So would I xx
When I posted the comment I was referring to members of this forum who keep mentioning it - and they are defiantly opposed to the ‘ left ‘ !! Rita
Covid 19... Not the main concern.
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When I posted the comment I was referring to members of this forum who keep mentioning it - and they are defiantly opposed to the ‘ left ‘ !! Rita
Cristo Rei
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Oh really. I was unaware. I went back and saw the response someone gave which was incorrect and your reply which was correct
There has always been confusion between socialism and communism cos the west incorrectly referred to the USSR as communist
In actual fact there has never been a communist state. I don't think it's possible
It can all get very complex with various forms of socialism and capitalism.
This 3 minute video explains the basic differences between communism, socialism and capitalism for anyone who is interested
Scientists say a now-dominant strain of the coronavirus appears to be more contagious than original
Scientists have identified a new strain of the coronavirus that has become dominant worldwide and appears to be more contagious than the versions that spread in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a new study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory.
The new strain appeared in February in Europe, migrated quickly to the East Coast of the United States and has been the dominant strain across the world since mid-March, the scientists wrote.
In addition to spreading faster, it may make people vulnerable to a second infection after a first bout with the disease, the report warned.
Wherever the new strain appeared, it quickly infected far more people than the earlier strains that came out of Wuhan, China, and within weeks it was the only strain that was prevalent in some nations, according to the report. The new strain’s dominance over its predecessors demonstrates that it is more infectious, according to the report, though exactly why is not yet known.
The new strain appeared in February in Europe, migrated quickly to the East Coast of the United States and has been the dominant strain across the world since mid-March, the scientists wrote.
In addition to spreading faster, it may make people vulnerable to a second infection after a first bout with the disease, the report warned.
Wherever the new strain appeared, it quickly infected far more people than the earlier strains that came out of Wuhan, China, and within weeks it was the only strain that was prevalent in some nations, according to the report. The new strain’s dominance over its predecessors demonstrates that it is more infectious, according to the report, though exactly why is not yet known.
Cristo Rei
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I've since seen criticisms of that article and headline from scientists. Their main argument seems to be that the LA Times went too far in assuming that since the new strain is more prevalent, then it must be more contagious. That may not be the case. Also, they pointed out that all viruses mutate and evolve different strains, so finding that COVID has been doing so isn't a surprise.
Well this is both disgusting and laughable (for their incompetence)...
She Said Anthony Fauci Sexually Assaulted Her. Now She Says Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman Paid Her to Lie.
The gist of the story is that these two conservative....I dunno what you call them....operatives, activists, idiots....paid a woman to make up accusations of sexual assault against Dr. Fauci. They even had a conference call with reporters, but as it quickly became apparent that the whole thing was a hoax, the reporters figured they'd just let it die and not give it any attention. That all changed when the woman the conservative hoaxers paid to lie turned on the hoaxers, recorded them saying some truly awful things, and then sent the tape to one of the reporters.
She Said Anthony Fauci Sexually Assaulted Her. Now She Says Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman Paid Her to Lie.
The gist of the story is that these two conservative....I dunno what you call them....operatives, activists, idiots....paid a woman to make up accusations of sexual assault against Dr. Fauci. They even had a conference call with reporters, but as it quickly became apparent that the whole thing was a hoax, the reporters figured they'd just let it die and not give it any attention. That all changed when the woman the conservative hoaxers paid to lie turned on the hoaxers, recorded them saying some truly awful things, and then sent the tape to one of the reporters.
During the nine-minute, 35-second call, Wohl and Burkman do not cover themselves in glory. They hector Andrade when she says she's feeling paranoid and wants reassurance that everything's fine.
"What could be wrong, Diana?" Wohl asks. "You did a good job, you got paid. What's the problem? What seems to be the issue? You're freaking out. You're texting me late at night. What's the issue?"
"What's the problem? What's your problem?" echoes Burkman. "Tell me what the problem is? What's your problem?"
She says she's uncomfortable with the money they gave her, some guy showing up, claiming to be a lawyer, with his face hidden by a cap.
"Is he even a real lawyer?" she asks. "I looked him up."
"Yeah, he's a real lawyer," Wohl says. "He's a good lawyer," and then goes on to brag about that lawyer's White House connections....
...
She proposes she give back the cash and instead receive a wire transfer (thus creating a trace), a proposition Burkman shoots down. ("Cash is best," he tells her. "We don't want any records of this nonsense.") She wants the men to admit they are trying to bring down a person who in no part deserves it.
"Let me tell you something, Diana," says Burkman. "This guy shut the country down. He put 40 million people out of work. In a situation like that, you have to make up whatever you have to make up to stop that train and that's the way life works, OK? That's the way it goes."
Andrade counters that he and Wohl are not taking COVID-19 seriously. "It's not just any virus. I mean, it's a huge deal….I think you guys think it's something made up, and it's not."
"Mother Nature has to clean the barn every so often," Burkman counters. "How real is it? Who knows? So what if 1 percent of the population goes? So what if you lose 400,000 people? Two hundred thousand were elderly, the other 200,000 are the bottom of society. You got to clean out the barn. If it's real, it's a positive thing, for God's sake."
"What could be wrong, Diana?" Wohl asks. "You did a good job, you got paid. What's the problem? What seems to be the issue? You're freaking out. You're texting me late at night. What's the issue?"
"What's the problem? What's your problem?" echoes Burkman. "Tell me what the problem is? What's your problem?"
She says she's uncomfortable with the money they gave her, some guy showing up, claiming to be a lawyer, with his face hidden by a cap.
"Is he even a real lawyer?" she asks. "I looked him up."
"Yeah, he's a real lawyer," Wohl says. "He's a good lawyer," and then goes on to brag about that lawyer's White House connections....
...
She proposes she give back the cash and instead receive a wire transfer (thus creating a trace), a proposition Burkman shoots down. ("Cash is best," he tells her. "We don't want any records of this nonsense.") She wants the men to admit they are trying to bring down a person who in no part deserves it.
"Let me tell you something, Diana," says Burkman. "This guy shut the country down. He put 40 million people out of work. In a situation like that, you have to make up whatever you have to make up to stop that train and that's the way life works, OK? That's the way it goes."
Andrade counters that he and Wohl are not taking COVID-19 seriously. "It's not just any virus. I mean, it's a huge deal….I think you guys think it's something made up, and it's not."
"Mother Nature has to clean the barn every so often," Burkman counters. "How real is it? Who knows? So what if 1 percent of the population goes? So what if you lose 400,000 people? Two hundred thousand were elderly, the other 200,000 are the bottom of society. You got to clean out the barn. If it's real, it's a positive thing, for God's sake."
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Wanna know how Sweden's approach stacks up against their neighbors, who took more conventional measures?
Deaths per Million
Sweden: 301
Denmark: 89
Finland: 46
Norway: 40
Coronavirus Update (Live): 3,894,917 Cases and 269,274 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
Deaths per Million
Sweden: 301
Denmark: 89
Finland: 46
Norway: 40
Coronavirus Update (Live): 3,894,917 Cases and 269,274 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
Cristo Rei
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A fairer more complete picture would be to also track the deaths caused by the lockdown. People afraid to go to hospital, others missing out on surgeries, many more suicides. Then u have things like mental health illnesses, homelessness, jobless which can go on for the rest of their lives
The C19 deaths are of the elderly who lived a good, long life in the golden era
These other souls never even got a chance, many of them to battle poverty till they die
A lot of scientists and doctors are saying it was all a huge over reaction to a new flu strain
That it would of been over with in 2-3 weeks if it just ran its natural course and protected the vulnerable
Behind every number is a family in grief but covid deaths aren't more important than other deaths
While I'm sure those things happened, I seriously doubt whatever increase they may have undergone would make up for the tripling of Sweden's death rate from COVID (relative to the other Scandinavian countries).
Mostly, but not exclusively. Again, I'm appalled at how many Christians just write off these deaths as "it's just old people".
Sweden's numbers prove them wrong.
Agreed, but many of them are preventable.
Cristo Rei
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Well we just don't know cos we haven't got much data. In my city the suicides have increased by 50%.
The average was 4 suicides a day so its an increase of 2 deaths a day. Just that alone is a higher death rate than covid down here
Add the other variables and death rate from the lock down far exceeds covid death rate
To be fair that's not what I did.
I was using the contrast to illustrate the tragedy of a death of a young soul who had their whole lives ahead of them
A soul that will never get married, have kids or enjoy life. A soul that is put to rest by their parents
One of the things they need to do is review how to the care of the elderly in retirement homes. So many deaths happened there
I think workers would have to sacrifice 2 or 3 weeks at a time where they actually sleep there or at a hotel to prevent bringing it in
They also need to plan weather they want to try and eradicate C19, or obtain herd immunity naturally or intravenously
These doctors have an interesting conversation about how to obtain immunity. A topic i don't hear too much about but must be considered
Well we have all kinds of studies, and some of them are politically motivated. Here's a study which should calm down the fear-mongering:
Leading German Virologist: "COVID-19 Less Deadly Than We Thought"
Via 21stCenturyWire.com
German scientist, Professor Hendrik Streeck has been studying groups of subjects in his country and has reached a number of compelling provisional findings regarding the viral behaviour of the new Coronavirus.
Streeck also explains why he thinks that draconian ‘lockdown’ measures were decided in haste, and may ultimately be deemed to have been completely unnecessary.
He also presented data which gives an indication of an “Infected Fatality Rate” (IFR), eg. the percentage of people infected who will end up dying. New findings show a COVID-19 infection fatality rate of between 0.24 – 0.36% (as opposed to Neil Ferguson who claims the IFR to be just under 1%, perhaps 0.8-0.9%). Previous interviews with UnHerd, with experts like Johan Giesecke who believes the IFR is closer to 0.1%, or one in a thousand.
The difference between IFR is important, not least of all because this statistic will be used by governments to determine he relative severity of the threat in question. After UK ‘experts’ like Prof. Ferguson had massively overestimated the IFR, Boris Johnson’s government then switched course – away from a more common sense, science-based approach like Sweden, and instead implemented an experimental Medieval-style quarantine, or “lockdown” method, to try and contain the coronavirus. In the end, the UK policy turned out to be a disaster, leading to an unprecedented economic catastrophe as well as the highest COVID death totals in Europe.
UnHerd says: “This may sound like splitting hairs — they are both under one percent after all — but in reality, the difference between these estimates changes everything. At the lower end, a much more laissez-faire policy becomes possible, and at 30,000 deaths it starts to look like the UK has already been through the worst of it; at the higher end, a policy of continued ultra-caution is necessary because a more relaxed approach could mean hundreds of thousands of additional deaths.”
Streeck also gave some insightful analysis on the differences in contagious ability of SARS1 and the new SARS-CoV2, as well as what factors might determine immunity, and what sort of ‘social distancing’ might be useful going forward.
Host Freddie Sayers talks with Professor Streeck about what his team learned from their recent study. Watch (video not posted here):
Leading German Virologist: "COVID-19 Less Deadly Than We Thought"
Also, comparing the Scandinavian countries against each other must take into account their total populations (Sweden's being the largest).
Cristo Rei
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I've watched that video, it's good.
Such discussions not being allowed to take place and videos are getting censored if they don't adhere to the Fauci/CNN doctrine
I sometimes visit Zero Hedge for giggles. Does anyone take the site seriously? The fellow who started it was banned from the securities industry for insider trading.
That's certainly very sad, but you're comparing it to the current COVID death rate with the lockdown in place. A more apt method would be to compare it to how many more would die from COVID if the lockdown weren't implemented.
That's how it came across.
Understood.
Agreed.
I've not heard about obtaining herd immunity intravenously. I've not really heard anything about eradicating COVID either. Like we've been discussing, the main point of the measures was to "flatten the curve".
I don't get my science from zerohedge.
The numbers I posted were deaths per million people.
No matter how bizarre one's beliefs/views are, there's almost always a website that'll support them.
Typical Leftist response. But you want people to take FAKE NEWS LEADER CNN seriously????
it was not Zero Hedge that did the review. Why did you fail to read the article? Zero Hedge posted what others have reviewed.
I didn't bother to read it. I saw "Zero Hedge" and moved on. I'm not interested in reading biased materials, invented by Zero Hedge or passed on by them. I don't watch CNN, by the way. I don't have cable; and even when I did, I didn't watch them. Too many "talking heads" with too many opinions.
There you go. You did not bother to read it because you prefer the fake scenarios of the Left Liberals, no matter how damaging they are to Trump and America. Have you also joined Bil Gates and the Leftist media in praising China and trashing Trump?
Here is what is happening through the Democrats and their lapdogs.
Ha, and you can make money at it, too! Roger Stone showed up on Coast to Coast the other night. I didn't listen to it all; but how droll to have him pushing his story on a show that discusses seems to specialize in conspiracy theories and the paranomal.
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