Grace is NOT unmerited favor!
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Nothing of the man of Adam survives. That which is born of God, that person we've resurrected into, is a brand new creature, who didn't exist before. The original creature is still there walking the earth, but this new creature, God's spirit child, controls that original creature as we are trusting in God to live His life in us. What I've learned, I think, is that this will be to each of us according to our faith.
And that is the heart of my message to every child of God. The walk overcoming all things is equally available to all who believe, trusting God being the only thing we need to do, and then rejoice in our lives as God guides us moment by moment.
But the body with it's corruptions remains until our transformation or resurrection, when we are gathered to Jesus.
This is the source of sin in our lives of whatever sort, whether what we might think of as minor, or deadly, no sin finds it's source in the Spirit of Christ. Did Jesus commit sins not unto death? Or was He completely sinless? Did He come to give us power to overcome lots of sins, but not all sin? Or are we completely dead to sin?
That which is born of God sins not. It doesn't say, only sins a little. Sins not. Whatever our soteriology, this is what the passage very plainly says. They like to use John's writings for learning Koine Greek since he wrote with very simple and plain language.
We put on our new man, created in God's pattern, righteous and truly holy. Not, mostly righteous, the new man is completely righteous, completely holy.
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Even what we can do with the new nature is not capable of earning salvation for us.
We actually acquire the new nature when we receive Christ by faith (Galatians 3:14).
Good works don't play any role in our salvation except that they are the result of real salvation.
I, for one, do not choose to use words that would miscommunicate and thereby cause a language divide. I abide by the form of sound words (2 Timothy 1:13 (kjv)) so that there is no miscommunication that would create a divide such as that. So then, if you decide that you want to communicate properly in such as fashion as to not miscommunicate, I think that there will be no miscommunication.
They can...but whatever good they do is tainted by selfishness and pride.
Isa 64:6, But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
The believer, on the other hand, has a righteousness that is fine linen, clean and white.
Rev 19:8, And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
What happens is that the Holy Spirit quickens the man so that he is able to make a decision for Christ. This is not becoming born again, but it is being partially woken up so that the person has a decision to make; either to rise out of sleep completely or to go back to sleep. And I am referring to sleep here as spiritual death.
No one can come to Christ except the heavenly Father draws him (John 6:44, John 6:65).
Hi @mjrhealth,
This scripture does not mean that we ought to stop searching the scriptures once we come to Christ. In fact, I think that it teaches quite the opposite; for we must continue to come to Christ even after we have been saved for the first time.
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@Randy Kluth,
I would say to you that salvation has nothing to do with works, except that works are the result of being truly born again.
But they have nothing to do with the thing that actually saves us; which is faith alone in Jesus Christ alone.
I would say to you that salvation has nothing to do with works, except that works are the result of being truly born again.
But they have nothing to do with the thing that actually saves us; which is faith alone in Jesus Christ alone.
Nancy
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For sure, he removed our sins once for all, never to be remembered again:
"For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more." Hebrews 8:12
"As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us."
Psalms 103:12
"Just like Christ didn't commit any sins, we now have the power to not commit present and future sins of lawlessness."
This is an area that is blurry to me. I suppose a study on transgressions, sin, lawlessness,
trespasses etc. would be in order...
"The "works" done are not through any old carnal nature we had to try to earn salvation, but is a natural result of the divine nature 2 Peter 1:2-4. That is why James could use works as proof of true faith."
Works yes, i do believe there are certain works that should be a given for all Christians, Love God, love neighbor. For myself, their fruits are what I look at and, over time one can tell if the fruit is rotten or not.
You and I agree on many things CL yet, there is that one area about being sinless that is an obstacle of sorts for me but, I'm not closed to learning
You have still all missed the point, Christ isnt Hiding He is there for anyone who is wiling to open that door an let Him in, but no one seems to want Him in side. You dont have to come to Him when He is always with you, you just have to know that He is there. You dont need the bible to find Christ as I said He is hiding from no one.
Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
You mean the bible, you really should seek Christ He is not who you presume He is from all your studying. Is teh bible your God, it seems to be the God of christians.
Let me refresh your memory on my teaching on sin. (Take it, or leave it) I have thought a great deal about this and remember that night I was born again and what an instantaneous change in my desires occurred. Yet I was far from perfect. Sinlessness, and perfection are not the same thing, but both are attainable. Sinlessness is easiest.
First, 1 John 5:16-17 shows us there are two types of sins.
= Sins unto death.
= Sins not unto death.
I think the Catholic Church has it right in deeming these as mortal sins, and venial sins.
Sins unto death
1 John 3 is about "mortal" sins unto death called lawlessness. These are intentional with our full knowledge that these are against God's laws. I was in church for 30 years before I was filled with God's Spirit, and during that those 30 years I did commit mortal sins. I wasn't saved. But after that I didn't knowingly commit those rebellious sins of lawlessness. I couldn't. It was no longer in my nature.
Therefore:
Sins of lawlessness: zero (subtotal)
Second, sins not unto death.
The Old Testament is recorded to show us the nature of God and His ways. He allowed sacrifice for unintentional sins that Catholics would call venial sins. The Bible calls them trespasses. Leviticus 5:15. When Jesus taught the disciples to pray, the only type of "sin" to ask forgiveness for were trespasses. I expect because He would be giving us His power to keep us from committing mortal sins. After the Lord's Prayer in Matthew, the next verse is how we can be sinless in that area of our lives too. Forgive, forgive, forgive, forgive, forgive ad infinitum.
Matthew 6:14-15
14 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Also, going to bed with a clear conscience. Philippians 3:16 shows us that as we grow in the Lord, we are only accountable for the knowledge we have thus far. But we are expected to keep growing. 1 John 3:21-24 shows us that if your conscience is clear (and you've forgiven those who have trespassed against you) you have assurance of your salvation.
Therefore:
We have forgiven others their trespasses. Our trespasses: zero (subtotal)
Sins we still have no knowledge of: zero (subtotal)
Total: zero
PERFECTION:
2 Peter 1:5-7, 10-11
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love.
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Rom 10:13, For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14, How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15, And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:16, But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17, So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Therefore, it appears that you believe that you are not a Christian, since the Bible is not your God and you believe that the Bible is the God of Christians.
How is it then that you identify yourself as a Christian in your profile?
So your are saying the bible is your God, Christianity is about Christ, didnt you notice, it is not called biblianity, or is it.
I am the way the truth and the life says teh Lord, be who are we to find life in Him
But you will not come to me so you can have life, and they still dont.
Anthony D'Arienzo
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Here is why false teaching is dangerous;
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Unsaved men do not delight or serve the law of God.
Do you see the last words? The law of sin. Well 2 verses further Paul says the SPIRIT frees me from the law of sin. You really need to read in context, and in this case the context is further than the end of the chapter.
That is not to say that some still are slaves to their flesh. They are without Christ.
Anthony D'Arienzo
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You are ignoring the word of God.
you have no idea what you are posting about.
You do not understand the term the law of sin.
It is looking as if you are not interested in truth.
Your unwillingness to answer the link provided leaves you in the realm of error.
Answer the link.
Brakelite
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Yet if you would dare suggest that saved men do delight in and serve the law of God, you would be cast out as a legalist.
You are now just muttering anything and everything. Just like the accuser of the brethren. Jesus frees us from sin - there is no getting around that. But there are others who want to justify their sin because their false teachers say we will always sin until the resurrection - a doctrine of demons to keep you sinning to your dying breath and be damned. Study chapter 8 and also 2 Corinthians 3:7-11.
Anthony D'Arienzo
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There is so much error being taught; Psalm 1 ;
Psalm 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.
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