixth seal in Revelation 6:12 which is the Day of the Lord. So no, actually, we aren't going anywhere.

So you are talking about some quake well into the last seven years...midway. Then you offer opinion as to when our gathering together unto Him will be, in an effort to make that the same event as the second coming of Jesus to earth. Got it.

You're assuming the four horsemen marks the great tribulation period, it doesn't, at all, and nowhere will you find John ever stating this to be the case in the narrative. The only true marks we are given for the last days are the Day of the Lord and the beast declaring himself God in the temple.

The horsemen are after the seals are opened, no?

Yes, as I said, it marks the beginning of the end, as in it is the day of his wrath, not our departure. When you see the celestial bodies start acting weird accompanied with an earthquake, then you'll know that God is about to lay the smack down.

There are earthquakes before the seven years. During the seven years, and at the very end of the seven years. There are signs in the heaven marking the beginning of sorrows and also very great signs near the very end of the Tribulatuion. So you need to be precise.

You need to just read revelation and come to the realization of what John states actually happens in revelation vs. what is commonly presumed is supposed to happen, which is clearly not in revelation.

Your opinion is just opinion.

God gave Satan a certain degree of dominion over this world, so it definitely matters a great deal what Satan, the ruler of this world is planning. You should give your enemy more respect than that.

No. It doesn't matter. God's plan will be the one that happens.

 

[Timtofly]

Then it never happened. I am not the one claiming seals have opened already. If they were opened then we would have seen every creature on earth praising God. We didn't.

You were not looking either, were you? You are the one telling God what happens when. Perhaps stop doing that?

If you said it did not happen because you missed it, that makes God a liar?

 

[Bobby Jo]

Anyone has to be THERE to rule with HIM, -- and the ONLY ones who will return with HIM are the MARTYRED.

Except you made that up.

Rev. 20:4 ... I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life, and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and they shall reign with him a thousand years.

​

OK, you caught me. I bought a DeLorean and got it up to 88mph so I could go back in time to write that ONLY the MARTYRED return with Jesus.

But because you assert that the "raptured-church" is included along with the MARTYRED, you're adding your words to this Book. So NOW you get a BONUS:

Rev. 23:18 I warn every one who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if any one adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, ​

Congratulations.
Bobby Jo

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[FollowHim]

Luke 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

If this virus/pestilence is a sign, the next thing we might expect is great signs in the heaven.

Not comets or asteroids or supermoons probably. But great signs that absolutely stun people and probably have never been seen before.

Now if we want revelations style signs, have you read revelation?

A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up......
A third of the sea turned into blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
Rev 8:7-9

Now what we are seeing is not close to this, not even 1/100000 of this.
But if it makes you feel something is finally happening, climate change is Gods judgement on us.
God bless you

 

[Timtofly]

Rev. 20:4 ... I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life, and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and they shall reign with him a thousand years.

​

OK, you caught me. I bought a DeLorean and got it up to 88mph so I could go back in time to write that ONLY the MARTYRED return with Jesus.

But because you assert that the "raptured-church" is included along with the MARTYRED, you're adding your words to this Book. So NOW you get a BONUS:

Rev. 23:18 I warn every one who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if any one adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, ​

Congratulations.
Bobby Jo

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Congrats, either you want your head chopped off, or you can leave earth before the time you have to have your head chopped off. Most Christians use their brains in their God given heads and accept God's Word where being preserved is a rapture above all the destruction and not a bulldozer in the destruction. All people on earth at the last destruction are martyred as your proof clearly states. So you can go through and get your head chopped off, if you can still choose so by that time. Otherwise you will embrace your true self, and follow Satan.

 

[dad]

Now if we want revelations style signs, have you read revelation?

A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up......
A third of the sea turned into blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
Rev 8:7-9

Now what we are seeing is not close to this, not even 1/100000 of this.
But if it makes you feel something is finally happening, climate change is Gods judgement on us.
God bless you

There seem to be three sets of signs. Signs before the last seven years. A group of signs that kick off the last seven years. Signs that are in the final seven years, after it starts.

So this pestilence would not be a sign in the last seven years. What is interesting is that is something that impacts the world. It could lead to all sorts of things mentioned in Revelation. Mark of the Beast, cashless society, world government etc. One thing especially concerning about this is that is, as Trump said 'came from China'. Every day in the news I see stories that beat the war drums.

This could lead to a big war. Now if that was the case it well could be the war in that group of signs that lead into the seven years. Those signs I see in all three gospels. (War, (famines, earthquakes, pestilences) and great signs in the heavens. If that is correct that these signs mark the beginning of sorrows, that is what I suspect we may see. A big world war followed by (depending where in the world we are as to the order) earthquakes, food shortages, biological diseases, and great signs in the heavens.

I could be wrong. But in all three gospels that speak of these signs I see a place where it says, basically, 'don't worry, when you see these signs the end is not yet'. So these signs it seems to me would be signs before that last and final end time period. From the days of the early church and all through until the seven time of that tribulation. Then we see five signs listed and in all three gospels it says something like 'these are the beginning of sorrows'.

Then after this we see a lot of things happen also, that are far greater in degree and frequency that anything ever seen before.

 

[FollowHim]

There seem to be three sets of signs. Signs before the last seven years. A group of signs that kick off the last seven years. Signs that are in the final seven years, after it starts.

So this pestilence would not be a sign in the last seven years. What is interesting is that is something that impacts the world. It could lead to all sorts of things mentioned in Revelation. Mark of the Beast, cashless society, world government etc. One thing especially concerning about this is that is, as Trump said 'came from China'. Every day in the news I see stories that beat the war drums.

This could lead to a big war. Now if that was the case it well could be the war in that group of signs that lead into the seven years. Those signs I see in all three gospels. (War, (famines, earthquakes, pestilences) and great signs in the heavens. If that is correct that these signs mark the beginning of sorrows, that is what I suspect we may see. A big world war followed by (depending where in the world we are as to the order) earthquakes, food shortages, biological diseases, and great signs in the heavens.

The plague of 1347 to 1351 or the black death killed 30% to 60% of europe. Now that is something to talk about.
What we now have is something that may affect millions but only kill 100,000.

How can we speak in the same terms as people of the past? We have no clue.

 

[dad]

The plague of 1347 to 1351 or the black death killed 30% to 60% of europe. Now that is something to talk about.
What we now have is something that may affect millions but only kill 100,000.

How can we speak in the same terms as people of the past? We have no clue.

It doesn't matter. It is not a question of degree. If there are pestilences and earthquakes and famines through history, fine. That is all part of the last time we have been living in since Jesus. We are still in the period where we can know all those things must first come to pass before the end. When we see that set of signs that herald the time whose trait is a woman in travail, or the time of sorrows has started, then we will know we have entered that time. Not now. Not in 1351. Like fingerprints, I am leaning toward thinking that it is a set of signs together that will mark the entrance into that last seven years of world history. Those 5 signs I already posted.

Have you some reason to argue that this is not correct?

 

[FollowHim]

It doesn't matter. It is not a question of degree. If there are pestilences and earthquakes and famines through history, fine. That is all part of the last time we have been living in since Jesus. We are still in the period where we can know all those things must first come to pass before the end. When we see that set of signs that herald the time whose trait is a woman in travail, or the time of sorrows has started, then we will know we have entered that time. Not now. Not in 1351. Like fingerprints, I am leaning toward thinking that it is a set of signs together that will mark the entrance into that last seven years of world history. Those 5 signs I already posted.

Have you some reason to argue that this is not correct?

Are you a prophet sent by God to warn us?
Or are you just speculating?

 

[dad]

Are you a prophet sent by God to warn us?
Or are you just speculating?

Just trying to make sense of the pandemic and see how Scripture fits or may fit. I think we already have been warned it would come one day. The issue is whether we are near the time now or not, or if we know.

 

[Timtofly]

Covid19 is the first seal that starts Revelation and the time of tribulation and sorrows.

I would not say it is just ww3. It is a world wide war. It is brother against brother. State against state. It will be on all levels. There will be no where to hide, but hopefully in our houses with a united will in the Holy Spirit, letting God be our shield in time of trouble.

Being prepared is having peace offerings. When your neighbors rise against you, have a peace offering to give them. Do not just give them away, but only when and if they come against you. Trust God and God will provide and guide you.