BREAKING OF BREAD

[marksman]

YES.....you did.

He said to his apostles it was his body/blood.

You said you don’t believe in fairy stories when referring to what He said.

No I didn't. I said I don't believe in YOUR fairy stories.

 

[marksman]

Hi MM<

I am referring to Paul and your dodging the question. I know why you don’t want to talk about Paul because Pauls rhetorical question in 1 Corinthians destroys your theory...that is why you don’t want to refer to Paul.

thank you for your time

Sorry to disappoint you but I don't deal in theories.

 

[bbyrd009]

and what boundary stone is it that you think i've violated and who is it that established it? Are you bringing a charge against me?



oh please... I acknowledged that there was more in your post that i hadn't had time to address, why the drama?



make up your mind...



haha, that is so not so.. 'lean not on your own understanding'. It is the Church that knows and passes on the 'deposit of Faith given once for all to the saints'.

My doctrine is not my own but that of my brothers and sisters and fathers and mothers and all the faithful down through the ages. 'for we have the mind of Christ'.

By all means don't listen to me, listen to the Church!




My sacrifice, God, is a broken spirit; God, do not spurn a broken, humbled heart



why would you think I woudnt forgive any man? Knowing the mercy extended to me, can I begrudge it to others?

For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you.



anything else oh grand inquisitor?

pj, Catholicism and Christianity are not going to blend in harmony as you might perhaps hope, on a doctrinal level? They are anathema to each other, and i dont want to pointlessly inquire or spar with you. And you have once again edited out the heart of my comments to boot. I have no objection whatever of good Catholics pj, but there is a limit

 

[Philip James]

Catholicism and Christianity are not going to blend in harmony as you might perhaps hope,

Hmm.. Catholicism is Christianity, so I'm not sure where you're going here..

"I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word,

so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.

And I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one,

I in them and you in me, that they may be brought to perfection as one, that the world may know that you sent me, and that you loved them even as you loved me


I will indeed hope in the prayer of my Master, for His will is always accomplished! The Church is One...

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

 

[bbyrd009]

Hmm.. Catholicism is Christianity, so I'm not sure where you're going here..

im sure that is your perspective pj, and as i said i am not inclined to disagree with you
the heir is under servants and is no better than a slave until he inherits, even though he is lord of all
Oh daughters of Jerusalem, do not find love until you are ready

 

[Marymog]

Like a lot of people here, Mary, you do don't understand where @bbyd009 is coming from... As I am sure you already know there are a number of people here in what they would, [and like so would you] beliefs, who failing to understand him do not believe he could really be a follower of Christ or even an "I want to be a follower of Christ". I disagree with you and them on this point.

When I give a person a 'like' it often means that I agree with them, but not always. Sometimes I like a response with which I do not agree. I am not saying this is the case this time with @bbyrd009

You asked me if I know Christian history. I am not a historian, but I know a little history. I have seen that even some who have specialized in the study of history sometimes fail to understand, or emphasize, the frequent problem with accepting the validity of much that has been written and called history. It is 'his story' and every man is or has been a liar, whether intentionally or not.There are too many variables and too many subjective reasons for what is written and why. Good reasons to prevaricate or good reasons to write without really knowing if it is so... or not. History!

You “like” a response you don’t agree with????

 

[Marymog]

asked and answered already mary, by recognizing "eating" and "drinking" as analogies, and doing them spiritually rather than ritually

Using scripture I can show you how he taught us to eat and drink Him. It is in the passages about The Last Supper.
Please educate me.

YOUR TURN: Using scripture show me how does one eat and drink Him “spiritually”?

 

[Marymog]

No I didn't. I said I don't believe in YOUR fairy stories.

Ummmm....I only repeated what He said soooo if you don’t believe what I said then you don’t believe what He said....it’s pretty simply kiddo

 

[Marymog]

Sorry to disappoint you but I don't deal in theories.

Riiiggghhhtttt

 

[bbyrd009]

Using scripture I can show you how he taught us to eat and drink Him. It is in the passages about The Last Supper.
Please educate me.

YOUR TURN: Using scripture show me how does one eat and drink Him “spiritually”?

well, i might ask for @amadeus ' response there, as that is imo a hidden but not very hidden principle in Scripture wherein "eating" and "drinking" are symbolic for something like "getting it all the way down inside" or something, but i can offer vv as they come to mind, I have food to eat that you know nothing about, How is it that you did not know I was not talking about bread, Father i pray that this cup pass from Me, nevertheless Your Will be done, many places really that outline the relationship though i think.

But fwiw this is most likely going to lead to nothing less than a complete rejection of everything you know, mary, and tbh im not even sure that that is your path? I would at least count the cost ok, bc we are talking about you, excommunicated, all your friends abandoning you, and no one, ever, going up to heaven after they have died. At least in my experience, there are no half-steps. A lot of sorrow iow, before the sorrow turns to joy. So i mean do what you will, but i would not condemn you for sticking with the Sacrifice ok

it's easy to imagine that your peers might be accepting of the Scriptures you would then be Quoting at them, but trust me they are going to hate them, and thus you.

 

[amadeus]

You “like” a response you don’t agree with????

Yes, because sometimes I am seeing something in the person that is appealing in spite of our differences in specific individual beliefs. As you know I have not been a formal Catholic in a great many years, but I still have Catholic friends. Even on this forum, if you follow your fellow Catholic, @Philip James periodically you will see that I have often given 'likes' to him because even when I may disagree with his position or belief or doctrine on something, I 'like' his Spirit. To me that is often more important than the specific position or the affiliation the person has with any group.

 

[Philip James]

im sure that is your perspective pj, and as i said i am not inclined to disagree with you

Indeed beloved,
And it is not an irrational perspective,
It is historically verifiable that the one, holy catholic and apostolic Church is the society founded by Christ, through the apostles.
It is the 'beacon set on a hill that cannot be hid'
It is 'the great mountain, grown from the stone, that has filled the whole Earth'
It is 'the greatest of trees that has grown from the smallest of seeds'

I am always perplexed when I hear one of its branches denying the very trunk from which they spring..

the heir is under servants and is no better than a slave until he inherits, even though he is lord of all
Oh daughters of Jerusalem, do not find love until you are ready

Better a slave in the house of the Lord, than a king of the world...

Submit yourselves to one another

Peace be with you!

 

[Marymog]

Yes, because sometimes I am seeing something in the person that is appealing in spite of our differences in specific individual beliefs. As you know I have not been a formal Catholic in a great many years, but I still have Catholic friends. Even on this forum, if you follow your fellow Catholic, @Philip James periodically you will see that I have often given 'likes' to him because even when I may disagree with his position or belief or doctrine on something, I 'like' his Spirit. To me that is often more important than the specific position or the affiliation the person has with any group.

Thank you. It sounds like when you “like” a post you are not necessarily liking WHAT they say but you “like” the person or their spirit. I find that interesting and don’t understand it but there is really no need for me to understand it.

 

[marksman]

Ummmm....I only repeated what He said soooo if you don’t believe what I said then you don’t believe what He said....it’s pretty simply kiddo

That is alright baby doll. Let me tell you a little story.

In WW1 they did not have the modern-day communication that we have now. Messages were often given by word of mouth down the line. The captain in charge of the allied forces gave an order to a private "Give a message to HQ. Send reinforcements we are going to advance."He trotted off to take it to the next private down the line and so on and so on.

The last private arrived at headquarters came to attention and saluted the captain. "Message from the front sir. Send three and fourpence, we are going to a dance."

See if you can work that one out.

 

[Marymog]

That is alright baby doll. Let me tell you a little story.

In WW1 they did not have the modern-day communication that we have now. Messages were often given by word of mouth down the line. The captain in charge of the allied forces gave an order to a private "Give a message to HQ. Send reinforcements we are going to advance."He trotted off to take it to the next private down the line and so on and so on.

The last private arrived at headquarters came to attention and saluted the captain. "Message from the front sir. Send three and fourpence, we are going to a dance."

See if you can work that one out.

Hi MM,

Are you suggesting that the authors of the NT did not accurately write down what Jesus said?

 

[Marymog]

That is alright baby doll.....

Babydoll: A loving, sweet term of endearment from a man to an attractive, cute, sexy, young looking child woman.

 

[bbyrd009]

Hi MM,

Are you suggesting that the authors of the NT did not accurately write down what Jesus said?

it can also be a commentary on our hearing though, as Scripture even warns us that Paul is misinterpreted to the destruction of many. There is no To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, for instance

plus, i think you would have to admit that there are many things written that Jesus said that you do not take literally anyway?

 

[Dcopymope]

it can also be a commentary on our hearing though, as Scripture even warns us that Paul is misinterpreted to the destruction of many. There is no To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, for instance

plus, i think you would have to admit that there are many things written that Jesus said that you do not take literally anyway?

"To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" is one of the main verses taken wholly out of context to support this fallacious idea that we automatically go to heaven when we die. The support for such beliefs is flimsy at best.

 

[Joseph77]

You “like” a response you don’t agree with???

frewquently perhaps- for whoever is against what Jesus is against, cannot be speaking evil of Jesus in the next breath.

 

[Joseph77]

plus, i think you would have to admit that there are many things written that Jesus said that you do not take literally anyway?

Actually, nothing (for those who are required to believe what they are told by some heirarchy opposed to Jesus).

They don't read and understand as God Gives Understanding - no. They listen to their 'boss' in the heirarchy, and accept that.