Blind following the blind it seems. Would you have me turn my back on God just to appease your flesh and your"wisdom".
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I am asking you for more than seek God is ignore scripture. That is just a destructive message. Now this maybe your revelation in its entirety, which explains its source, though you will feel it is the most important thing to say.
I feel sorrow for you, God bless you
You sound like a muslim.
You are right about translation versions, there are many. Language is complex and different languages have different meaning to words, some summaries, others more detailed. So Greek has 4 main words for love but in English we use 1.
This means different translaters like one emphasis over another. God's word is so vast this adds to its wonder rather than takes away. God is faithful.
Sorrow, for knowing God, really, has the bible hardened your heart so much to the hone who is your life. All you have to do is put your bible down, leave your religion, open,m your mouth and speak to Him, But are you willing to give all that away to know God. As you can see very few are, that is why God always had a remnant.
Mar_7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Joh 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
Joh 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Joh 6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Why do you deny His call
My Sheep hear my voice, will you ever start listening.
I am not sorrowful for any man, we all have a choice, and so called christians are without excuse.
You are a strange believer who denies scripture as authoritative yet quotes it like it supports your position.
To you what ever scripture says is irrelevant. You cannot saw off the branch you are standing on and think it still supports you.
It is why you fascinate me. As far as going to Christ, I lay all before Him every day, when I rise and when I go to bed and in between time.
But you have no definition, so how can you continue to quote scripture. Let me put what you are saying in logical context
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Sorrow, for knowing God, really, has the bible hardened your heart so much to the hone who is your life. All you have to do is put your bible down, leave your religion, open,m your mouth and speak to Him, But are you willing to give all that away to know God. As you can see very few are, that is why God always had a remnant.
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Why do you deny His call
My Sheep hear my voice, will you ever start listening.
I am not sorrowful for any man, we all have a choice, and so called christians are without excuse.
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So there is no call in your quote, only scripture which you says has no authority. So I simply ask you again, where is your revelation that is saying anything? It must be because scripture is your context and reference point, but in you argument you see people denying realities that scripture speaks to. It is true Jesus criticised the pharisees for looking at scripture but missing Him in reality, because they did not love God in their hearts.
A simple analysis says, without love we have nothing. So if I have love and you ask me to have something else, you must be wrong.
"I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts."
John 5:42
39 These are the Scriptures that testify about me,
40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
41 I do not accept praise from men,
42 but I know you.
John 5:39-42
Ironically Jesus said our hearts reflect our spiritual realities. If we have Jesus and faith living in us, we love our fellow brother and sisters in Christ, which means we encourage them rather than project they are lost without the living God. Where is your love my friend?
God bless you
It has no authority, only God Jesus and His Spirit do, do, like a GPS you can follow or not. The bible is not God unless you make it one as so many have, Idolatry.
Encourage, here you can have the living God, all I have said, it is you that insistenly denies Him,Love points people to Christ in whom is our salvation, not religion and books which have no life in them
So you have nothing but your speculation....... It is like a man on a beach picking up a shell and saying I have found it while a mountain stands in the background. I hope you are happy with your shell, God bless you
I wonder if people realise what is the greatness of our God.
I think we suffer from a lack of experience and very much limited by the worlds expectations.
There is a sense we are a flash and then gone, insignificant. You see names and memorials, but then you start to realise we spend most of our time just existing. And what we really care about, often it slips through our fingers.
That is why Jesus says the truth sets us free. Our lives are lived in emotional conclusions, whether real or imagined, we cope this way. We build our house of coping and being, and when the storms come, if we are rooted in Christ we will stand. Sin distorts our emotional conclusions and we reject that which is life and embrace that which is death. When we find a place of rest we get bored and would rather risk everything for the glory in the sun, except there is no sun and the risk fails, and we find things crushed around us.
Some say God is silent, He is not there, we are lost, God is dead, there is no hope, we can never change, heaven is just the delusion of cult leaders who exploit the needs people have. But God is faithful, and if we open up and learn the language of the heart and soul, we can find love and life in Him.
Why is it music speaks to us? Because it takes the emotional conclusion of the moment and shifts it to another place. And we find freedom when we learn to take our emotional conclusion in this world and bring Christs love and victory into our emotional conclusion now. There is nothing in this place of peace that cannot be achieved in His will. But for this to happen and be real you have to have faith in Him and know His love and the cross. Just pretending means nothing. The emotional conclusion of sin is we are justified to do evil to others, while the emotional conclusion of repentance is others are worthy of love and respect.
In a world of faith that says amen to sin, one is sowing the emotional conclusion Jesus and the cross will never heal you or change you.
If you say amen to repentance and the cross, this emotional conclusion can begin to change you and bring His grace to work miracles of healing, Amen, Halleluyah. God is faithful, the cross never stops its power to heal, if you only begin to believe.
I think we suffer from a lack of experience and very much limited by the worlds expectations.
There is a sense we are a flash and then gone, insignificant. You see names and memorials, but then you start to realise we spend most of our time just existing. And what we really care about, often it slips through our fingers.
That is why Jesus says the truth sets us free. Our lives are lived in emotional conclusions, whether real or imagined, we cope this way. We build our house of coping and being, and when the storms come, if we are rooted in Christ we will stand. Sin distorts our emotional conclusions and we reject that which is life and embrace that which is death. When we find a place of rest we get bored and would rather risk everything for the glory in the sun, except there is no sun and the risk fails, and we find things crushed around us.
Some say God is silent, He is not there, we are lost, God is dead, there is no hope, we can never change, heaven is just the delusion of cult leaders who exploit the needs people have. But God is faithful, and if we open up and learn the language of the heart and soul, we can find love and life in Him.
Why is it music speaks to us? Because it takes the emotional conclusion of the moment and shifts it to another place. And we find freedom when we learn to take our emotional conclusion in this world and bring Christs love and victory into our emotional conclusion now. There is nothing in this place of peace that cannot be achieved in His will. But for this to happen and be real you have to have faith in Him and know His love and the cross. Just pretending means nothing. The emotional conclusion of sin is we are justified to do evil to others, while the emotional conclusion of repentance is others are worthy of love and respect.
In a world of faith that says amen to sin, one is sowing the emotional conclusion Jesus and the cross will never heal you or change you.
If you say amen to repentance and the cross, this emotional conclusion can begin to change you and bring His grace to work miracles of healing, Amen, Halleluyah. God is faithful, the cross never stops its power to heal, if you only begin to believe.
Indeed, there a difference between what men wrote down and what God spoke. Because the Bible records things from that time, many people mix up the two. They are using their carnal minds to make their determination and for that reason it is in error.
Jesus is the Word of God. Jesus is not my Bible or yours or any other Bible.
Remember when the people were leaving Jesus because they could not accept his words? Too strong for them! Too deep for them!
He was the Word of God:
"From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life." John 6:66-68
So according to you, God is pure speculation so your Faith is worthless, its about time it was pointed out.
I have told you of experience and you have denied it..
I even told you that God speaks, but as you have proven few have ears willing to hear.
Like you said noting left to discuss, you put God in your box like so many and wont let Him out and so made Him The "I AM" impotent.
If what I have is worthless to you that's your choice. Jesus's worth is in the heart of each individual. Emotional and spiritual reality are the fruit of God's word.
What touches my heart is God listening to my prayers and touching my heart. God's word is alive, and the Holy Spirit very careful. Out of God's word comes out walk. It is clear to me if God's actions on the cross do nothing, then it is all just a puzzle with no power.
Ofcourse to those who do not bow in repentance, love and praise, this is all strange. I cannot bring reality home to them, but they can seek the Lord and He is faithful to answer, amen
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Let me recap a little. Gods word, scripture is not Gods word and has no authority. What does have authority is the experience in mjrhealth's revelation experience. The problem is this experience cannot be articulated or shared so that others might gain from it. It appears the point is to have a similar experience from God oneself. But to clarify, am I to say to God, "God give me the same experience you gave to mjrhealth"
Now to clarify, there are members who are wanting me to have their experience and it is this experience that changes everything. The difficulty is they are different experiences with different outcomes, but the same God being included. So what am I to make of this?
I read scripture, and it is meeting Jesus and the cross that changes us, with an open heart. Jesus put it like this
23 Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him."
John 14:23
The way we discover the realities of Jesus is putting His commands into action. It is profound that action is the foundation of the Kingdom. Our search for solutions is because we know our lives do not function and we are lost alone in the world. But a light shines from Jesus and His words and actions, which we feel but do not understand. It is a real reality, until we are changed and walk in His ways it is just a light afar off from a foreign land. But in Jesus the light dawns, our hearts open and it starts to become real. I know this world of darkness and restraint, of emptiness and need. But now I have a world of light and freedom, grace and truth, not boasting but declaring the wonders of what Jesus can do if we listen, obey and walk.
God bless you God is faithful, before whom I bow and honour His name, forever, Amen.
@FollowHim So you are trying to get me to disbelieve in the reality of the living Word, Jesus Christ, or God, who is the God of the living and the dead.
My friend, I have no clue literally about your experience. All I can share is about the reality of scripture, Jesus in my life and how I have discovered Christ alive in me.
I am convinced many experiences people have are very real, but what they do with them or what it actually means is within their grasp.
One brother took Gods love and acceptance as a pretext to condemn all bible believing christians who desire to follow Jesus.
God does not dictate our reactions, they are ours to deal with. God is so faithful He answers, even when the outcome can be detrimental to the individual. A parent can give a child something because they demand it, even though the parent knows they will probably hurt themselves. It is also why I wonder why people seek these experiences rather than the reality as laid out in Gods word. Relationships work on knowing each other, not the celebrity highs along the way. God bless you
Dont you mean the reality of the Living Jesus, as for seeking experiences I never asked they where given, His will His decision not mine as it is for most who believe.
Like He said . they worship with their lips but there hearts are far from Me.
As my X put it when she left me. you a good father, good husband and I love you, I just dont want to be with you any more. That is what you are doing to Jesus.
He can teach you a lot through lifes circumstance.
God bless
Imagine someone coming to me and saying "I have in this box the most amazing thing in the world in this box, it will turn everything else in comparison into being irrelevant." They open the box and its empty. If one cannot deliver details then the best build up in the world is irrelevant. And I listen to anybody, because I believe in the honesty of experience that people have, not the truth of the experience.
LSD creates in people convictions about things that are simply wrong. Their emotions and thought processes gets mixed up so a conviction about that you can fly is the same as you can walk. If they act on these convictions they die. The experience is real, but the reality is just a dysfunctional experience. Others, wake up in the morning with a conviction about the nature of a scientific relationship, and they discover they were right. Now the difference between the two is testing the revelation with the real world.
This is why some say Jesus could not have risen from the dead. Except Jesus made sure his friends knew him and saw in Lazarus what rising someone from the dead looks like. Each step of the way, with people like Thomas was to show nothing was fake, it was all real. So revelation and authority must never be taken lightly or Gods word dismissed like it is nothing. God bless you
Are you saying then that @mjrhealth has an empty box but the box of @FollowHim is full of the good things of God? I don't know you, but I've known mjr for several years on forums. You are wrong about him.
Is God limited to talking to a person or moving with a person in only one way? That is what some on this forum and many in other places calling themselves Christian insist is the case. God spoke to Elijah in a still small voice, but I suspect he has also spoken to people through winds and earthquakes and fire even He wasn't in them for Elijah. He has likely spoken to people in other ways, which we cannot imagine. When you limit @mjrhealth don't you also thereby limit God... unless of course you are able to read all of mjr's heart?
The box I am referring to is the revelation we all carry. mjrhealth is saying he has this revelation experience which defines his view of God and has through this thread told me the authority of scripture is not relevant. I have asked him for clarity about the content of this revelation, which he refuses to provide, an empty box, which he claims I should rely on to overthrow the revelation of scripture.
My revelation is founded on Jesus and the cross, testified to by scripture and the reality in my life.
So I think you are miss-understanding the debate between the two of us. I am amused that his argument is founded only on his personal revelation experience and overthrows scripture. And I am not limiting God to speak to anyone, I am merely asking what is this revelation being talked about, and the answer is continually being left empty.
So please my friend, tell me where I am going wrong. I cannot be criticised for saying revelation with no content is no revelation at all.
God bless you
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