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Eph. 2:10 – in quoting Ephesians 2:8-9, Protestants invariably ignore the very next verse. Right after Paul’s teaching on “works” referring to Mosaic law, Paul says we are created in Christ for “good works” – a clear distinction between “works of law” (Mosaic law/legal payment) and “good works” (law of Christ/reward of grace). Yet the confusion about "works" never ends because that is how you have been trained to think. Agreed, but your abuse of Ephesians 2:8 seems to never end.
I don't ignore verse 10 and you should not ignore the fact that after Paul said we are saved by grace through faith, not works (in which you cannot dissect good works from the Mosaic law) he goes on to say that we are saved FOR good works and NOT BY good works. I have no confusion about works, yet the Roman Catholic church is chest deep in salvation through faith (their version of faith) AND WORKS. Prior to my conversion, I was raised in the Roman Catholic church, so none of your arguments are anything new or enlightening.

Repeatedly harping about 1 John 3:9 to prove your point doesn't work, as explained in post #3377, which you ignored. You demonstrate a lack of harmony with 1 John 1:8-10 with standard one verse theology. @Tong commits the same error.
What did I ignore? I use 1 John 3:9 to prove that no one who is born of God practices sin. That does not mean we never sin at all, which is in harmony with (1 John 1:8-10).

Agreed, but nowhere in scripture does it say we are saved, justified or sanctified by faith alone where hope and love are absent. That is a stubborn, false man made tradition.
Justified by faith "apart from additions or modification" (Romans 5:1) faith (rightly understood) in Christ alone. Nowhere in scripture does it say we are saved by faith AND works or justified by faith AND works. To the contrary, we find saved through "faith, not works" (Ephesians 2:8,9) and justified by "faith" with no mention of works. (Romans 5:1) Faith would not be without hope and love because faith is the substance of things hoped for.. (Hebrews 11:1) and the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. (Romans 5:5) So there is no need for straw man arguments.

The so called reformers were forced to change the meaning of "faith" to exclude hope and love. They didn't "reform" anything. They invented a whole new religion. See Galatians 5:4, Galatians 5:14; Galatians 6:2
Faith is still faith and hope is still hope and love is still love. Roman Catholics changed the meaning of faith to "include works" and the end result is salvation by faith AND WORKS, which is a perversion of the gospel. Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption alone and not based on the merits of our works (Romans 3:24-28) yet Roman Catholicism will stop at nothing to "shoe horn" works "into" salvation through faith and keep Roman Catholics in bondage to a false gospel that negates salvation through faith in Christ alone and renders Christ an IN-sufficient Savior.
 
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But you muddy the waters by using "works" apart from grace through faith, which is useless works. That's what "not of yourselves" means.

May I ask where you come up with this notion that "Not of works" means "worthless works"

Paul said not of ourselves. That literal means it was not obtained by anything we have done That this salvation which was given By Grace through Faith was completely the gift of God. If you do works for it, then it is no longer a gift, But it is somethign you can boast. or take credit for yourself.

Paul reiterates this same concept in Rom 4. Where he said clearly, IF abraham was found (save) By works, He would have something to boast. Making it very clear. that if we are found by any work, it is not counted as GRACE but as DEBT.

Paul reiterates it again it Titus, where he says clearly that we were not saved by any work of righteousness (these are righteous deads, or deeds done in faith.) But By Gods mercy.

If anyone is muddying waters, It is not Mailmandan!
 

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The people in Matthew 7:21-23 failed to do the will of the Father by believing in Christ (John 6:40) which is why Christ "never" knew them. They were not true converts. They were unbelievers.
If Jesus is talking to unbelievers in Matt 7:21-23, how did these “unbelievers” manage to prophesy, cast our demons and perform miracles in Jesus’ name? Where did they get these supernatural powers, if not from Jesus?

Why would Jesus give these powers to unbelievers? Think about it. (Acts 19:13-16 describes how unbelievers who tried to use Jesus’ name to cast out a demon failed miserably).

Why do these “unbelievers” call Jesus, “Lord”?

when James asks, “Can that faith save him?”
That’s not what James asks - he asks, “Can his faith save him?” James is talking about someone who has faith, but not works - that’s the whole point of the passage.
So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works.
I agree - James is saying we are saved by faith and works (James 2:24) ... just as it says elsewhere in the NT.
In a nutshell, man is saved through faith and not by works
In a nutshell, if “faith without works is dead”, we are saved by faith and works, not faith alone.
 

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Salvation is through grace; if that's easy believism, then you got me. However, there are treasures in heaven, those who die for Jesus' sake will be the greatest beneficiaries. Those persecuted for Christ's sake will also receive the greater rewards. The rest of us are somewhere down the ladder. There will be consequences for our behavior, even if we are saved. The Sermon on the Mount reveals these consequences (Christians filled with lust will experience something worse than bodily dismemberment, for instance). If we do not follow God's commandments as Jesus laid out in the Sermon, we will experience negative consequences in the next life. For some of us, the Lake of Fire will be painful. Nevertheless, eternal life has been promised to those who have been cleansed by the cross.
I think you might be reading your Bible upside-down.
 

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I am not God, its not up to me
However, If you say you did them because you were working toward receiving eternal life. THEN I can judge your motive
Oh, so you can judge and condemn me for doing the will of God by striving to keep His commandments. That’s right up there with the most stupidest “theology” I’ve ever heard.

Paul says “Strive for … the holiness without which no one will see the Lord” (Heb 12:14). According to you, Paul got it wrong, because he preaches the very “motive” you condemn - working to gain salvation. Gee, I wonder whom I should listen to - Paul or you?

So if I’m tempted to sin, and I think, “I will not give in to temptation and sin because I will be judged for my deeds and may even put my salvation at risk”, and consequently don’t sin, you’re saying you can “judge” me for choosing not to sin? In other works, by choosing not to sin, I have sinned? Your “theology” seems quite demented ... but thanks for the laughs!
 

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so we have to work hard, and have many good works, so that we can overcome and earn savation

Thank you I think you just made my point for me
You’ve got that wrong - faith is meant to lead to repentance and holiness (aka righteousness), which is keeping His commandments, which is good works - as James says, “faith without works is dead”. Do you understand that the NT preaches that faith alone does not save?

In Rev 2 and 3, Jesus judges each of the seven Churches according to their faith and their works (Jesus mentions their “works” seven times). In this passage, Jesus also mentions “he who overcomes” seven times, and He is referring to faith and works, not just faith.

“For in Christ neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working through love” (Gal 5:6);

“Do you not know that God’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?” (Romans 2:4);

”For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments” (1John 5:3);

“And by this we may be sure that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says ‘I know Him’ but disobeys His commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him truly love for God is perfected. By this we may be sure that we are in Him …” (1John 2:3-5);

“the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus” (Rev 14:12);

“All who keep His commandments abide in Him, and He in them.” (1John 3:24);

”He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him” (John 3:36);

“Strive for … the holiness without which no one will see the Lord” (Heb 12:14);

“He who through faith is righteous shall live” (Romans 1:17)
earn salvation
I’m not familiar with that term. Is keeping His commandments the same as earning your salvation? If so, I’m on the right track.
 

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so we have to work hard, and have many good works, so that we can overcome and earn salvation

Thank you I think you just made my point for me
Acts 9:36 describes Tabitha, a disciple who was “full of good works and acts of charity”. Was she trying to “earn” her salvation?
 

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I don't ignore verse 10 and you should not ignore the fact that after Paul said we are saved by grace through faith, not works (in which you cannot dissect good works from the Mosaic law).
The Bible makes a clear distinction between good works and works of the law. This has been explained in detail for about 100 times.
 

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I say this as a preface to noting that the commission concluded that canon 9 of Trent’s Decree on Justification is not applicable to modern Protestants (or at least those who say saving faith is Galatians 5 faith). This is important because canon 9 is the one dealing with the faith alone formula (and the one R.C. Sproul is continually hopping up and down about). It states:

If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, so as to understand that nothing else is required to cooperate in the attainment of the grace of justification . . . let him be anathema.

The reason this is not applicable to modern Protestants is that Protestants (at least the good ones) do not hold the view being condemned in this canon.

Like all Catholic documents of the period, it uses the term faith in the sense of intellectual belief in whatever God says. Thus the position being condemned is the idea that we are justified by intellectual assent alone (as per James 2). We might rephrase the canon:

If anyone says that the sinner is justified by intellectual assent alone, so as to understand that nothing besides intellectual assent is required to cooperate in the attainment of the grace of justification . . . let him be anathema.

And every non-antinomian Protestant would agree with this, since in addition to intellectual assent one must also repent, trust, etc.6

So Trent does not condemn the (good) Protestant understanding of faith alone. In fact, the canon allows the formula to be used so long as it is not used so as to understand that nothing besides intellectual assent is required. The canon only condemns sola fide if it is used so as to understand that nothing else [besides intellectual assent] is required to attain justification. Thus Trent is only condemning one interpretation of the sola fides formula and not the formula itself.

I should mention at this point that I think Trent was absolutely right in what it did and that it phrased the canon in the perfect manner to be understood by the Catholic faithful of the time. The term faith had long been established as referring to intellectual assent, as per Romans 14:22-23, James 2:14-26, 1 Corinthians 13:13, etc., and thus everyday usage of the formula faith alone had to be squashed in the Catholic community because it would be understood to mean intellectual assent alone the very view being condemned in James 2 and would thus send millions of souls to hell (as the antinomian branch of Evangelicalism is doing today).

The Church could no more allow people to run around indiscriminately using the faith alone formula knowing how it would be interpreted by the faithful after centuries of one usage than the Church today could allow people to run around saying Jesus is not God (using God as a proper name for the Father). The confusion (and damnation) it would wreak would be massive. Even though the formula can indeed have a perfectly orthodox meaning, that is not how it will be understood by the masses. There must be continuity in the language of the faithful or massive confusion will result.

In fact, one can argue that the problem of antinomianism in Protestantism is a product of the attempt by the Reformers to change the established usage of the term faith to include more than intellectual assent. The English verb believe (derived from Old High German) and the English noun faith (derived from French and before that Latin) were both formed under the historic Christian usage of the term faith and thus they connote intellectual assent.

This is a deeply rooted aspect of the English language, which is why Protestant evangelists have to labor so hard at explaining to the unchurched why faith alone does not mean intellectual assent alone. They have to work so hard at this because they are bucking the existing use of the language; the Reformers effort to change the meanings of the terms believe and faith have not borne significant fruit outside of the Protestant community.

This is also the reason Evangelical preaching often tragically slips into antinomianism. The historic meaning of the terms believe and faith, which are still the established meanings outside the Protestant community, tend to reassert themselves in the Protestant community when people aren’t paying attention, and antinomianism results.

This reflects one of the tragedies of the Reformation. If the Reformers had not tried to overturn the existing usage of the term faith and had only specified it further to formed faith, if they had only adopted the slogan iustificatio sola fide formata instead of iustificatio sola fide, then all of this could have been avoided. The Church would have embraced the formula, the split in Christendom might possibly have been avoided, and we would not have a problem with antinomianism today.

So I agree a hundred percent with what Trent did. The existing usage of the term faith in connection with justification could not be overturned any more than the existing usage of the term God in connection with Jesus identity could be overturned.

What both communities need to do today, now that a different usage has been established in them, is learn to translate between each others languages. Protestants need to be taught that the Catholic formula salvation by faith, hope, and charity is equivalent to what they mean by faith alone. And Catholics need to be taught that (at least for the non-antinomians) the Protestant formula faith alone is equivalent to what they mean by faith, hope, and charity.

It would be nice if the two groups could reconverge on a single formula, but that would take centuries to develop, and only as a consequence of the two groups learning to translate each others theological vocabularies first. Before a reconvergence of language could take place, the knowledge that the two formulas mean the same thing would first need to be as common as the knowledge that English people drive on the left-hand side of the road instead of on the right-hand side as Americans do. That is not going to happen any time soon, but for now we must do what we can in helping others to understand what the two sides are saying.

(Needless to say, this whole issue of translating theological vocabularies is very important to me since I have been both a committed Evangelical and a committed Catholic and thus have had to learn to translate the two vocabularies through arduous effort in reading theological dictionaries, encyclopedias, systematic theologies, and Church documents. So I feel like banging my head against a wall whenever I hear R.C. Sproul and others representing canon 9 as a manifest and blatant condemnation of Protestant doctrine, or even all Protestants, on this point.)

The fact faith is normally used by Catholics to refer to intellectual assent (as in Romans 14:22-23, 1 Corinthians 13:13, and James 2:14-26) is one reason Catholics do not commonly use the faith alone formula even though they agree with what (good) Protestants mean by it. The formula runs counter to the historic meaning of the term faith.

The other reason is that, frankly, the formula itself (though not what it is used to express) is flatly unbiblical. The phrase faith alone (Greek, pisteos monon), occurs exactly once in the Bible, and there it is rejected:

You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. (James. 2:24)

Without going into the subject of what kind of justification is being discussed here (which is misunderstood by most Evangelical commentators on Catholicism, the phrase faith alone is itself rejected. Even though Protestants can give the phrase orthodox theological content, the phrase itself is unbiblical. If we wish to conform our theological language to the language of the Bible, we need to conform our usage of the phrase faith alone to the use of that phrase in the Bible.

Thus, if we are to conform our language to the language of the Bible, we need to reject usage of the formula faith alone while at the same time preaching that man is justified by faith and not by works of the Law (which Catholics can and should and must and do preach, as Protestants would know if they read Catholic literature). James 2:24 requires rejection of the first formula while Romans 3:28 requires the use of the second.

Thus while Catholics have good reason for not using the formula faith alone, they do not deny what non-antinomian Protestants mean when they use this phrase.

This brings me back (after a long, but I hope fruitful journey) to the subject I began with. When callers ask, Why aren’t Catholics under the anathema of God since they reject the faith alone formula? one can simply say that in addition to believing in justification by grace alone and justification by Christ alone, Catholics also have no problem with justification by faith alone, so long as the kind of faith is understood properly as formed faith/fides formata/faith working by charity. Catholics don’t normally use the phrase faith alone for the two reasons indicated above, but they have no problem at all saying we are justified by faith alone if the faith is understood to be Galatians 5 faith.
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If Jesus is talking to unbelievers in Matt 7:21-23, how did these “unbelievers” manage to prophesy, cast our demons and perform miracles in Jesus’ name? Where did they get these supernatural powers, if not from Jesus?
So you believe these many people in Matthew 7:22-23 were believers, even after Jesus said to them, "I NEVER knew you: depart from me ye that work iniquity." Is that descriptive of a saved believer? Absolutely not. In regards to these unbelievers prophesying, casting out demons and performing miracles in His name, there are false prophets who prophecy in the name of Jesus and even make false prophecies. In Matthew 10:1, we see that Jesus gave His 12 disciples power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. This would include Judas Iscariot, yet Jesus referred to Judas Iscariot as an unbelieving, unclean devil who would betray Him. (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11). Apparently, Judas believed that Jesus' name has the power to cast out demons but did not truly believe in His name (John 1:12) and become a child of God, but instead was the son of perdition (John 17:12). So even though they would have done it in Jesus' name, would not have been a guarantee that their hearts were right with God and the power is in Jesus' name and not in these men.

Why would Jesus give these powers to unbelievers? Think about it. (Acts 19:13-16 describes how unbelievers who tried to use Jesus’ name to cast out a demon failed miserably).
Regardless of that isolated situation, some may argue that Satan may grant one of his agents to appear to cast out demons from another of his agents in order to gain attention and loyalty from an audience for his evil agenda. The enemy could easily use this deception to win an audience for his claims. I once watched a false prophet on TBN allegedly cast a demon out of someone else. I once knew a Mormon woman who claimed to cast a demon out of a young man and said the demon started to attack her, but then in an eerie voice said, "you are a child of God!" and then departed. She was very boastful about how that demon knew not to mess with her because she was a child of God! You can always trust a demon to tell you the truth, NOT! Demons can easily put on a show to make you think that you casted them out. This experience caused her to be even more convinced that she was secure in her false religion, which was obviously the plan of the demon.

Why do these “unbelievers” call Jesus, “Lord”?
The same reason why other unbelievers call Jesus, "Lord." They are deceived into believing that they are believers and He is their Lord and they are doing all the right things a child of God would do, even though they are lost.

That’s not what James asks - he asks, “Can his faith save him?” James is talking about someone who has faith, but not works - that’s the whole point of the passage.
No, James did not say that this hypothetical person actually had faith and salvation by faith and works is not the point of the passage. In James 2:14, James said - What use is it, my brethren, if someone says (or claims) he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? What kind of faith is that? Empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith. James is simply saying faith that is not accompanied by evidential works demonstrates that it's dead. If someone merely says-claims (key word) they have faith, but lack resulting evidential works, then they have an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith.

I agree - James is saying we are saved by faith and works (James 2:24) ... just as it says elsewhere in the NT.
No, James is not saying we are saved by faith and works, in contradiction to Romans 4:2-6 nor is this taught elsewhere in the NT, as I already thoroughly explained in post #3380.

In a nutshell, if “faith without works is dead”, we are saved by faith and works, not faith alone.
"Faith without works is dead" does not mean that faith is dead until it produces works and then it becomes a living faith or that works are the source of life in faith, which would be like saying that a tree is dead until it produces fruit and then it becomes a living tree and the fruit is the source of life in the tree. Again, James is simply saying faith that is not accompanied by evidential works demonstrates that it's dead. So James does not teach that we are saved "by" faith "and" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple!

Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is evidenced by works (James 2:14-26). Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works. It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified based on Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-26). *Perfect Harmony*

We are saved by faith that trusts in Christ alone for salvation and not in works, yet not by an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains alone - barren of works, which is what James means by "faith alone." Prior to my conversion, I did not understand this either. The natural man cannot understand and is spiritually discerned. (1 Corinthians 2:14)
 
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The Bible makes a clear distinction between good works and works of the law. This has been explained in detail for about 100 times.
Your saved by "these" works (good works) and just not "those" works (works of the law) argument has already been thoroughly refuted in posts #3380 and #3381.
 
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We are all baptized. We all believe in Christ
So then, do we want to approach God with good deeds or bad deeds???

For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”
So then, those who suffer according to God’s will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good 1 Peter 4: 17-19

So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God Romans 14:12

For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil Ecclesiastes 12:14

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad 2 Corinthians 5:10

But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned Matthew 12: 36-37

And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds Revelation 20:12-13

But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead 1 Peter 4:5


Im not sure about you guys but i would much rather be approaching Our Lord with good deeds for we will be judged

Jesus is our defense barrister. He's the best defense barrister in heaven and earth
But even the best barrister cannot defend an unrepentant sinner. Christ might not even take on such a case
Naturally the fewer sins and more good deeds we have the easier it will be for Christ to defend us
 
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Regardless of that isolated situation, some may argue that Satan may grant one of his agents to appear to cast out demons from another of his agents in order to gain attention and loyalty from an audience for his evil agenda. The enemy could easily use this deception to win an audience for his claims. I once watched a false prophet on TBN allegedly cast a demon out of someone else. I once knew a Mormon woman who claimed to cast a demon out of a young man and said the demon started to attack her, but then in an eerie voice said, "you are a child of God!" and then departed. She was very boastful about how that demon knew not to mess with her because she was a child of God! You can always trust a demon to tell you the truth, NOT! Demons can easily put on a show to make you think that you casted them out. This experience caused her to be even more convinced that she was secure in her false religion, which was obviously the plan of the demon.
You'd be amazed at the lies people believe, including the lies about "Mormons".
 

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Oh, so you can judge and condemn me for doing the will of God by striving to keep His commandments. That’s right up there with the most stupidest “theology” I’ve ever heard.

Paul says “Strive for … the holiness without which no one will see the Lord” (Heb 12:14). According to you, Paul got it wrong, because he preaches the very “motive” you condemn - working to gain salvation. Gee, I wonder whom I should listen to - Paul or you?

So if I’m tempted to sin, and I think, “I will not give in to temptation and sin because I will be judged for my deeds and may even put my salvation at risk”, and consequently don’t sin, you’re saying you can “judge” me for choosing not to sin? In other works, by choosing not to sin, I have sinned? Your “theology” seems quite demented ... but thanks for the laughs!
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I can judge you if you claim the reason for doing those works is to earn or maintain your salvation. And not as a result of being saved, and your love and gratitude for him.
 
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You’ve got that wrong - faith is meant to lead to repentance and holiness (aka righteousness), which is keeping His commandments, which is good works - as James says, “faith without works is dead”. Do you understand that the NT preaches that faith alone does not save?

In Rev 2 and 3, Jesus judges each of the seven Churches according to their faith and their works (Jesus mentions their “works” seven times). In this passage, Jesus also mentions “he who overcomes” seven times, and He is referring to faith and works, not just faith.

“For in Christ neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working through love” (Gal 5:6);

“Do you not know that God’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?” (Romans 2:4);

”For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments” (1John 5:3);

“And by this we may be sure that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says ‘I know Him’ but disobeys His commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him truly love for God is perfected. By this we may be sure that we are in Him …” (1John 2:3-5);

“the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus” (Rev 14:12);

“All who keep His commandments abide in Him, and He in them.” (1John 3:24);

”He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him” (John 3:36);

“Strive for … the holiness without which no one will see the Lord” (Heb 12:14);

“He who through faith is righteous shall live” (Romans 1:17)

Yeah you proved my point for me, nothing more needed to be said

I’m not familiar with that term. Is keeping His commandments the same as earning your salvation? If so, I’m on the right track.

If your doing them to earn or maintain (keep from losing) salvation. Then yeah, That's earning your salvation.
 
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You'd be amazed at the lies people believe, including the lies about "Mormons".
This Mormon woman personally told my wife and I about her experience. My wife has RLDS and LDS relatives and I’m familiar with their doctrines.
 

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Acts 9:36 describes Tabitha, a disciple who was “full of good works and acts of charity”. Was she trying to “earn” her salvation?
Nope.

She did it BECAUSE she was saved, and for the same reason I do it. Out of gratitude and love for My savior who made me white as snow and adopted me into Gods family as his dear child. where I will be forever.
 
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The Bible makes a clear distinction between good works and works of the law. This has been explained in detail for about 100 times.
Yes

But in Eph 1. Works of the law are not in question. or in context. The works Paul spoke of was any work which woudl cause one to boast. or take credit. because they have earned their salvation by works
 

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We are all baptized. We all believe in Christ
So then, do we want to approach God with good deeds or bad deeds???

For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”
So then, those who suffer according to God’s will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good 1 Peter 4: 17-19

So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God Romans 14:12

For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil Ecclesiastes 12:14

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad 2 Corinthians 5:10

But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned Matthew 12: 36-37

And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds Revelation 20:12-13

But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead 1 Peter 4:5


Im not sure about you guys but i would much rather be approaching Our Lord with good deeds for we will be judged

Jesus is our defense barrister. He's the best defense barrister in heaven and earth
But even the best barrister cannot defend an unrepentant sinner. Christ might not even take on such a case
Naturally the fewer sins and more good deeds we have the easier it will be for Christ to defend us


yes I was baptized (washed) by God himself

And I approach him by faith, and out of this faith, I receive his love, which empowers me to love others. which causes me to bear fruit (works) which produces righteousness.
 
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