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APAK

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Why do people from the USA keep saying the UK is under a socialist government. I think you need to explain your interpretation of what you think it’s like here ....then perhaps I might just be able to understand. I was talking to my son about this the other day because it came up, his American friends thought the same because we have a national health service - and you think we take orders without any fuss, seriously.....sure we have in recent weeks, but the circumstances are different. .......I must be living in a different UK to the one that some of you think I live in !!!

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Socialism covers a wider political spectrum as compared with a Constitutional Republic as in the US. The US is actually unique today among other nations. The term Capitalism is really not a direct political term as it is really a lifestyle and philosophy of why and how you earn and exchange goods and services in an 'open' marketplace that thrives under a Const. Republic, and not necessarily under a form of socialism. The heartbeat of the US is for a fair and free commerce/trade, selling and buying.

I know that the term democratic or democracy connotes an equitable type of governance although is is really never a form of living and government where its power lays at the feet of the individual citizen.

I just pull up someones def of socialism..got lazy...
"Socialism describes any political or economic theory that says the community, rather than individuals, should own and manage property and natural resources."
I guess that is what I'm saying Rita..
and further..

The term “socialism” has been applied to very different economic and political systems throughout history, including utopianism, anarchism, Soviet communism and social democracy. These systems vary widely in structure, but they share an opposition to an unrestricted market economy, and the belief that public ownership of the means of production (and making money) will lead to better distribution of wealth and a more egalitarian society.

So this is why I say the UK, NZ, Oz Canada to a lesser degree are all socialist states by definition.....definitely, the European nations; and the CCP, Iran and N. Korea are all of the very extreme left edge of socialism. Although Iran might be a little more tolerance despite their rigid form of religion.

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Ok, but people do own and manage their own property in the UK, we do have social housing, universal medical care, but it’s there to help those who cannot afford it. We have private and public sectors in all areas.
So I don’t think you can say that we are a socialist country, we have ‘ some ‘ socialist tendencies, but not total, so we definitely are not extreme......Thanks for explaining what you meant, I will have to think about it a bit more xx
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Well this was sadly predictable....

Member of defiant Central church dies from coronavirus illness, but pastor says it's a lie

A 78-year-old man who attended a Central church that has bucked state stay-at-home restrictions has died from the illness tied to the novel coronavirus.

The Rev. Tony Spell, the church's pastor, did not return messages left Thursday about Orillion after the coroner released his death information following a public records request from The Advocate. Spell later in the day confirmed to television stations WAFB and WVLA that Orillion was a parishioner in good standing.

Spell also disputed that Orillion's death was due to the virus, despite the coroner's determination. "That is a lie," Spell told WAFB.​

What's really sad is this isn't likely to be the last person in his congregation to die from the virus.
 

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8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

So the above is where we are now. We've witnessed all of the above. We are living it. So what is the next step in the process timeline?
I can't accept that this is only the beginning of sorrow

Covid-19 is not the only plague that happened ww1 is not the first war that involves nations

A lot of it had already happened probably most of it if you look at history

Does this already happened?
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Yes
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Yes
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Yes
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Yes it happened already

But this.. This is the only prophesy that has not yet happened
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Because if it's still just the beginning of sorrow are you seriously kidding me? Do you know how many kiloyear have pass since christ has risen? How long will we still have to wait if it's just the beginning.... Yet a lot of people say it is near well it is indeed nigh since it was written but how near is near? God who is an immortal who live forever and ever i wouldn't need to wonder hundred thousands of years* is just a short time
 
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@Brakelite2 ...I believe those that have the real power and influence on this globe launched a 2020 power grab born from desperation for control. They are losing ground, every year, and now they are also beginning to expose themselves, who they are, and what are their plans for all people on this globe. They cannot stop now and they have nothing to lose.

Their major goal for this year is the unleashing of this virus to ignite a world wide pandemic of permanent job losses and for an extended contraction and economic decline and into an extended depression through their extended lockdowns, edicts and more propaganda from all governmental institutions and their programmed 'airhead' proxy authoritarian rulers.

For now it is to scoop up and consolidate global economic power. And later to use this gain to launch another catalyst or trigger, like a nuke war or a more infectious virus to again force folks to comply with all their demands in the name of security and safety. Now who does not want security and safety?....the next 5-20 years are crucial for them in their bid for a successful takeover of all functions on this globe. They would love to have 3/4 of mankind die...

I hope you and your family are happy and smiling everyday....all the best to you mate...Our God is great brother..

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@Brakelite2 ...I believe those that have the real power and influence on this globe launched a 2020 power grab born from desperation for control. They are losing ground, every year, and now they are also beginning to expose themselves, who they are, and what are their plans for all people on this globe. They cannot stop now and they have nothing to lose.

Their major goal for this year is the unleashing of this virus to ignite a world wide pandemic of permanent job losses and for an extended contraction and economic decline and into an extended depression through their extended lockdowns, edicts and more propaganda from all governmental institutions and their programmed 'airhead' proxy authoritarian rulers.

For now it is to scoop up and consolidate global economic power. And later to use this gain to launch another catalyst or trigger, like a nuke war or a more infectious virus to again force folks to comply with all their demands in the name of security and safety. Now who does not want security and safety?....the next 5-20 years are crucial for them in their bid for a successful takeover of all functions on this globe. They would love to have 3/4 of mankind die...

I hope you and your family are happy and smiling everyday....all the best to you mate...Our God is great brother..

APAK
Gday mate, howya doin. Yeah, been thinking about this and talking about with some friends and family for years, but particularly in the last month or two. I mean, we all would have had a general idea from prophecy and observation regarding what's coming, but who would have thought it would roll out like this? We are living in exciting times, and I would suggest that the 5-20 years you envision remaining could be contacted down to one or two. Yep, it's about power over international finance... But that isn't the objective. That is the means to the end. Which is why those powers that be later enforce the mark using financial restraints as the "motivator'.
I have always found it hugely significant that Revelation 13 it reads...
KJV Revelation 13
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

The second beast, which is s political power clearly motivated by religious ambition, is saying to the people, that they should make an image to the first beast. That first beast, also motivated by religious ambition (to rule globally) was a union of church and state, until it received it's mortal wound. And here's the second beast wanting the people to createa copy...a mirror image... Of that first union of church and state which had died... The second beast wants it brought back to life!!! And it succeeds. But who is this significant? Because it requires the approval of the people!! Not only does this mean this power is speaking from a position of democratic power, but the people must before hand be brought into a position where they would not just welcome such a revival of this beast, but would overwhelmingly support it by creating the environment in which such a beast could thrive.
This creation of the environment is what we are witnessing today. We are watching the unfolding of Revelation 13 before our eyes. The people of the world are being manipulated, conditioned, deceived, into a state of mind that eventually will welcome and even vote for Resurrection of that first beast to political and religious global Dominion. And yes, part of that conditioning is through suffering. Soon, we will witness miracles in support of that same scenario. We may not recognise their significance at first... We need to keep our eyes opened.

The gazillion dollar questions though of course remain a mystery for most. Who do those two beasts represent? Who are the two powers working together today behind the scenes to being global dominion to that first power which at one time had limited dominion but was taken away? The rise and fall of political and religious power in history, and am open and clear headed scrutiny of current events offers us clear clues if we are willing to cast off the lies and deceptions those two powers are feeding the world. And have been feeding the world for centuries. They have played a long game with great patience and skill. The devil has been at this for 6000 years and his game plan, though interrupted and prolonged at times, hasn't changed. And prophecy has been consistently God's witness to His overall sovereignty. He know what is happening and nothing has taken Him by surprise. We should be excited. Confident in Him and looking forward to Him winding up these events with His soon coming.
 

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I agree. The parable of the figtree is coming to pass before our eyes. 1948 Israel established, making the youngest of that generation 72. This generation shall not pass without the events you described happening.

I fear the vaccine may be the "mark".

I still read here alot, but don't post because I question the trinity. God is one, He tells us over and over in the old testament.

Blessings to all. Pray, be gratefull. Love our Father. Your family. Help others to find peace in these trying times.

Real eyes realize real lies.

Thank you for putting this where I feel comfortable posting.
Hi @Acolyte. The New Testament believer looks to the coming of the Lord ('till He come' 1 Cor. 11.26), while there may be the beginnings of partial - though not full - fullfiment of others Scriptures in the meantime; these are not particularly linked with the church.

The truth of Father, Son and Holy Spirit is well attested in the New Testament: end of Matthew 28; John's Gospel, esp. chapters 13 thru 17, Romans 8, John's First Epistle, etc.
 

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Yay....:(

Covid-19 news: US not involved in global WHO plan to tackle pandemic

World leaders launch covid-19 plan without US involvement

Global leaders are launching an initiative with the World Health Organization (WHO) to accelerate the development of coronavirus drugs, tests and vaccines and ensure equal access to all countries, but the US is not involved. European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen, French president Emmanuel Macron and German chancellor Angela Merkel were among leaders participating in a video conference to announce the plan. US president Donald Trump recently criticised the WHO’s handling of the pandemic and announced a withdrawal of US funding to the organisation.

The world needs these tools and needs them fast,” WHO director general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told the group. “We are facing a common threat which we can only defeat with a common approach,” he said.​
 

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Why did you post this in the non-Christian sub-forum? For non-Christians like me, this is kinda nuts. A one-world religion implemented by the Vatican because of a virus? Huh?

Doesn't sound like any of the Adventists I know.
 

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Models shift to predict dramatically more U.S. deaths as states relax social distancing

A key model of the coronavirus pandemic favored by the White House nearly doubled its prediction Monday for how many people will die from the virus in the U.S. by August – primarily because states are reopening too soon.

The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington’s School of Medicine is now projecting 134,000 coronavirus-related fatalities, up from a previous prediction of 72,000. Factoring in the scientists’ margin of error, the new prediction ranges from 95,000 to 243,000.

Dr. Christopher Murray, the director of IMHE, told reporters on a call Monday the primary reason for the increase is many states’ “premature relaxation of social distancing.”​

Short version....people are going to die because of politics.
 

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Why do people from the USA keep saying the UK is under a socialist government. I think you need to explain your interpretation of what you think it’s like here ....then perhaps I might just be able to understand. I was talking to my son about this the other day because it came up, his American friends thought the same because we have a national health service - and you think we take orders without any fuss, seriously.....sure we have in recent weeks, but the circumstances are different. .......I must be living in a different UK to the one that some of you think I live in !!!

Rita

I don't think the left actually knows what socialism is.
They call the Scandinavian countries socialist as well and the Scandinavians are always reminding them that their not socialists

How does socialism differ from capitalism
In a capitalist state everything is owned by private entities; banks, oil, pharma, etc
In a socialist state all the big money industries are owned by the state; banks, oil, pharma, etc

Right now England is under a conservative government and doesn't resemble a socialist state at all
Socialism was popular in eastern Europe during the cold war but never touched western Europe

So @Rita, I would say that anyone who claims that the UK is a socialist state is greatly mistaken
 
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