If you don't Believe and like Prosperity you won't like Heaven.

[FollowHim]

I have never heard any of those stories...were they giving the established 10%?

Mal 3:8, Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Mal 3:9, Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
Mal 3:10, Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Mal 3:11, And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal 3:12, And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts.

Look up trinity Foundation who have taken on the prosperity gospel crooks.

The quick summary is the poor hear the wishing well in desperation throw in their last amounts before everything collapses. This is the common theme, broadcast on cable to the poor.
God bless you

 

[Giuliano]

It was God that choose to make and make Soloman the richest man to ever live. Soloman asked for wisdom not wealth but God choose to make Soloman the richest man ever as a blessing and gift not as a curse!

`Then with all that money, he could afford 700 wives and 300 concubines. What did Solomon learn? Let him speak for himself. Somehow I think he knew this from direct experience!

Proverbs 15:16 Better is little with the fear of the LORD than great treasure and trouble therewith.
17 Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith.

 

[FollowHim]

For investigation into prosperity gospel wishing well preachers

https://trinityfi.org/

The above organisation has been investigating prosperity preachers and their techniques since 1972.
The truth is the prosperity gospel has refined the addiction of wishing well appeals to a degree they can make millions or billions on the back of the poor and needy. It is the poor who are most desperate for the next hope, and often unable to see the crooks and frauds who preach this stuff because they look and sound so nice and good.

As some have discovered for those who give it is like an addiction that the wishing well will deliver finally and everything will change. It is a version of religion, of doing something to obtain merit or reward, except ironically these folk will also believe they are saved and secure in Christ, but they need this extra bit of money, which God will give them if they just give a much smaller amount to Him. And the giving to the Lord is actually to the preacher not the Lord and the preacher has zero accountability to what he does with the money, and you can 100% know he spends it on himself.........talk about greed and self indulgence.

One simple way to stop this preaching is to show verifiable proof that people do get back more than they give. Because this is the claim, because this is not giving to God, it is giving to get back, pure and simple, greed in a way, a pyramid selling scheme mindset, invest in this approach and you will get rich.

This almost happened in 1994 in the US but it got blocked in the senate. I wonder why. Look who is the spiritual adviser to Trump and you will see who is controlling the reigns of influence........ God help a nation who thinks prosperity gospel preachers will bring anything but judgement on a nation.......

 

[Enoch111]

If you don't Believe and like Prosperity you won't like Heaven.

The Prosperity Gospel preachers sure have you fooled. Why don't you write to Jesse and ask him to send you a check for $100,000? Tell him you believe in prosperity, and he is the one who will make you prosperous. See what he has to say.

 

[bbyrd009]

2 Corinthians 9:6 and its immediate context. The immediate context makes it to be referring to a financial seed

he said with complete confidence look jbf do you really want me to go read that passage lol prolly not.
But bam give generously, im not saying dont. And i guess i am not qualified to define "service to the saints" anyway, but sure seems to me Paul was talking about poor people, not rich people with jets and whatnot, humongous mansions, and their own names on Bibles, "The Kenneth Copeland Bible" yikes

In order to make it be talking about the seed of the word of God, you have to utilize a 1 Corinthians 2:13 (kjv) hermeneutic and compare it to Luke 8:11.

man, if you believe giving money to rich ppl fulfills the seed principle then go for it imo; but ive been there myself and i tell you the lessen is not pleasant ok. My mom should be like a billionaire by now by that reasoning lol

That is what the scripture basically says in 2 Corinthians 5:8.

lol, think so huh. So and would rather be now = "to be?" okfine

I do believe that it is referring to those who are in Christ and not to those who are not in Christ.

and honestly speaking what is most believers test for that, jbf, if those deemed "in Christ" are proven to be rich misers who hide their financials and fly jets around begging poor ppl for "seed?" Where is poor ppl giving money to rich ppl discussed in Scripture?

You are cock-sure, i say, and even wish that you were already dead, jbf, but Christ came that we might have life, more abundantly right? How much more black could white get, i wonder. And fwiw this always seems to be accompanied by overwhelming confidence, like that seen by...well, certain acid trippers comes to mind, guess that wont work, but those are the ones always curled up in a little ball crying after the peak wears off, and they realize they cant fly after all

but hey when one of yall strikes it rich you can come and tell us about it i guess eh, and we'll see

Context never nullifies the plain meaning of a verse. This is a first rule of hermeneutics.

ok if you sayso, but sure seems like i recall Apostles discussing bread too ok, guess they were fans of ol' Hermen too huh. Pretty sure Hermen is a lawyer lol
Have a good one jbf

 

[bbyrd009]

None of us would have any argument against the truth that Good does bless those that give. And the more we give, the more God blesses and gives more that we can give more. That is the very purpose of God's gifts... That we may supply the needs of others. The whole of creation was designed that every facet of creation supplies the needs of another. We are all, by purpose, dependant upon something else or someone else for our well being. Even in the natural world, plants, animals, birds, insects, supply the needs for another.
But the prosperity preachers do not preach that message. The focus is not on giving from a heart of love in order to supply the needs of those less fortunate, as that usage in 2 Corinthians expressed. The prosperity preachers are just that... And you and @GISMYS_7 are doing the same... Give so that you can be rich. It is selfish, and the motive is all wrong. They preach that the purpose of giving is to become wealthy. It isn't. It's to supply others needs.

ha but that aint even tax deductible right lol

i tell you that when you give to a tax deductible charity, the deduction is surely your entire reward, plus imo you got a mark on your hand now

 

[GISMYS_7]

The Prosperity Gospel preachers sure have you fooled. Why don't you write to Jesse and ask him to send you a check for $100,000? Tell him you believe in prosperity, and he is the one who will make you prosperous. See what he has to say.

Yes!! I have helped Jesse with thousands of $$$$$ to preach God's Word to the lost and I am blessed beyond my dreams today!!! PL. ==And you?? i

 

[bbyrd009]

ha a lost guy preaching to the lost lol, priceless

there is no arguing with stupid....

tbh past a certain very limited point i wouldnt be trying to sway anyone into "lining up" in some file and row to do ezackly what i do anyway; whats wrong with diversity there? Believers wanna give money to rich ppl i say let em, and i am one directly suffering from that practice, in my parents.

 

[Giuliano]

 

[justbyfaith]

Look up trinity Foundation who have taken on the prosperity gospel crooks.

The quick summary is the poor hear the wishing well in desperation throw in their last amounts before everything collapses. This is the common theme, broadcast on cable to the poor.
God bless you

Did these people, who had everything collapse, give everything they had as a last resort in the hopes that God would immediately bring a return?

Or, did they consistently give their tithes in obedience to God, not expecting anything in return; but believing in His promise of Philippians 4:19?

I believe that in Ecclesiastes 11:1 it says that if you cast your bread upon the waters, you will find it again after many days.

So it would be unrealistic even according to the word of the Lord, to think that you can somehow get rich quick by giving all of your money to a radio or tv preacher.

That is not what I am preaching anyway.

What I am preaching, in the present moment, is that consistent obedience to the Lord in giving tithes and offerings will result in a blessing that you will not have room enough to receive it; whether that blessing be financial or spiritual (see Ephesians 1:3) or both. For this is what is written in Malachi. It is the only place in the Bible where the Lord says to test Him on something (other than in Isaiah 7:11-12).

 

[LC627]

You are free to reject gifts and blessings from God and you can stay sick and poor!! Your choice!

It would be interesting to see your standard of living. Please inform the forum when you live in a mansion. And, if you're not already living in one then why are you blocking God's blessing? Lol.

 

[justbyfaith]

It would be interesting to see your standard of living. Please inform the forum when you live in a mansion. And, if you're not already living in one then why are you blocking God's blessing? Lol.

It's been said that we're already there...

 

[bbyrd009]

Did these people, who had everything collapse, give everything they had as a last resort in the hopes that God would immediately bring a return?

Or, did they consistently give their tithes in obedience to God, not expecting anything in return; but believing in His promise of Philippians 4:19?

I believe that in Ecclesiastes 11:1 it says that if you cast your bread upon the waters, you will find it again after many days.

So it would be unrealistic even according to the word of the Lord, to think that you can somehow get rich quick by giving all of your money to a radio or tv preacher.

That is not what I am preaching anyway.

What I am preaching, in the present moment, is that consistent obedience to the Lord in giving tithes and offerings will result in a blessing that you will not have room enough to receive it; whether that blessing be financial or spiritual (see Ephesians 1:3). For this is what is written in Malachi. It is the only place in the Bible where the Lord says to test Him on something (other than in Isaiah 7:11-12).

meh, long as one is not giving to an inc i would agree; but i guess princes walk and fools ride regardless

 

[justbyfaith]

meh, long as one is not giving to an inc i would agree; but i guess princes walk and fools ride regardless

I believe that you are referring to Ecclesiastes 10:6-7.

Yes, the princes are the ones who give into the work of the ministry (see Proverbs 13:7); and unfortunately, all too often people who misuse the tithes and offerings of God's people are the ones who ride.

You know, these things were prophesied about in 2 Peter 2:1-3.

Knowing these things before, do we neglect our duty to give towards the propagating of the gospel?

I believe that God holds each man accountable to his own faithfulness.

 

[Josho]

Yes!! I have helped Jesse with thousands of $$$$$ to preach God's Word to the lost and I am blessed beyond my dreams today!!! PL. ==And you?? i

Well that's great to hear, I thought you were doing well financially and had a testimony to tell of God's blessing in your life.

So when did this all start for you?

 

[RainAndIceCream]

I do not think any Christian should take the likes of Duplantis, Copeland, Osteen, at their word when daring to think to tell Christians what they won't like about Heaven if we don't follow their heresies.

We have to remember that materialism, being a servant for gain or riches, is the domain of the worldly, or, Satan. Remember how Satan tempted Emmanuel Christ when he was in the Desert? Satan saying to Christ, "If you....I will...." The Temptation of Jesus - Bible Story, Verses and Meaning

That's the doctrine of prosperity. The worldly news from Satan himself. And how do we know this? Really? You know this without a doubt when the PG, or any Doctrine for that matter, is the example of any one of the 7 deadly sins.

The Prosperity Gospel is that.

1. Lust
2. Gluttony
3. Greed
4. Sloth
5. Wrath
6. Envy
7. Pride

Prosperity Gospel speakers won't like Hell much.

 

[GISMYS_7]

I do not think any Christian should take the likes of Duplantis, Copeland, Osteen, at their word when daring to think to tell Christians what they won't like about Heaven if we don't follow their heresies.

We have to remember that materialism, being a servant for gain or riches, is the domain of the worldly, or, Satan. Remember how Satan tempted Emmanuel Christ when he was in the Desert? Satan saying to Christ, "If you....I will...." The Temptation of Jesus - Bible Story, Verses and Meaning

That's the doctrine of prosperity. The worldly news from Satan himself. And how do we know this? Really? You know this without a doubt when the PG, or any Doctrine for that matter, is the example of any one of the 7 deadly sins.

The Prosperity Gospel is that.

1. 
   
   
   • Lust
   • Gluttony
   • Greed
   • Sloth
   • Wrath
   • Envy
   • Pride

Prosperity Gospel speakers won't like Hell much.

"""Above all"" 3John 1:2 Beloved, I wish """above all things """that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

 

[Josho]

I do not think any Christian should take the likes of Duplantis, Copeland, Osteen, at their word when daring to think to tell Christians what they won't like about Heaven if we don't follow their heresies.

We have to remember that materialism, being a servant for gain or riches, is the domain of the worldly, or, Satan. Remember how Satan tempted Emmanuel Christ when he was in the Desert? Satan saying to Christ, "If you....I will...." The Temptation of Jesus - Bible Story, Verses and Meaning

That's the doctrine of prosperity. The worldly news from Satan himself. And how do we know this? Really? You know this without a doubt when the PG, or any Doctrine for that matter, is the example of any one of the 7 deadly sins.

The Prosperity Gospel is that.

1. 
   
   
   • Lust
   • Gluttony
   • Greed
   • Sloth
   • Wrath
   • Envy
   • Pride

Prosperity Gospel speakers won't like Hell much.

It's not wrong for one to be prosperous.

Abraham was blessed greatly, Joseph was too.

There is nothing wrong with blessing others and being blessed.

 

[justbyfaith]

We have to remember that materialism, being a servant for gain or riches, is the domain of the worldly, or, Satan.

Remember also that Jesus said that in His Father's house are many mansions. If it were not so, He would have told us.

He is not saying by that, that there are many religions in God's kingdom.

Because in the immediate context of that statement we find Him speaking forth the reality of John 14:6.

 

[LC627]

Yes!! I have helped Jesse with thousands of $$$$$ to preach God's Word to the lost and I am blessed beyond my dreams today!!! PL. ==And you?? i

What you helped him with was the payment towards his jets and lavish lifestyle.

Prosperity preaching only helps those who receive the money - the "preacher".

The issue with this type of false theology is that "blessings" are measured by material items. Which is far from what Jesus states:

Matthew 6:19-21 - Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Also note the Parable of the rich fool.