'Death is swallowed up in victory' -When?

[Earburner]

but this particular post is discussing Death swallowed up in victory, When?

When?? I just told you!! Its in my line items #2 and #3.
But you can't hear it (or are in denial), due to you and many others, holding to a popular, false doctrine that I alluded to.
Though you have shown it, eventually you will speak of it.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Show me in the scriptures where it's written down where it says, "Jesus is God the Son of God." I can find many places where it is written down Jesus is the Son of God but not any place where it's written down. that says Jesus is God the Son of God

I do not have any time for Christianityboard now a days, but sometimes issues pop up which cannot be left unanswered. This one is short and easy, therefore I'll respond, I did not say The Scriptures say. I wrote: "I believe..." : my confession of the Faith of Jesus Christ the Son of God. Now if the Son of God isn't God the Son, you confess that; I would not know how nor would if I knew which I don't.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

I do not have any time for Christianityboard now a days, but sometimes issues pop up which cannot be left unanswered. This one is short and easy, therefore I'll respond, I did not say The Scriptures say. I wrote: "I believe..." : my confession of the Faith of Jesus Christ the Son of God. Now if the Son of God isn't God the Son, you confess that; I would not know how nor would if I knew which I don't.

You certainly have the right to believe what you choose to believe. I don't agree with what you believe. I haven't read a Scripture where Jesus claimed to be God. He claimed to be God Only Begotten Son, but he never claimed to be God. Now there are those who believe in the Trinity that will try to show me scriptures that they say show Jesus is God. However what is always consistent with those scriptures that trinitarians say show that Jesus is God is that they take them out of context to try to prove that those scriptures show Jesus to be God. I have never believed in taking scriptures out of context to prove your or my personal belief. It's too easy to be led astray when people take Scripture out of context.

 

[Earburner]

You certainly have the right to believe what you choose to believe. I don't agree with what you believe. I haven't read a Scripture where Jesus claimed to be God. He claimed to be God Only Begotten Son, but he never claimed to be God. Now there are those who believe in the Trinity that will try to show me scriptures that they say show Jesus is God. However what is always consistent with those scriptures that trinitarians say show that Jesus is God is that they take them out of context to try to prove that those scriptures show Jesus to be God. I have never believed in taking scriptures out of context to prove your or my personal belief. It's too easy to be led astray when people take Scripture out of context.

Hi Barney,
I supplied the answers for your "Trinity Dimlemma" numerous times, unfortunately you have neglected to respond with any kind of a reply. If therefore you have chosen not to reply, then all here can safely assume that you don't have a leg to stand on, and you know it.
So then, since I am hopeful that you just overlooked my "numerous" posts, I thought that I would re-post again, that which you over looked:
> "Am I teaching something different than you?
Lets see who it is that has departed from the scriptures.
Back to John 14[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Please explain how it is that the Holy Spirit, through John, chose to use personal pronouns in that verse!

Next question: Do you use "we" and/or "our", when you are talking about only yourself?
If God the Father, or Jesus was only talking about Himself, don't you think that the holy Spirit would have said it as singular pronouns?

Lets try that out, with the (proposed changes):
John 14[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and
(I or He) will come unto him, and make
(my or His) abode with him.

Now, is that more to your liking?
If so, then find all the Bibles that you can, and CHANGE THEM!

Sorry, you can't have mine!" <

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I haven't read a Scripture where Jesus claimed to be God.

You have not read God's Word in his Written Word; you are reading your own hallucinations instead. You read with eyes and understanding that will not see nor understand what believe, because it obviously has been given you NOT to see, NOT to understand and NOT to BELIEVE. I might just as well try reason with an atheist and I do not reason with atheists.

You FEAR that Jesus might be God, you labour at your anxiety, you will defend your conviction Jesus the Man of Nazareth IS NOT GOD with your life. What has the fear of darkness to do with the peace and joy of The Light and Lord of Light the Son of God given us whose Name is the Almighty God, the Prince of Peace the Everlasting Father?!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

You certainly have the right to believe what you choose to believe.

Thanks for your courteous permission which I forthwith spurn with due contempt.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

what is always consistent with those scriptures that trinitarians say show that Jesus is God is that they take them out of context to try to prove that those scriptures show Jesus to be God. I have never believed in taking scriptures out of context to prove your or my personal belief. It's too easy to be led astray when people take Scripture out of context.

What are you doing? Are you now treating Scripture correct and in context? WHICH Scripture and WHICH context?! Amazing!

 

[Earburner]

What are you doing? Are you now treating Scripture correct and in context? WHICH Scripture and WHICH context?! Amazing!

First, he must change the personal pronouns of "we" and "our" in his JW-NWT, John 14:23. Once he does that, then he can deny the "Trinity", but only to his own tribe, for no one else will listen.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

All people have done when I say there's no scriptures written down where Jesus claims to be God, is that they give their personal opinion of me, which I care less about. What they haven't done is show a scripture in the Bible where Jesus claims to be God. The best they can do is give their interpretation of a Scripture. They can give whatever interpretation of a Scripture they want but I don't worship them or their interpretation of a Scripture. What they believe about that I don't really care. I'm not going to worship imperfect men or women and their interpretation of what they say the scriptures say.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

What are you doing? Are you now treating Scripture correct and in context? WHICH Scripture and WHICH context?! Amazing!

What you think of me because I said what I said isn't important to me. What you and others should do is simply agree to disagree. I'm not going to agree that the Trinity is in the scriptures just because other people say it is.

 

[Earburner]

Barney,
Really?? You should hear yourself!
I do suspect, that you being a "word worshipper", have become nuetralized and stumped, as to how you are going to get around the personal pronouns of John 14:23, and interject an impersonal pronoun in their place.

Your inability to reply to my numerous posts about John 14:23, speaks volumes.
The fact of the matter is, you have put yourself in that box called "Denial", and you don't know how to get out of it!

Though you would like to, you can't change God's words to suit your JW doctrines. Therefore, your ONLY recourse is to CHANGE your doctrine, or leave the JW belief system, and accept the truth of John 14:23, as it is stated in all the Bibles, yours included!
And what is that? Simply this, God the Father and God the Son ("we", "our") together, are the Holy Spirit.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Barney,
Really?? You should hear yourself!
I do suspect, that you being a "word worshipper", have become nuetralized and stumped, as to how you are going to get around the personal pronouns of John 14:23, and interject an impersonal pronoun in their place.

Your inability to reply to my numerous posts about John 14:23, speaks volumes.
The fact of the matter is, you have put yourself in that box called "Denial", and you don't know how to get out of it!

Though you would like to, you can't change God's words to suit your JW doctrines. Therefore, your ONLY recourse is to CHANGE your doctrine, or leave the JW belief system, and accept the truth of John 14:23, as it is stated in all the Bibles, yours included!
And what is that? Simply this, God the Father and God the Son ("we", "our") together, are the Holy Sp

Barney Bright, This Earcreepers' stings are getting swollen with venom. Beware.

 

[Earburner]

Barney Bright, This Earcreepers' stings are getting swollen with venom. Beware.

And when you have found out just exactly who it is that is "one pearl of great price", you also will be lifted out of the "ditch".
Matthew 13:45-46

 

[Earburner]

What you think of me because I said what I said isn't important to me. What you and others should do is simply agree to disagree. I'm not going to agree that the Trinity is in the scriptures just because other people say it is.

So, if everyone applied your reasoning to agree to disagree, how does He Who is the Spirit of Truth (Christ: I am the Truth) reside, indwell, live within each Christian having many different truths, when it is Jesus within you, who is THE Truth?

I recommend that one think on this:
Concerning all the churches and their many different doctrines,
"There can always be more than one lie, but there can never be more than one truth"- Earburner.

 

[Earburner]

1Cor. 14[26] How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, everyone of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation.
Let all things be done unto edifying.

 

[Earburner]

So Barney, how can anyone "edify" those who believe that the Holy Spirit of God is "an it", and not the Comforter, being THEY Who are the "we" and the "our", as is plainly spoken/written of in John 14:23?
Ans. Impossible! There can be no edification, to those who are in denial of that which is of "the common faith".

If then the JWs will not recant, then they are of an uncommon faith, and therefore preach "another gospel", which is to say another Jesus, who He Himself is the Gospel of God!

 

[Earburner]

I do suspect, that you being a "word worshipper", have become nuetralized and stumped, as to how you are going to get around the personal pronouns of John 14:23, and interject an impersonal pronoun in their place.

^As I said in the above copy, you are a
"word worshipper", which is to say that you worship the written literal words of the Bible. That is an uncommon belief, being contrary to the "common faith".
However, we who are Word worshippers, who do understand and accept the personal pronouns in John 14:23, do hold to and hold up the "common" doctrine that is declared in

 

[Earburner]

John 1[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

"There can always be more than one lie, but there can never be more than one truth"- Earburner.

Earcreeper's of course

 

[Earburner]

Earcreeper's of course

John 1[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 14[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

John 1[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.