farouk
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@Mayflower Yes, indeed; this is my understanding also; Ephesians is a glorious Epistle around themes such as grace, especially.Grace is unmerited favor.
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@Mayflower Yes, indeed; this is my understanding also; Ephesians is a glorious Epistle around themes such as grace, especially.Grace is unmerited favor.
I would only say that those who are of the world will pick up on your teaching and hold to it; while those who know the Lord will reject your teaching for the truth.
See 1 John 4:4-6.
For those who know the Lord and are taught to abide in Him through the anointing that is given to them (see 1 John 2:27) will understand that abiding in Him means that we do not commit sin (1 John 3:6); and that we are indeed able to abide consistently for ever (1 John 2:17).
@Mayflower Yes, indeed; this is my understanding also; Ephesians is a glorious Epistle around themes such as grace, especially.
@Helen There is both Divine sovereignty and human responsibility. John 6 bears this out very clearly.The thing is , that makes it sound totally passive. Someone could give you a gift of a coat...and you could just hang it in the closest . It's yours to do what you like with it.
Why would Paul say "Receive NOT the grace of out Lord Jesus Christ in VAIN." If grace is just to be "hung in the closet".
Grace is - God ability IN YOU , to do what you ( yourself) cannot do, and the refection in the life .
Grace is the gift of Himself and His power in us, so that we reflect Him in our life to the world.
Not just Unmerited favour, but MUCH MORE!
@Helen There is both Divine sovereignty and human responsibility. John 6 bears this out very clearly.
@Helen What I would say is that it definitely is unmerited favour by definition (Ephesians 2.8-9), but it does not stop there; it leads to Ephesians 2.10: 'we are His workmanship', etc.Yes, Grace has accountability. If not , then we end up just like the man who buried his talent away , then just gave to the Master when he returned to check what they had done with what He had given then .
The Master commended the man who had doubled his gift, and threw out the man who had "just kept his safe and unused".
Grace is not just 'unmerited favour.'
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It is written in the law that we must wear tzitzit and tallit (tassels on your garments) and tefilin (phylacteries on your arms and head).
Is someone who fails to do this committing a mortal sin?
Is a man eternally condemned except he become an orthodox Jew?
I have already read them; I don't need to read them again. If I disagreed then I disagreed. If I agreed then I agreed. Reading them again is not going to change my pov.
you don't have to have grace to have power. power in the world is anything but grace.
how power in this case was administered "by grace or through grace" but one doesn't define the other. the Lord God used power to bring the Pharaoh to his knees or wipe out all flesh on the face of the earth. neither had anything to do with grace.
and the power demonstrated was God's association to said apostles showing the message to be true. like Jesus said:
Joh_10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
Joh_10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
also what you're reading is a translation into British English relating to the sensibilities and use of language in England in the 1600's or thereafter.
so you are incorrect in your thinking by a mile or so. what's with the parallelism jive anyway, two things are mentioned in a sentence and its now the same thing, really?
See Matthew 5:17-20; James 2:10, Galatians 3:10, Matthew 5:48.No, but the last 6 commandments are mortal laws.
See Matthew 5:17-20; James 2:10, Galatians 3:10, Matthew 5:48.
You might want to give that some serious thought. Does any human being MERIT or DESERVE the grace of God? As the book of Job says even the heavens are not clean in His sight. And there is none righteous, NO NOT ONE.Grace is not just 'unmerited favour.'
What I am trying to say to you is that if you are attempting to earn your salvation through works / law-keeping / abstaining from sin; then all of the Old Testament applies as a definer of sins (as well as certain moral tenets of the New Testament).Then don't do either. Whatever you believe is sin, is sin. Romans 14
Of course, the gift of salvation is indeed the gift of righteousness (Romans 5:17).You might want to give that some serious thought. Does any human being MERIT or DESERVE the grace of God? As the book of Job says even the heavens are not clean in His sight. And there is none righteous, NO NOT ONE.
If grace was not unmerited favor, then each one of us should have earned our salvation somehow. But since God offers eternal life as A FREE GIFT it follows that no one could possibly earn the gift of eternal life. Which then means that grace is indeed unmerited, unearned, and undeserved. And that is why it is called AMAZING GRACE.
What I am trying to say to you is that if you are attempting to earn your salvation through works / law-keeping / abstaining from sin; then all of the Old Testament applies as a definer of sins (as well as certain moral tenets of the New Testament).
But if you understand that you are not under the law but under grace, you are called to be obedient only to the spirit of the law; and are no longer bound by the letter.
Actually, we are able to obey the spirit of the law (1 John 3:9); while the letter is impossible to keep (Galatians 3:22, Galatians 6:13).You already know that I know that, so why bring it up? You do know that the law of Liberty is tougher than the Law of Moses don't you? But the Spirit makes it actually easier.
Actually, we are able to obey the spirit of the law (1 John 3:9); while the letter is impossible to keep (Galatians 3:22, Galatians 6:13).
For the letter includes the wearing of tzitzit and tallit and tefilin; a man would have to become an orthodox jew in order to be saved; something which Paul and Barnabas vehemently opposed in Acts of the Apostles 15.
Yet not even Jesus kept the letter of the sabbath day laws (Exodus 20:10; John 5:17-18); which are found within the context of the Ten Commandments.I agree about the tzitzit, etc. But through the Spirit, we are able to keep the Ten Commandments, which is the Law spoken of in Romans 7.
Yet not even Jesus kept the letter of the sabbath day laws (Exodus 20:10; John 5:17-18); which are found within the context of the Ten Commandments.
Yet not even Jesus kept the letter of the sabbath day laws (Exodus 20:10; John 5:17-18); which are found within the context of the Ten Commandments.