What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

[Jane_Doe22]

Please don't lie about what I have said. This is a serious offense to me. God will be the judge about who is being offensive here.

You said:

I do not believe that Mormonism is part of Christianity

That is flat out saying that I and every other LDS person is not in Christ, not saved.

I have never said that an individual Mormon could not be a Christian or could not be saved.[

This completely contradicts your previous statement.

A Christian is disciple of Christ. A saved person.

Go ahead! Read the whole thread. You will NOT find me saying of inferring that Jane is not a Christian.

You just flat out stated it! And on this very page you also called me a cultist!

 

[Grailhunter]

You know that I believe that God has been active since the Bible was written and canonized! This is not the issue.
You believe God has been active as long as it goes along with how you understand the Bible and what you believe. God has been active with so many people over the centuries and the information he gave them may be additional information, maybe different, maybe corrections, that is their belief.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

That is flat out saying that I and every other LDS person is not in Christ, not saved.

Nope! You're the one who is going too far in your inference. And I'm not addressing every LDS person. I'm talking to you, and I hope and pray that you do know Jesus Christ as your Savior, but I cannot say that you do or that you don't. We have already had this discussion in this thread. I don't think we need to rehash this.

 

[Grailhunter]

Go ahead! Read the whole thread. You will NOT find me saying of inferring that Jane is not a Christian.

What you said, what others have said...directly or indirectly or insinuations. It is in the tread.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

You know that I believe that God has been active since the Bible was written and canonized! This is not the issue.
You believe God has been active as long as it goes along with how you understand the Bible and what you believe. God has been active with so many people over the centuries and the information he gave them may be additional information, maybe different, maybe corrections, that is their belief.

Why would God inspire men to write things that He knew He was going to contradict later??? The truth is that He didn't. Man has come up with his own falsehoods, twisting the truth. Jesus said there would be MANY false prophets. Joseph Smith was one of them.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

What you said, what others have said...directly or indirectly or insinuations. It is in the tread.

We're talking about what I have said. Quote me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jane_Doe22]

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[Jane_Doe22]

Nope! You're the one who is going too far in your inference. And I'm not addressing every LDS person. I'm talking to you, and I hope and pray that you do know Jesus Christ as your Savior, but I cannot say that you do or that you don't. We have already had this discussion in this thread. I don't think we need to rehash this.

You call me "outside of Christianity".... that's you making the call that I'm not a Christian and unsaved.
No getting around it.

I'm a person whom has Christ as the very center of her world. Your words-- they are wrong. It's not something I can just let you do and just go along like I don't love Christ! Such is ... a downright replusive thought. I love Christ. I'm not going to deny that through action or inaction in any way.

 

[mjrhealth]

group stays within the confines of the Bible for doctrine or uses sources that contradict the Bible as the basis for doctrine.

There are plenty who use the bible corrupted as the basis for there religions and false teachings so please dont go down that path.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

@Prayer Warrior , if you were to say "Mormons have beliefs I disagree with and find unbiblical", I would have zero problem with that. In fact, I defend your right to hold that opinion. Obviously I disagree with that opinion of yours, but I do amendmently defend your right to hold it. I too personally could say "____ have beliefs I disagree with and find unbiblical" of many groups.

But blanket statements saying that "___ is a cult" or "___ are outside of Christianity": those statements I have major problems with. No matter who they are directed at.

 

[justbyfaith]

Except Deuteronomy says practically the same thing.

I need an exact quote. Because I'm certain that in Deuteronomy it says nothing about plagues or having your name removed from the book of life.

The problem you have is that you believe that someone here can define the religion. My term is Christian, if they believe in Christ and believe that the belief in Christ saves.

If they believe in a different Jesus than the Jesus of the Bible, they would be defined as pseudo-Christian (see 2 Corinthians 11:3-4).

You will NOT find me saying of inferring that Jane is not a Christian.

I'll say it right now...that mormons are not real Christians!

I'm a person whom has Christ as the very center of her world.

Sorry, but you have the wrong Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:3-4).

But blanket statements saying that "___ is a cult" or "___ are outside of Christianity":

Mormonism has been defined as a cult by the Christian Research Institute.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I need an exact quote. Because I'm certain that in Deuteronomy it says nothing about plagues or having your name removed from the book of life.

Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32, and Proverbs 30:6 all also forbid additons. But none of them mean "God is now going to stop talking forever".

If they believe in a different Jesus than the Jesus of the Bible, they would be defined as pseudo-Christian (see 2 Corinthians 11:3-4).

I'll say it right now...that mormons are not real Christians!

Sorry, but you have the wrong Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:3-4).

There's only one Jesus Christ, the everlasting Son of God. He created the world, was born a humble birth, lived a perfect life, suffered, died, and rose again. He is almighty and unchanging, and not defined by what any mortal thinks of Him. He is my King, my Lord, my Savior.

Mormonism has been defined as a cult by the Christian Research Institute.

...and?
Are they the King of Kings? Lord of Lords?
Cause that's whose opinion I care about.

 

[justbyfaith]

JBF How you doing?....be knowledgeable my friend, not silly. This is what happens if you do not study Christian history.

The statement in the book of Revelation is referring to the book of Revelation. A separate book. This book would not be selected for the canon for another two centuries. None of the books would be bound until around 350 AD and you will like this, the first bound Bibles were ordered and financed by Constantine...called the 50 Bibles of Constantine.

And you do not want to get me on the topic of what has been changed in every book of the New Testament, long before the Mormons.

What matters is that I hold in my hand a Bible that has as its last book, the book of Revelation...and that in its last verses it says that those who add to or take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, will have plagues added to them and/or have their names taken out of the book of life. The book being referred to is in fact the Bible...do you want to take a chance that it isn't? That it is only referring to the book of Revelation? Then go ahead and take that chance...don't say I didn't warn you on your day of judgment though.

I'm certain that the holy scriptures as I read them in the kjv are inspired and inerrant...and that to add to or take away from them would be something of a mortal sin.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

What matters is that I hold in my hand a Bible that has as its last book, the book of Revelation...and that in its last verses it says that those who add to or take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, will have plagues added to them and/or have their names taken out of the book of life. The book being referred to is in fact the Bible...do you want to take a chance that it isn't? That it is only referring to the book of Revelation? Then go ahead and take that chance...don't say I didn't warn you on your day of judgment though.

I'm certain that the holy scriptures as I read them in the kjv are inspired and inerrant...and that to add to or take away from them would be something of a mortal sin.

The Bible didn't exist until many decades after Revelation was written, and it's questionable whether it was even written last. And which books are included in the Bible have varied over time, even the KJV as the original 1611 version included 14 Apocrypha books.

Revelation 20 isn't a gag order saying "God will no longer speak". That makes zero sense! He is unchanging: the same yesterday, today, and forever.

 

[justbyfaith]

Deuteronomy 4:2,

Deu 4:2, Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32,

Deu 12:32, What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Proverbs 30:6

Pro 30:6, Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Nothing in any of those verses about having plagues added to you or having your name removed from the Book of Life...

But in Revelation 22:18-19, yes:

Rev 22:18, For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19, And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

There's only one Jesus Christ, the everlasting Son of God.

There is only one true Jesus Christ. Then there is the false jesus of mormonism...a different jesus, whom Paul warned that if someone came to us preaching him, we may well put up with it (2 Corinthians 11:3-4 (kjv)). Which is not to say that we should put up with it.

2Co 11:3, But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Co 11:4, For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

...and?
Are they the King of Kings? Lord of Lords?
Cause that's whose opinion I care about.

They are members of the true body of Christ, who is the King of kings and the Lord of lords. His hands, His feet, His tongue, etc.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Deu 4:2, Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.



Deu 12:32, What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.



Pro 30:6, Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Nothing in any of those verses about having plagues added to you or having your name removed from the Book of Life...

All forbidding men from adding to God's words in these sections. And yet, God did still add to His words and scripture did continue. God doesn't change.

There is only one true Jesus Christ. Then there is the false jesus of mormonism...a different jesus, whom Paul warned that if someone came to us preaching him, we may well put up with it (2 Corinthians 11:3-4). Which is not to say that we should put up with it.

Christ isn't defined by what a person thinks of Him. A babe in Christ with poor knowledge is just as saved as a decades-studied scholar.

Theology is super super important. But we aren't saved by our ability to ace a theology test.

They are members of the true body of Christ, who is the King of kings and the Lord of lords. His hands, His feet, His tongue, etc.

They are human men. Not the King of Kings.

You may find them to be true teachers, and I acknowledge your choice there. But I do not. My concern is the King of King's view alone.

 

[Grailhunter]

What matters is that I hold in my hand a Bible that has as its last book, the book of Revelation...and that in its last verses it says that those who add to or take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, will have plagues added to them and/or have their names taken out of the book of life. The book being referred to is in fact the Bible...do you want to take a chance that it isn't? That it is only referring to the book of Revelation? Then go ahead and take that chance...don't say I didn't warn you on your day of judgment though.

I'm certain that the holy scriptures as I read them in the kjv are inspired and inerrant...and that to add to or take away from them would be something of a mortal sin.

lol Truth is truth....the KJV is the most error ridden and tapered with bible in existence. And Christianity did not stop at the end of Revelation.

 

[justbyfaith]

lol Truth is truth....the KJV is the most error ridden and tapered with bible in existence. And Christianity did not stop at the end of Revelation.

We will have to agree to disagree. For I believe that we have a closed canon that closes with the Book of Revelation.

I feel bad for you...because your pov is going to place you smack dab in the center of hell.

Because the Bible is God's revelation to man; and to reject it as being error-ridden is to have at the center of your paradigm a God who can make mistakes. I wouldn't want to go where that is going to lead you.

 

[justbyfaith]

Revelation 20 isn't a gag order saying "God will no longer speak".

No; but Revelation 22:18-19 teaches us that God will not say anything new that is contrary to what is already written in the canon of holy scripture.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

No; but Revelation 22:18-19 teaches us that God will not say anything new that is contrary to what is already written in the canon of holy scripture.

You’re completely ignoring my point.
God does not change. No one of those places in the Bible say that he suddenly will change and stop talking.