WOULD YOU LIKE TO JOIN A NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH?

[marksman]

This thread seems to have gone down many rabbit holes and been moved to another focus that the starting OP.
I think 'they' done hijacked your thread

Could you do me a favour and block Bread of Life. He has invaded this thread and made it almost impossible for us to have a sensible discussion and is intent on pushing the catholic bandwagon which is not what is intended. He is virtually saying that we don't have the right to hold the views we do.

 

[Fred Eans]

Let me add something concerning the big red letters about killing babies. When Mary approached her cousin Elizabeth, having the fetus of Jesus, Elizabeth made a comment as if she knew all about the visit Mary had by the Holy Spirit. And then, her six month fetus, John the Baptist, recognized that God was near, and kicked up a storm. This is basically what happens to all mothers. Upon conception, God lovingly places the soul into that entity. So it is more than killing a baby, it is killing that souls chance to learn about God and Satan, and choose between them. That is the only priority reason that we are in the flesh. God created all of us millions of years ago and there are billions of us. All flesh had to be born from above for this reason.

 

[marksman]

Wow, you think the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is Father Son and Holy Ghost.

The Apostles always and only used the name of Jesus Christ at water baptism, with never even alluding to Father or Holy Ghost.

I bet you don't even know what the name of the Son is, since you baptize in the word "Son" instead of using His name.

Probably because you have no proper name and everyone called you "son"?

Could you do me a favour and block Bread of Life. He has invaded this thread and made it almost impossible for us to have a sensible discussion and is intent on pushing the catholic bandwagon which is not what is intended. He is virtually saying that we don't have the right to hold the views we do.

 

[Enoch111]

Could you do me a favour and block Bread of Life.

You can report him to the mods if you wish. I generally ignore his rants.

 

[Truther]

Said the person who just got zinged again for hypocrisy . . .

How so?

 

[Truther]

Yup - they should have known that Christ only built ONE Church - not their tens of thousands of sects - or yours . . .

Right, there is only 1 true church, which is found in the book of Acts.

Every one other than that is false.

We must duplicate the Acts church to know we are in it, so quit binding and loosing new RCC doctrines into the abyss.

 

[Truther]

You can report him to the mods if you wish. I generally ignore his rants.

He is actually alot of fun to chat with. Keep him around.

 

[Truther]

Could you do me a favour and block Bread of Life. He has invaded this thread and made it almost impossible for us to have a sensible discussion and is intent on pushing the catholic bandwagon which is not what is intended. He is virtually saying that we don't have the right to hold the views we do.

I like him, I just ignore his insults. He is a blast to chat with. I have sooo much ammo to use on him it's pathetic.

 

[Heart2Soul]

This Thread is Closed and under review!

 

[mjrhealth]

Could you do me a favour and block Bread of Life. He has invaded this thread and made it almost impossible for us to have a sensible discussion and is intent on pushing the catholic bandwagon which is not what is intended. He is virtually saying that we don't have the right to hold the views we do.

Something about resist someone and he will flee, I noticed it doesnt always work. His time will come, I am Jesus that you persecute...

 

[Pearl]

Could you do me a favour and block Bread of Life. He has invaded this thread and made it almost impossible for us to have a sensible discussion and is intent on pushing the catholic bandwagon which is not what is intended. He is virtually saying that we don't have the right to hold the views we do.

I've already put him on ignore ages ago.

 

[marksman]

Ummmmmm, then, how do you explain tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that ALL teach different doctrines yet ALL claim that they got to this confusion by simply "obeying" Scripture?

WHICH one of them is correct?
The one YOU agree with?

 

[marksman]

The NTC was confronted with new worlds in their zeal to evangelise. Most of them had not travelled outside of their home town prior to Pentecost but the coming of the Holy Spirit changed all that. The first 70 years of the NTC saw them evangelising places like Rome itself, Alexandria, and Antioch the three greatest cities in the Roman Empire, plus many other places such as Asia Minor, Greece and Egypt.

Their message was simple and straightforward. Jesus who was crucified and buried and rose from the dead is the Messiah and forgiver of sins. Repent and believe for the forgiveness of your sins and be baptised in the name of Jesus. No songs or hymns. No praying or prophesying over the new converts. Just a simple do you repent? Yes. I baptise you in the name of Jesus. The message did not change as they were messengers of the Risen Christ, not some denomination or religious body.

So what were they being converted to? Very simple. That Jesus was the messiah and the belief that he was the son of God and their sole aim was to represent him on earth as best as they knew how.

One of the major purposes of Acts was to show the Holy Spirit at work guiding and strengthening the NTC. Without him in control, the NTC would have got nowhere as the miraculous was instrumental in bringing many to faith in God and still would today if we were not so frightened of being involved in it.

And even back then in its early stages, the NTC had to cope with problems from outside and inside the church. From outside was pagan and public hostility and from inside were heresies and people struggling for position and power. So you might say what's new?

 

[marksman]

Despite these early problems that they encountered, they still grew and grew and grew. In fact, one could say that due to their dedication and determination we are here today, doing what we are doing and being what we are being. Like every start-up, the end is usually different from the beginning which is sad in reality as the fire has gone out of the church in many areas of society. We are more into form and religion rather than relationship and renewal. But I guess God has it all in hand and he is going to achieve what he wants to achieve at the time of his choosing. For myself, I wish that if I am here at the end time that I will be in the thick of it all and putting the royal boot into Satan in a big way.

I digress.

If we care to study the subject we see that the NTC was there to bring life and healing to the people they ministered to. Medical help was very basic in those days and for some of the illnesses and physical problems, there was no known cure. If you had it you were stuck with it for the rest of your life. Along came the NTC that and suddenly, it was no longer the case. The laying on of hands, the prayer of faith, and medical problems no longer existed. The disciples became the new doctors of society, not through any knowledge or skills they had but through the power of the risen Christ.

I have no doubt that like today, not everyone got healed but we know that a lot did get healed that had no hope of healing through prayer and faith. I know from my own experience that when you pray in faith and someone is made whole it is very exciting to see God's healing power at work. You might say success breeds success and I am quite sure in those days, healing by the power of God made the disciples hungry for more and more healing.

They were the people that became the ambassadors for Christ so it was logical that what they had seen him do they would do as well. They represented him in all matters of the kingdom and as his kingdom included healing, it was only (super)natural that they should do the same. To not do the same meant that they were failing in their representation of him. How could they say we represent the Kingdom of God but we don't do miracles of healing? Not logical.

So that begs the question "Do we represent the kingdom of God" and if we do why not the healings?

 

[Brakelite]

Despite these early problems that they encountered, they still grew and grew and grew. In fact, one could say that due to their dedication and determination we are here today, doing what we are doing and being what we are being. Like every start-up, the end is usually different from the beginning which is sad in reality as the fire has gone out of the church in many areas of society. We are more into form and religion rather than relationship and renewal. But I guess God has it all in hand and he is going to achieve what he wants to achieve at the time of his choosing. For myself, I wish that if I am here at the end time that I will be in the thick of it all and putting the royal boot into Satan in a big way.

I digress.

If we care to study the subject we see that the NTC was there to bring life and healing to the people they ministered to. Medical help was very basic in those days and for some of the illnesses and physical problems, there was no known cure. If you had it you were stuck with it for the rest of your life. Along came the NTC that and suddenly, it was no longer the case. The laying on of hands, the prayer of faith, and medical problems no longer existed. The disciples became the new doctors of society, not through any knowledge or skills they had but through the power of the risen Christ.

I have no doubt that like today, not everyone got healed but we know that a lot did get healed that had no hope of healing through prayer and faith. I know from my own experience that when you pray in faith and someone is made whole it is very exciting to see God's healing power at work. You might say success breeds success and I am quite sure in those days, healing by the power of God made the disciples hungry for more and more healing.

They were the people that became the ambassadors for Christ so it was logical that what they had seen him do they would do as well. They represented him in all matters of the kingdom and as his kingdom included healing, it was only (super)natural that they should do the same. To not do the same meant that they were failing in their representation of him. How could they say we represent the Kingdom of God but we don't do miracles of healing? Not logical.

So that begs the question "Do we represent the kingdom of God" and if we do why not the healings?

Might I suggest that a lot of the medical problems if those days were very different from today. Today, lifestyle issues would be more of a problem I think.

 

[marksman]

Might I suggest that a lot of the medical problems if those days were very different from today. Today, lifestyle issues would be more of a problem I think.

Of course, you can suggest it as it is true from the point of view that medical science is always evolving and what was a problem one-day is no longer a problem the next day such as the eradication of certain diseases.

 

[Brakelite]

Of course, you can suggest it as it is true from the point of view that medical science is always evolving and what was a problem one-day is no longer a problem the next day such as the eradication of certain diseases.

Could it be that the eradication of many diseases is the result of education and learning regarding actual lifestyle changes, not necessarily medicine?
In which case for someone seeking prayer for example for something like diabetes, should we expect instant miraculous healing without a commitment to this lifestyle changes necessary to retain good health?

 

[Bobby Jo]

... I'll go with Christ . . .

Actually very few Christians go with Christ. Most go with their religious doctrines, -- and you more than most.

Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

Bobby Jo said: ↑

Some people want to walk in their own shoes, and so I let them.​

Bobby Jo

You let them.....The Church doesn’t: Matthew 18:17

Luke 9:49 John answered, “Master, we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him, because he does not follow with us.” 50 But Jesus said to him, “Do not forbid him; for he that is not against you is for you.”​

Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

Could you do me a favour and block Bread of Life. He has invaded this thread and made it almost impossible for us to have a sensible discussion and is intent on pushing the catholic bandwagon which is not what is intended. He is virtually saying that we don't have the right to hold the views we do.

One Post with @x; @y; @z; etc. could have been enough.

Bobby Jo