The myth of grace-only & easy-believism shattered forever

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Eternally Grateful

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there is no such thing as easy believing, Unless you want to use the term licentiousness. But they do not believe. They think because they said some sinners prayer they are saved and get a get out of jail free card which is forever. so now I can go eat drink and be merry and live however I desire.

As jude says, long ago they were marked out for condemnation. UNGODLY men who turn the grace of God to licentiousness. And if you look at a picture given of who they are. they are people who continually live in sin (not people who struggle with one or two) people whose life is seen and is completely full of living in sin,, And they do not care that they live in sin, and if you try to talk to them, they will call you a legalist

Now. true grace believers Who believe God has perfected forever those being sanctified. Who trusts that he who began a good work in each of his children WILL complete it.

This is not easy believism, the fact people fight against it and attack it so vishioushly just proves how hard this true grace gospel is to come to
 
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Yep but must be taken in context

Heb 10, when taken in context of the law. Shows that these sins, will never be forgiven, because the law can not grant forgiveness.

And it saddens me you think your sins are not willful. Sounds like like the jew who puffed his chest against the tax collector.

I see, you are saying that a Christian is Eternally Secure, and that they can fall into license and be it does not matter; yet if a Christian who is Eternally Secure, falls into legalism, then they are in danger of not being saved.

Strange how both legalism and license are both sin in the Bible, and God's power to too weak to make a Legalist Eternally Secure.

Of course, the outcome you imply is wrong! Hebrews 10:26-31 applies to ALL Christians. It would have sad that "If we fall back into Legalism, there remains no more sacrifice for sins..." but God said, "If we sin willfully, there remains no more sacrifice for sins"! The sin of the Antinomian is just as fatal as the sin of the Legalist.
 

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I see, you are saying that a Christian is Eternally Secure, and that they can fall into license and be it does not matter; yet if a Christian who is Eternally Secure, falls into legalism, then they are in danger of not being saved.

If you were truly saved by true repentance, You would never fall into either. You could not fall into legalism, because you understand your true guilt and just penalty because of that guilt. And you would never fall into a license because you underestand sin is sin is sin, and it is what made you guilty in the first place (which caused you to repent)

And no. I do not believe a true believer can fall into a license.

You are the people who keep accusing us of that.

Strange how both legalism and license are both sin in the Bible, and God's power to too weak to make a Legalist Eternally Secure.

Of course, the outcome you imply is wrong! Hebrews 10:26-31 applies to ALL Christians. It would have sad that "If we fall back into Legalism, there remains no more sacrifice for sins..." but God said, "If we sin willfully, there remains no more sacrifice for sins"! The sin of the Antinomian is just as fatal as the sin of the Legalist.

Who said Gods power is to weak to make a legalist eternally secure

paul, a pharisee of pharisees (a true legalist) was made eternally secure in Christ.

So why would you be professing in a faith no better than Saul, and why will you not become Paul?
 
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If you were truly saved by true repentance, You would never fall into either.

God spent vastly more inspiration warning Believers not to fall into License or Legalism than He ever talked about getting saved! If a "true believer" will not fall into either, why would we have Hebrews 10: 26-31; That makes no logical sense!

I can see how someone that looks at Scripture with such presumption would have to fight for sin and justify it, than admit that God has real warnings and conditions for final salvation.
 

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paul, a pharisee of pharisees (a true legalist) was made eternally secure in Christ.

So why would you be professing in a faith no better than Saul, and why will you not become Paul?

Paul was not made "Eternally Secure" anymore than he was made "Santa Claus." Both extrabiblical suggestions are not in the Bible.
 

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there is no such thing as easy believing, Unless you want to use the term licentiousness. But they do not believe. They think because they said some sinners prayer they are saved and get a get out of jail free card which is forever. so now I can go eat drink and be merry and live however I desire.

As jude says, long ago they were marked out for condemnation. UNGODLY men who turn the grace of God to licentiousness. And if you look at a picture given of who they are. they are people who continually live in sin (not people who struggle with one or two) people whose life is seen and is completely full of living in sin,, And they do not care that they live in sin, and if you try to talk to them, they will call you a legalist

Now. true grace believers Who believe God has perfected forever those being sanctified. Who trusts that he who began a good work in each of his children WILL complete it.

This is not easy believism, the fact people fight against it and attack it so vishioushly just proves how hard this true grace gospel is to come to

Now the above makes me laugh, because if I was to believe it, I would have to forget interactions with easy believist followers. They would say, coming to Christ is so easy, just believe Jesus and you are instantly saved, eternally with no chance of rejection. I would respond that truly if ones heart sees Jesus and His reality, then walking into faith is simple, like the thief on the cross.

I would then be told I was not saved, and an unbeliever because I believed you could lose what you once had.
So I get the impression, certain folk change their argument to suit their mood, rather than being honest and saying truly finding Christ is Gods work, not ours, some appear to come to faith quickly and others over a long period.

We also now have a 2 grace gospels, true grace and not true grace. So we also have a winner, the not true grace believer is an easy believer. But where is that dividing line, the point someone has truly seen Jesus and been changed? The walk to the end, endurance, staying true to the faith. God bless you
 

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God spent vastly more inspiration warning Believers not to fall into License or Legalism than He ever talked about getting saved! If a "true believer" will not fall into either, why would we have Hebrews 10: 26-31; That makes no logical sense!

I can see how someone that looks at Scripture with such presumption would have to fight for sin and justify it, than admit that God has real warnings and conditions for final salvation.
Actually God spent ery little time there

Most of the NT scriptures is fighting legalistic thinking

in fact, Hebrew is fighting legalistic thinking

Not a license..

Living by law is legalism, not licentiousness. Licentiousness is living n sin

John said a child born of god can not live in sin..

Why do you continue to dismiss Johns writings? ad make it appear that a child born of God can live in sin?
 

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Now the above makes me laugh, because if I was to believe it, I would have to forget interactions with easy believist followers. They would say, coming to Christ is so easy, just believe Jesus and you are instantly saved, eternally with no chance of rejection. I would respond that truly if ones heart sees Jesus and His reality, then walking into faith is simple, like the thief on the cross.

I would then be told I was not saved, and an unbeliever because I believed you could lose what you once had.
So I get the impression, certain folk change their argument to suit their mood, rather than being honest and saying truly finding Christ is Gods work, not ours, some appear to come to faith quickly and others over a long period.

We also now have a 2 grace gospels, true grace and not true grace. So we also have a winner, the not true grace believer is an easy believer. But where is that dividing line, the point someone has truly seen Jesus and been changed? The walk to the end, endurance, staying true to the faith. God bless you
Now the above makes me laugh (Is it ok to repeat terms they use or should we not do this? Just asking)

Because he claims TRUE grace believing is easy believing, (not the mere belief of James 2 or Jude) Yet it is so hard, he will not even give it a second thought

He shows us just how hard it is, which s why God calls it the narrow gate
 

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Paul never thought so. He knew that beginning the race was not finishing the race.
No

Paul knew from the beginning that he was given every spiritual blessing in heaven, That he was justified freely By Grace, Not according to how good he was (all good works) or how righteous he was through the law. He knew to be absent was to be present with the lord. And he longed for it with all his longing, He also knew his resurrection was secure. In all his writings against legalism, He taught how we are secure in christ.

He ran the race because when he got to heaven. he wanted to make sure he did all he could here on earth As all of us should

He did not run to earn his salvation. If he did, he contradicted himself. and should be rejected as an apostle Which means we prety much should reject the bible
 

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Actually God spent ery little time there

Most of the NT scriptures is fighting legalistic thinking

in fact, Hebrew is fighting legalistic thinking

Not a license..

Living by law is legalism, not licentiousness. Licentiousness is living n sin

John said a child born of god can not live in sin..

Why do you continue to dismiss Johns writings? ad make it appear that a child born of God can live in sin?

The Bible speaks more about license than it does legalism. I do dismiss John's writings, I believe them! I do not have to twist everything he writes to justify "Sinning christianity".
 

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No

He did not run to earn his salvation. If he did, he contradicted himself. and should be rejected as an apostle Which means we prety much should reject the bible

No one ever said that Paul ran to "earn his salvation," he ran as to not be "disqualified."
 
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The Bible speaks more about license than it does legalism.

If you want to believe that, That is on you. I do not see this

I do dismiss John's writings, I believe them! I do not have to twist everything he writes to justify "Sinning christianity".

I am not justifying sinning, John said they can not live in sin, That is not justifying sin, That is making a direct statment that a child of God can not live in a way you are claiming they can.

Your argument is with John not me.
 

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No

In all his writings against legalism, He taught how we are secure in christ.

the Bible teaches security in Christ; it does not teach OSAS or Eternal Security. One is in Scripture, and the other is a fictional fabrication and false doctrine.
 
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Now the above makes me laugh (Is it ok to repeat terms they use or should we not do this? Just asking)

Because he claims TRUE grace believing is easy believing, (not the mere belief of James 2 or Jude) Yet it is so hard, he will not even give it a second thought

He shows us just how hard it is, which s why God calls it the narrow gate

It is an attempt at a response, for which I have to congratulate you, except it does not make sense.
You mentioned that coming to faith is difficult, and by implication easy believists are not true grace believers.
Now you suggest I am saying true grace believers are easy believing. So I am confused at your descriptions, but maybe you just are not that good at examples. I have known people to deny obvious meaning in their words, but it could have been a mistake.

If I am missing the narrow gate, please tell me how?
You seem to want to put others right, rather than showing the way and calling others to follow Jesus. Amen, and praise the Lord, He leads us to victory in Him.
 

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the Bible teaches security in Christ; it does not teach OSAS or Eternal Security. One is in Scripture, and the other is a fictional fabrication and false doctrine.
wadr you are seeking life, more abundantly now, and those who seek Death, More Abundantly are never, not ever, going to agree or i guess even be able to read any relevant vv you forward. I mean do your best lol, but don't ever expect any admissions by believers in your wake imo
 

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the Bible teaches security in Christ; it does not teach OSAS or Eternal Security. One is in Scripture, and the other is a fictional fabrication and false doctrine.
The bible teaches eternal life. It teaches we are sealed in Christ. It teaches that those who are born again are his children and will never be lost

It does not teach the works based gospel you are trying to teach

we will have to agree to disagree
 

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yet "eternal" is still derived from "aion" which is defined as "a space of time, an age," and the only judgement for ppl that we can find is the one for works, For all must come before the judgement seat of Christ to be judged for their works done while in the body, whether for good or for evil

and obviously the "believers" explanation for that amounts to a negation, and Yah respecting persons