CharismaticLady
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You assume we commit sin. But those who have the Spirit of God do not commit sin, because only the carnal nature sins, and we are not in the carnal nature but the Spirit. Romans 8:2 and 9.
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You assume we commit sin. But those who have the Spirit of God do not commit sin, because only the carnal nature sins, and we are not in the carnal nature but the Spirit. Romans 8:2 and 9.
Behold
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Good.
Resting in the Grace of God which is to have constant PEACE with God = allows the consciousness of sin to leave.
Sin consciousness causes 2 things... to want to sin, and to feel condemned...and both of these work like a hand and glove to empower the flesh..
"as a man thinketh, so is he"..
If your mind has no sin in it, you wont sinning.
If your mind has no guilt and condemnation in it, because sin consciousness working in tandem with the Law is GONE from you, then you are at peace.
To be in THAT place, is to have the "mind of Christ" and to be "Walking in the Spirit".
Behold
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You didn't read the entire chapter that Paul is writing.
READ MORE.
If you will finish all that he is explaining, you'll read that Paul eventually says that Christ ALWAYS gives Him the VICTORY over sinning.
So, you wrote a part of what Paul said, but you left out the context, Justbyfaith.
He is teaching something, and you didn't find it yet.
He is showing you, that, when he tried to stop sinning by WILL, he found a law that became a dominion over him, and the more he tried to stop sinning, the more the LAW made him want to sin more. = The POWER OF SIN IS THE LAW.
So, that is what he teaches FIRST, and you stopped there, and didn't study out the rest.
You must be stuck in someone's commentary....as that is why this happens to people.
READ THE REST.
Paul then teaches how you get the victory over sinning, and end up with the VICTORY.
Once you see this, you'll then recognize what im teaching here...
It is rendered dead but not eradicated from your system; while it is *as good as* eradicated in that 1 John 3:9 becomes the reality because it is rendered dead.
It is repeated in the NT and that for a reason: because it helps us to understand NT theology. It does in fact preach NT theology.
I actually have the victory over sin with the knowledge that sometimes I would sin but that the Holy Spirit restrains me from doing so.
There are times in all of our lives when we are tempted to do wrong; and this temptation comes from our own desire (James 1:14-16).
1Co 10:12, Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
1Co 10:13, There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
CharismaticLady
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I can agree with that, but pray for J, because he is so focused on having a sin nature like Paul, it seems he's bragging about it. He may not have heard the truth of "as a man thinketh, so is he."
Behold
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I have not said that..
I dont teach that Christians can sin. I teach that they can commit "works of the flesh", or as i define it, "carnal moments"....
However most believers think they can sin, and they have been taught they are "saved sinners", and nothing more.
So, as that is what they say, then i talk to them about that, yet, i dont agree that they sin...
I teach that there is no sin "in Christ".
I teach that "as Jesus is, so are the born again IN THIS WORLD".
I teach that if you have sin, then you are not saved., as a born again believer has God's Righteousness and Jesus has our sin.
I think ive written to you 2-3 times that Romans 4:8 says that God does not charge a believer with "Sin".
So, no, i dont teach that the born again have sin, or are in sin.
Sin is a TITLE for "iniquity" that is provided by the dominion of the Law. And if you are not under the law, then your carnal deeds are not "sin"... they are just "works of the flesh".
But most here THINK they are sinning, most are confessing and repenting what isn't THERE.
This is why i have many Threads here and on many Christian Forums that try to help them out of this wrong believing.
CharismaticLady
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It is in Paul's teaching on the LAW, where sin was only covered. Note the verse even says "covered."
Behold
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Unless you are an unbeliever you would not have any "sin".
What you are talking about is a "work of the flesh".
"sin" is defined by the dominion of the law.
We are not under the law, so, our carnal deeds are works of the flesh.
We are not "saved sinners". We are not saved so that we can then sin and repent.
We are SAINTS, born again as the righteousness of God in Christ.
There is no sin "in Christ", and the born again are "In Christ".
If a person has sin, they are an unbeliever.
A Christian only has CHRIST in Them, and this fact of Salvation produces a constant redemption from "sin".
Works of the flesh are what I would identify as sins; and we shall just leave it at that.
Behold
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He needs to read Philippians 4, where Paul says that He himself was "blameless in the law".....Paul kept the law....and said that this is junk.
Its junk because there is no RIGHTEOUSNESS in it. Its just WORKS.
So, Paul said all his lawkeeping is "dung".
He is comparing his self effort to the sinless Christ, and that is the word he used for it.
Ok, i will agree with your prayer for J.
"if any 2 agree" as touching, anything on earth, it shall be done."
I agree with you, that they would SEE the Light.
amen
CharismaticLady
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Renaming sin a work of the flesh is still sin. 1 John 3:5 means those in Christ do not have the desire to sin; it doesn't mean we can do works of the flesh, such as adultery, and Jesus takes it immediately and it is not charged to us. That is false.
Old Testament verse:
7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”
The blood of bulls and goats just covered sin. Jesus takes it away.
CharismaticLady
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Grace doesn't cover sin, it prevents it. Grace is the power of God indwelling us.
Behold
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Agree with Paul.
He is the one who says that iniquity committed under the law, is sin, and these same when committed after you are saved "not under the law", are just works of the Flesh.
Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the WORKS OF THE FLESH.. are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings,
not "sin".
I believe that you are misrepresenting me.
Go back and quote the post where I used the word "self-effort" and put my words in context.
I do not believe in any sense that I am saved by my own self-effort.
I believe that Christ sustains us when we place our faith in Him, by our faith.
I have contended often and in no uncertain terms against people who were attempting to promote a "salvation by works" theology.
Behold
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Im not renaming it.
Im explaining why iniquity is defined as sin, BECAUSE a person is under the dominion of the law.
The law has authority to define these deeds as sin, and the person as a sinner.
GRACE, is the law now, for the Born again.
"you are not UNDER the law, you are UNDER Grace".
"UNDER".
"UNDER"
So, GRACE is now the dominion and the authority for the born again = having replaced the dominion of the law.
Grace re-defines the person as "new creation in Christ">..... not a "saved sinnner".
Grace re-defines the carnal deeds as works of the flesh, not as SIN.
That what Paul teaches. So that is what i teach.
Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh... are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings,
All of these things listed are sins that also stem out of the sin nature.
You are not going to be able to tell me otherwise, and have me believe that you are even credible in your statements.
Behold
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CharismaticLady
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@Behold and @justbyfaith
I have a little tummy ache, so talk to you later.
J, just one thing. Please focus on being NOT in the flesh, instead of focusing so much on your being a sinner, as if you actively sin which you don't. As I said, Jesus took away your desire to sin, and gave you a new nature, and it is a slap in His face, to tell everyone that He didn't.
I have a little tummy ache, so talk to you later.
J, just one thing. Please focus on being NOT in the flesh, instead of focusing so much on your being a sinner, as if you actively sin which you don't. As I said, Jesus took away your desire to sin, and gave you a new nature, and it is a slap in His face, to tell everyone that He didn't.
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