USA riots

[RainAndIceCream]

It's obvious, but the other three haven't been charged with anything yet, not as far as I know.

There's actually a fourth in my view that should be charged. That is the officer that came over and checked Mr.Lloyd's pulse when Mr.Lloyd was unconscious, and then walked away leaving the offending officer there to continue pressing his knee into Mr.Lloyd's neck.
The investigation is ongoing. The three other officers that were fired shouldn't rest easy thinking they're out of the woods. One of those offenders has a case file showing, if I recall correctly, five offenses against civilians. The officer that is charged with 3rd degree murder had at least twice as many offenses in his jacket. And he was still active duty on the force.

 

[Brakelite]

And do you think the society today that has drunk the poison that a godless state is preferable is better off?

Peace!

A small study of the history of church state union in the early to late middle ages in Europe would be hard pressed to find anything positive about that relationship. And it matters not whether the church rules the state, or the state, the church. Any union, agreement, Treaty etc between the body of Christ and the secular power is spiritual adultery. That goes for both Protestant ( as currently being exercised in the US with the relationship between the White House and the church) and Catholicism, which from it's inception in the 4th century saw the state powers of Europe as her prime weapon against heretics and for the establishment of papal dominion.

 

[Taken]

Tying him up would have been better. I don't think killing him was their only option. They could also have waited for him to calm down. If somone has a gun or is posing a threat to the lives of other people, the police are justified in using lethal force for someone resisting arrest.

They "maybe" could have tied him, don't know the State Law in MN.

I don't think "killing" him was their "intent".
However RESISTING and being Uncooperative was the man's choice.

Either people want Law and Order or they don't.

Police Justification is determined by the individual Sovereign States Lesislature.

If you want to live in a State whereby the Police attempting to detain or arrest a person and the person is uncooperative and the Police are to simply say "oh well" and not subdue the person...that's your choice.

 

[RainAndIceCream]

He was uncooperative in entering and sitting in the police Vehicle, so that the Offericers could not safely shit the doors to the vehicle.

Hog-tying is restraining an uncooperative person's hands and feet in a knee bent position and "laying" them in a vehicle for transport.

The technique of control is referred to as, hobbling a suspect. There is no evidence Mr.Floyd resisted arrest.

 

[John Caldwell]

I wonder why the riots.

We have had going on 4 nights if protests but thus far no riots, no injuries, no distruction of property, ect.

 

[Taken]

The technique of control is referred to as, hobbling a suspect. There is no evidence Mr.Floyd resisted arrest.

The man refused to enter the police car after being repeatedly to do so.

What should have the Officers done? UN-cuff him and let him walk away?

 

[RainAndIceCream]

I wonder why the riots.

We have had going on 4 nights if protests but thus far no riots, no injuries, no distruction of property, ect.

The riots are the result of goading by ANTIFA members, and BLM. All funded by George Soros.
Follow the money. Video

Rep. Ilhan Omar's daughter, and Hope Walz, the daughter of Minnesota's Governor, have been found to have given intelligence information to the rioters in their respective cities.
Did the daughter of Minnesota Governor and the daughter of Ilhan Omar (Congresswoman for Minnesota) tweet information to rioters?
Posted on June 1, 2020

 

[RainAndIceCream]

The man refused to enter the police car after being repeatedly to do so.

What should have the Officers done? UN-cuff him and let him walk away?

As I stated, there is no evidence Mr.Floyd resisted arrest.


*edited typo

 

[Taken]

As I stated, there is no evidence Mr.Lloyd resisted arrest.

I didn't ask about resisting ARREST.
Do you think there is evidence of him being uncooperative in getting into the police car?

 

[RainAndIceCream]

I didn't ask about resisting ARREST.
Do you think there is evidence of him being uncooperative in getting into the police car?

You made statements about Mr.Floyd resisting arrest when you went on about his refusing to sit in the police car after being handcuffed.
There is no evidence of that either.
A nearby restaurant security camera captured the encounter between Mr.Floyd and police. No evidence there that he resisted being put into the police car.
Surveillance video does not support police claims that George Floyd resisted arrest - CNN

 

[Philip James]

Any union, agreement, Treaty etc between the body of Christ and the secular power is spiritual adultery

I see, so any leader who is willing to submit himself to Christ and His Church is thus suspect and must be thrown out for some godless man...

Brilliant...

 

[John Caldwell]

As I stated, there is no evidence Mr.Lloyd resisted arrest.

I wouldn't say there is no evidence Mr Floyd resisted arrest (in the original video the bystandards emphasized he was no longer resisting, the person who said he had some training and told the officer he was cutting off Mr Floyds breathing indicated the same, the officers had tried to put him in the car, and the officers uniform indicates some type of struggle).

But he was at least no longer resisting. It was murder. They had control and responsibility.

 

[RainAndIceCream]

I wouldn't say there is no evidence Mr Floyd resisted arrest (in the original video the bystandards emphasized he was no longer resisting, the person who said he had some training and told the officer he was cutting off Mr Floyds breathing indicated the same, the officers had tried to put him in the car, and the officers uniform indicates some type of struggle).

But he was at least no longer resisting. It was murder. They had control and responsibility.

The video I posted is well worth the time to watch .

 

[justbyfaith]

These protests have been largely unnecessary. The fact that George Floyd's death has been broadcast is enough to bring change.

What people should be protesting, whether they are black, white, Mexican, American Indian, or otherwise, is the prejudice of their own hearts.

 

[justbyfaith]

I wonder why the riots.

We have had going on 4 nights if protests but thus far no riots, no injuries, no distruction of property, ect.

The looting has actually started with destruction of property.

 

[Cristo Rei]

The cops involved in the killing of Lloyd are criminals and belong in jail.
The people who are burning things are criminals and belong in jail.
The people who are looting are criminals and belong in jail.
The people who are destroying things are criminals and belong in jail.
The people who are rioting are criminals and belong in jail.
Even the people who continue to protest despite the riots are criminals and belong in jail.

It's as simple as that.
Those cops have been charged so any protest/riot is not being done for justice but to to cause havoc

 

[Brakelite]

I see, so any leader who is willing to submit himself to Christ and His Church is thus suspect and must be thrown out for some godless man...

Brilliant...

I considered you to be a fair and just debater. One who steps away from the belligerence and silliness that so often is associated with your more zealous friends in the church... But the above comment gives me cause to reconsider. At least with regards the silly part.

 

[Brakelite]

The cops involved in the killing of Lloyd are criminals and belong in jail.
The people who are burning things are criminals and belong in jail.
The people who are looting are criminals and belong in jail.
The people who are destroying things are criminals and belong in jail.
The people who are rioting are criminals and belong in jail.
Even the people who continue to protest despite the riots are criminals and belong in jail.

It's as simple as that.
Those cops have been charged so any protest/riot is not being done for justice but to to cause havoc

I tend to agree. To the extent that I now strongly suspect that the violence and the extreme behaviors we are witnessing were in fact organised prior to the death of Floyd. I have seen videos of pallets of bricks delivered to the front of buildings for mobs to help themselves to. Who organised that? That speaks of premeditation and a deliberate attempt to create mayhem. Perhaps that death was deliberate even in order to incite the rioting.

 

[RainAndIceCream]

President Trump is considering invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807, if states officials can't restore order.

 

[RainAndIceCream]

EPIC! Polk County Sheriff Warns Rioters: 'If You Try to Break Into People's Homes, I'm Highly Recommending They Blow you Out of the House with Their Guns' (VIDEO)

I'd have thought a sheriff in Texas would have made this kind of news, not Florida. Given the terrorism that's occurring in many areas I can't say I blame him for warning those people inclined to evil behavior.